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    Alright so I'm looking to run my first cycle.
    To start with I'm 24 been train seriously for the past 3 years straight, off an on for 4 or 5 years before that.
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    Planning on running epistane for 5-6 weeks.
    30/30/40/40/40
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    30/30/30/40/40/40

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    This is the part I'm wondering about.
    I'm considering torem for my serm, as it seems to be the best of both worlds as far as restart and gyno protect.
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    lower doses of clomid and nolva.
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    Wondering if it would be a better to just choose one, rather than both.

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    What type of epistane do u have bro? You got 2 bottles?
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    I've got two bottles of havoc.
    Also wondering if I should run a base of some sort for lethargy. I know a lot of people do.
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    Depends on the individual i dont get lethargy from epi but some do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimn View Post
    Alright so I'm looking to run my first cycle.
    To start with I'm 24 been train seriously for the past 3 years straight, off an on for 4 or 5 years before that.
    Stats:
    5' 10"
    202 lbs
    ~12-13% bf
    Bench 275, squat 355, deadlift 450.

    Planning on running epistane for 5-6 weeks.
    30/30/40/40/40
    Or
    30/30/30/40/40/40

    Support supps:
    Cycle assist
    Taurine
    Fishoil

    Pct:
    This is the part I'm wondering about.
    I'm considering torem for my serm, as it seems to be the best of both worlds as far as restart and gyno protect.
    Or
    lower doses of clomid and nolva.
    Or
    Wondering if it would be a better to just choose one, rather than both.
    Go 6 weeks. Epi doesn't really kick until week 3, so this will give you a better ride to enjoy. As for your serm choice i cant comment on torem as I have no experience with it, but nolva alone will more than suffice. I would dose 40/20/10/10. Some may say dose lower or longer, but from experience this has worked fine for me. You may also want to add some cissus as epi can leave you a little dry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjfs87 View Post
    Go 6 weeks. Epi doesn't really kick until week 3, so this will give you a better ride to enjoy.
    I would mention that my strength started to shoot up after a week, although I am indeed at the end of week three and no mass gains.
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    I felt it around week two, but week three for me on every epi cycle ive done has been the week for that definitive "on" feeling and usually the week where I start to see new pr's.
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    Thanks for the reply guys.

    I was thinking I'd do 6 weeks, just wanted to make sure it wasn't overkill for my first cycle.

    I'm definitely looking forward to the strength gains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimn View Post
    Thanks for the reply guys. I was thinking I'd do 6 weeks, just wanted to make sure it wasn't overkill for my first cycle. I'm definitely looking forward to the strength gains.
    If anything I'm starting to think six weeks isn't long enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadliftz View Post
    If anything I'm starting to think six weeks isn't long enough.
    It's not wise to run a methyl longer than 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post

    It's not wise to run a methyl longer than 6.
    That's pretty much what I have been seeing.

    So I guess the big thing I'm still wondering at this point is whether to run a base with the epi.
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    Some people do run derma as a base, but I dont think its really beneficial. Epi has never given me lethargy.
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    Hey guys I'm on day 7 of my first epi cycle at 40mg per day

    So far so good up 5lbs and look much fuller and almost have a constant hardon! Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjfs87 View Post
    Some people do run derma as a base, but I dont think its really beneficial. Epi has never given me lethargy.
    Do you think there are any benefits to running derma other than for lethargy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimn View Post
    Do you think there are any benefits to running derma other than for lethargy?
    In for answers on that. I've always used stano as a test base I heard derma is good
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post

    In for answers on that. I've always used stano as a test base I heard derma is good
    Yeah, I have both stano and derma, not sure if there is an advantage to using one over the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimn View Post

    Yeah, I have both stano and derma, not sure if there is an advantage to using one over the other.
    Use both
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post

    Use both
    Any specific reason why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjfs87 View Post
    I felt it around week two, but week three for me on every epi cycle ive done has been the week for that definitive "on" feeling and usually the week where I start to see new pr's.
    Quote Originally Posted by 230volts View Post
    Hey guys I'm on day 7 of my first epi cycle at 40mg per day So far so good up 5lbs and look much fuller and almost have a constant hardon! Lol
    What legit clones are there these days that you can attest to from your own experiences?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alasel View Post
    What legit clones are there these days that you can attest to from your own experiences?
    Brawn, havoc, epi strong
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    Havoc is my personal pref.
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    Havoc is great...i'm on the third week at 40mg/day...new pr's!!!
    510 lb. Deadlift!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimn View Post

    Any specific reason why?

