Superdrol help

[Rocktown]

Ok guys, I had a buddy pass along a bottle of superdrol to me. He bought several befor the ban. It's forged sd-extreme by transform supplements. I thought it was a pretty simple cycle. It doesn't convert, so I figured I was good with cycle assist, orange triad multi, and fish oil. My only other exprerience is a cycle of epi (rpn havoc). I do have a good pct laid out. I've got that figured out from my epi. Thanks to this site. I've been on the sd 5 days today. This morning I thought I notices my right nipple being sensitive. But I kind of ignored it. I work construction there is a good chance that I hit it while we were moving our heavy gear and equipment yesterday. But gyno is my biggest fear. It still seems to be a little sore. I never had any itching or sensitivity. Just feels almost bruised. Is gyno even possible while on sd? And this early in the cycle? Or am I just getting carried away? If I do have a problem what do I do? Stop the cycle and start my nolva? By the way I am 29 and 220 lbs. I've been taking 20 mg of the sd. Thanks.

 

[ion26]

It's probably just in your head, but to stay on the side of safety take some erase on cycle. 1 to 2 caps per day.

 

[rphash49]

You may be getting carried away but any cycle can cause gyno symptoms. You can look into an on cycle Nolva+AI regimen so you can continue the cycle.

Sd doesn't aromatise but that is not the only way you can have an increase in estrogen lvls.

 

[rphash49]

IMO erase is very weak. Formeron/formastane would be the only otc AIs I would use on cycle and only to be pro-active. If i thought I had an issue I wouldnt fuk around with it and I'd hit it with aromasin + nolva.

See the gyno sticky. Good read on how to determine if you have an issue before jumping on a bunch of chemicals.

 

[Rocktown]

Thanks guys. It s probably in my head. I thought I had itchy nips with the havoc to, but everything was fine. So I can start my erase on cycle just to be safe?

 

[Rocktown]

Just saw you last post rphash. I'm looking for the sticky now.

 

[Rocktown]

I guess I'm Internet illiterate. How do you find a sticky on this forum?

 

[Rocktown]

Thanks. I think im ok. Except for being paranoid.

 

[ion26]

Thanks guys. It s probably in my head. I thought I had itchy nips with the havoc to, but everything was fine. So I can start my erase on cycle just to be safe?

Yeah 1-2 caps

 

[kaikara]

Itchy nips doesn't mean gyno. I wouldn't worry until you feel a lump forming. I get itchy nips on almost every cycle.

 

[Rocktown]

Itchy nips doesn't mean gyno. I wouldn't worry until you feel a lump forming. I get itchy nips on almost every cycle.

This is more like pain. Like a bruise of something. I'm going to let it ride for another day. If it doesn't go away I'm going to consider cutting this one short. At least for now. I might do some research on running it with an ai at the same time. Hopefully it won't come to that I was excited about getting my hands on this and running this cycle.

 

[rphash49]

This is more like pain. Like a bruise of something. I'm going to let it ride for another day. If it doesn't go away I'm going to consider cutting this one short. At least for now. I might do some research on running it with an ai at the same time. Hopefully it won't come to that I was excited about getting my hands on this and running this cycle.

Rather than stopping just order an AI from a domestic RC and you should have it in a few days if that makes you feel better. Don't let pain stop your run. No lump = no gyno in most cases.

 

[Rocktown]

I've got formexx black in hand. The local legend old school body builder that owns the local supplement store highly recommends this as an ai. DoYou think this would work or should I order something like letro?

 

[Rocktown]

Also I
Use smokeless tobacco. (I know not the best idea) I had quit for almost two years. I was not using it during my last cycle. I have read about tobacco raising estrogen levels, but I never really figures it was significant. Do you think this might be causing me trouble?

 

[flightposite]

i had to edit my post because i thought the sh1t was formestane but it says 4,17 diol. its probably not very bio-available when taken orally. vpx used to sell an injectable cypionate version that i tried. cant remember too much about it. i thought this stuff was banned. does anybody know for sure?
<img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=96758"/>

Lol! vpx sold injectables?!
I never knew that.

 

[jvought142]

Lots of people have the same symptoms as you when starting a cycle. 100% not gyno. Way too soon to be getting gyno. Don't worry it will go away. Just keep an eye on it. Ull be fine.

 

[Rocktown]

Ok. I thought everything was going away, then today I could swear I felt a lump. Is it possible to just carry on with the cycle and Ron my tamoxifen at the same time or I that crazy and I just need to stop the cycle. I'm 10!days in and already noticing some awesome strength gains, but its not worth growing boobs over either.

 

[Rocktown]

Ok. I thought everything was going away, then today I could swear I felt a lump. Is it possible to just carry on with the cycle and Run my tamoxifen at the same time or I that crazy and I just need to stop the cycle. I'm 10 days in and im already noticing some awesome strength gains, but its not worth growing boobs over either.

 

[Matthersby]

Ok. I thought everything was going away, then today I could swear I felt a lump. Is it possible to just carry on with the cycle and Run my tamoxifen at the same time or I that crazy and I just need to stop the cycle. I'm 10 days in and im already noticing some awesome strength gains, but its not worth growing boobs over either.

Seriously. Research. Chemicals. Letro. Order. Receive 2 days later. Low dose. Ramp up slowly. Easy.

 

[Rocktown]

Seriously. Research. Chemicals. Letro. Order. Receive 2 days later. Low dose. Ramp up slowly. Easy.

Good to hear from you matthersby. You helpe me a lot in my havoc cycle too. So run the letro and tamoxifen or just the letro? Any suggestions on dosage?

 

[Matthersby]

Good to hear from you matthersby. You helpe me a lot in my havoc cycle too. So run the letro and tamoxifen or just the letro? Any suggestions on dosage?

I'm not having a lot of luck with my letro. But I'd start at .5 ed. I don't every other day my rc liquids. Can't advise on nolva for gyno prevention but googling it will give you volumes of information as the 'nolva on cycle' folklore has been around for eons.

 

[Matthersby]

I'm not having a lot of luck with my letro. But I'd start at .5 ed. I don't every other day my rc liquids. Can't advise on nolva for gyno prevention but googling it will give you volumes of information as the 'nolva on cycle' folklore has been around for eons.

P.s. you're going to want some letro and nolva on hand for at least 3 months post cycle. SD snuck up on me a month after pct ended and I've been battling rebound gyno for 3 weeks.

 

[Matthersby]

its weird how sd does that sh1t. did it to me once and i've never had rebound before.

Me neither. I ran it 9 years ago at 40/day w no sides and a lousy nolva-only pct. I could barely manage 20mg at the end of this last SD/Test run.. Stuff is strong. Especially when yer gettin old like me.

 

[Matthersby]

yeah the first time i ran it at 30 and did nolva only with no problem. then last year i ran 20mg for 3 weeks and 3 weeks of nolva and got that crap like 3 or 4 weeks later. i know the nolva was good because it was the same bottle that i already had, and i can tell when i'm on nolva.
sd is too damn strong and i am too old for it. i'll be 42 this summer. time to give sd up lol. i'm just gonna run injs from now on probably, although i am liking the dbol fairly well. i dont feel like i have been poisoned like on sd or msten. now if i can just keep the gyno in check.

I've got some msten but I'm probably doing a low dose alongside inj. Same w SD 10 mg alongside other compounds. Its all way too unpleasant to be worth it. The appetite loss on a bulk is the worst part.

 

[Matthersby]

yeah the first time i ran it at 30 and did nolva only with no problem. then last year i ran 20mg for 3 weeks and 3 weeks of nolva and got that crap like 3 or 4 weeks later. i know the nolva was good because it was the same bottle that i already had, and i can tell when i'm on nolva.
sd is too damn strong and i am too old for it. i'll be 42 this summer. time to give sd up lol. i'm just gonna run injs from now on probably, although i am liking the dbol fairly well. i dont feel like i have been poisoned like on sd or msten. now if i can just keep the gyno in check.

Going to the p.o. to get my dbol and sust in 30 minutes! I'm stocked up for the next 18 months!

 

[Matthersby]

cool.
and i think you are correct. low dose methylsten or sd seems best. anything over 15mg of the msten and i cant eat right. and that sh1t shrinks my balls in a week lol. hard shutdown. its got to be more difficult to recover, the older you get.

Hey RH, I've got rx2.0. But I was considering just running 1 a day(10 msten, 10 DMZ) and adding a bit more DMZ. 15 or 30 mg more possibly. Whadya think?

 

[Matthersby]

yeah that sound good. since you already have the rx and its already got the dmz in it...10mg of the sten should be plenty if its stacked. the half life is long so once a day on it will probably do. i liked 15mg of the nanodrol. i haven't got around to trying the dmz yet though. you know, 1 rx and 1 dmz 12 hrs later is probably enough. i'd try that first. you know how strong that sh1t is, i bet you'll get some good gains man, if you can keep your appetite up, ykwim.

The secret to muscle never comes in a pill. It comes with food. And a lot of it. If I can't eat on it because toxicity is that bad, I don't give a fu<k what your product's ratio and rating are. I'd rather bulk on something mild with test and eat like a champion. My natural bulk before last SD run put on just as much weight as the cycle did, but I kept that at least, I lost every bit of what the test and SD gave me when I got sick as hell trying to stay at 30/day.

 

[Matthersby]

i'm the same way. every time i run one of these super strong ones, i overdo it and end up losing my appetite to where i feel sick. aint worth it. maybe with a low dose that can be avoided. 15mg of the nano was about right. i only ran it 3 weeks too. thats what is so good about epi. dont seem to be too toxic. i can even go 8 weeks on it without getting sick. triumphalis may be a winner. you haven't tried it have you?
oh yeah, your inbox is full.