    How do you guys usually dose 30/40? Just twice a day?
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    This week 40 split in two doses of 20...Next week i'll start with 50/ed and split in three doses
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    Quote Originally Posted by marblemadness View Post
    Havoc is great...i'm on the third week at 40mg/day...new pr's!!!
    510 lb. Deadlift!!!
    Nice! What was your previous pr?
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    I saw pr deadlift but it was the last rep of 6/5/4/3/2/1 sets...i'll try 1rm this week...last 1rm was 556 lb
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    Quote Originally Posted by marblemadness View Post
    This week 40 split in two doses of 20...Next week i'll start with 50/ed and split in three doses
    Nice. How far apart?
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    8 wks ago...
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    R u american?
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    I'm using epi mayhem 2 x 20mg am and pm
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    On training days I dose 20mg when I wake, 10mg 5.5 hours later, and 10mg pre workout. Other days I just dose 20 to 30mg(30 when I run up to 60) and then a dose every 5 hours later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marblemadness View Post
    I saw pr deadlift but it was the last rep of 6/5/4/3/2/1 sets...i'll try 1rm this week...last 1rm was 556 lb
    Ah that makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjfs87 View Post
    On training days I dose 20mg when I wake, 10mg 5.5 hours later, and 10mg pre workout. Other days I just dose 20 to 30mg(30 when I run up to 60) and then a dose every 5 hours later.
    Okay that makes sense.

    I generally lift around 2 pm, so doing upon waking, then pre, then around 7 or so sounds right?
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    Sounds fine to me, although some people report epi disrupts sleeping patterns and dont like to dose late, I personally have never experienced this so I prefer to keep the doses based around the half life. When phf was up PA posted something about the benefits of dosing early based on taking advantage of epistanes anti e properties, but from what I remember reading it was largely theory based and didnt really have any real world application to back it up. Id say if it dowant effect your sleep try to keep it based on the half life and dose every 5 to 6 hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjfs87 View Post
    Sounds fine to me, although some people report epi disrupts sleeping patterns and dont like to dose late, I personally have never experienced this so I prefer to keep the doses based around the half life. When phf was up PA posted something about the benefits of dosing early based on taking advantage of epistanes anti e properties, but from what I remember reading it was largely theory based and didnt really have any real world application to back it up. Id say if it dowant effect your sleep try to keep it based on the half life and dose every 5 to 6 hours.
    I found timing doesn't really affect the insomnia - taking it all first thing in the morning hasn't made it any easier to sleep. On the other hand, the lethargy in the hours after dosing may help with sleeping.
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    It sounds like you had alot of adverse reactions to epi. That sucks bro. The spectrum of responses to epi are so wide. Some people respond very well to it, others moderately and still others none at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjfs87 View Post
    It sounds like you had alot of adverse reactions to epi. That sucks bro. The spectrum of responses to epi are so wide. Some people respond very well to it, others moderately and still others none at all.
    Other than the blood pressure it's all very manageable. Trying to get that under control and make some decent gains in the next three weeks.

    I will say though, I don't believe it's as mild as everyone says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadliftz View Post
    Other than the blood pressure it's all very manageable. Trying to get that under control and make some decent gains in the next three weeks. I will say though, I don't believe it's as mild as everyone says.
    No hormone is mild. That's a crock. They are all active steroids and should be treated as such. When comparing it to others it is "mild"
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    Agreed. its potential for sides when compared to others is mild, but it shouldn't be treated with any less diligence when cycling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadliftz View Post
    Other than the blood pressure it's all very manageable. Trying to get that under control and make some decent gains in the next three weeks.

    I will say though, I don't believe it's as mild as everyone says.
    I hope it levels out and you are able to enjoy the last few weeks on cycle.
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