Give me a min.

 

[Rocktown]

Ok I just don't think this compound is right for Me at this time. I stopped it today, put bottle back I'm the freezer, and started my tamoxifen. My letro should be here in a day or two. I think I'm going to run epi again and try the sd some other time. So my question is what do I need to do for pct after just 10 days on sd? Do I need to do a whole month of pct? How long after this pct do I need to wait to start havoc? I was really wanting to get a cycle in before pool weather got here.

 

[Rocktown]

Anyone got any advice for me?

 

[Matthersby]

Just start havoc now.

 

[Rocktown]

Just start havoc now.

Ok. If you insist. I really enjoyed my last epi cycle.

 

[kaikara]

Havoc theoretically would help with any gyno symptoms as well since it kills your estrogen (or something like that).

 

[Matthersby]

Ok. If you insist. I really enjoyed my last epi cycle.

Most enjoyable oral I know of. I've tried more than a few

 

[chris223]

Havoc theoretically would help with any gyno symptoms as well since it kills your estrogen (or something like that).

I wouldn't put too much stock in this idea.

 

[Rocktown]

I don't even know if I actually had gyno. All symptoms went away within 24 hours of stopping sd. I do feel better sense I stopped though.

 

[jbryand101b]

Fck epi.

All it did was make my lump bigger. And not the one between my legs.

Made me start my letro 3 weeks early.

 

[Matthersby]

epi never did sh1t for my gyno.
i'm giving up on trying to treat gyno with an ai. the last few days i've been getting raging gyno from dbol. been taking aromasin, but it keeps getting worse. last night, i took 40mg of nolva and it knocked the pain out in 1 day. even shrank the lumps. its nolva for me from now on.

Nolva-Letro. And just for good measure, p5p and L-dopa.

 

[jbryand101b]

epi never did sh1t for my gyno.
i'm giving up on trying to treat gyno with an ai. the last few days i've been getting raging gyno from dbol. been taking aromasin, but it keeps getting worse. last night, i took 40mg of nolva and it knocked the pain out in 1 day. even shrank the lumps. its nolva for me from now on.

Once you find what works, stick with it.

 

[Matthersby]

[jbryand101b;4366945"]Fck epi.

 

[Rocktown]

I don't know how epi does for gyno, I'm hoping I don't actually have it and that it is all in my mind. But I really enjoyed my epi cycle. I liked the "on" feeling I got from it and felt good the cycle. Had some good gains that I retained too. I've got high hopes for this sd. But I just wasn't feeling it this time. I will try it again later .

 

[Yolked]

Sensitive nips is not gyno. When you got 4% body fat and look like you have fat nips then there's a problem. Get big bro!

 

[Rocktown]

Ok. I've really been hoping this wasn't gyno. That it was just in my head. But I'm pretty sure that it is. It feels like there is a deep painful pimple under my right nipple. My letro still isn't here. So where do I go from here? Is this ever going to go away, or is this a problem for life?

 

[jbryand101b]

Go to your local vitamin Shoppe and grab some ldopa.

 

[Rocktown]

Must be. I've been taking 40 mg for 3 days. I've got another bottle that a friend gave me from a different company. Ill start it today. What bothers me is I used the bottle I've been using for my pct last time.... Seems like I bounced back ok. But I guess I did it on a bunk serm.

 

[Matthersby]

Go to your local vitamin Shoppe and grab some ldopa.

I <3 L-Dopa

 

[illiam09]

i did sd pulse and got gyno from it, pretty stupid but live and learn.
i heard from a couple guys off youtube and around my neighborhood that letro/nolva will shrink it to a degree. letro- 1mg, .75mg, .5mg, (first three days look like that) then the rest of the time on letro stay at .5 until your gyno shinks to a degree/or to where you are comfortable. start tapering off, while tapering off you need to run a mod/low dose of nolva (20/20/10 may be good) so you dont have any chance of "estrogen rebound".

the first time i tried letro i didnt do the nolva and gyno came back like wildfire/ maybe worse then before letro
but the second time i did letro/nolva the gyno stayed "controlled"
"gyno" is just a gland that everyone has but now you have stimulated it. it will always be there (kinda like fat cells) and now it will be easier to stimulate again. just make sure you take the steps in dealing with it before hand.

 

[Matthersby]

sd and gyno is strange. when i do a regular cycle of sd it shrinks my preexisting gyno down to where its unnoticeable. i tried a 10mg pulse of it once and it made the gyno flare up.

I like steroids
I like SD
I like RH2012
I don't like gyno
I don't like sneaky stealth SD gyno
I'm tired, its time for a nap.

 

[BlumpkinKing]

and i like Matthersby. do you want to get a hotel room with me? lol

subbed.

 

[Piston Honda]

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