- 01-23-2014, 10:39 PM
Alright so I'm looking to run my first cycle.
To start with I'm 24 been train seriously for the past 3 years straight, off an on for 4 or 5 years before that.
Bench 275, squat 355, deadlift 450.
Planning on running epistane for 5-6 weeks.
This is the part I'm wondering about.
I'm considering torem for my serm, as it seems to be the best of both worlds as far as restart and gyno protect.
lower doses of clomid and nolva.
Wondering if it would be a better to just choose one, rather than both.
- 01-24-2014, 11:08 AM
What type of epistane do u have bro? You got 2 bottles?
- 01-24-2014, 11:12 AM
I've got two bottles of havoc.
Also wondering if I should run a base of some sort for lethargy. I know a lot of people do.
01-24-2014, 11:35 AM
Depends on the individual i dont get lethargy from epi but some do.
01-24-2014, 03:24 PM
01-24-2014, 03:46 PM
01-24-2014, 03:53 PM
I felt it around week two, but week three for me on every epi cycle ive done has been the week for that definitive "on" feeling and usually the week where I start to see new pr's.
01-24-2014, 04:12 PM
Thanks for the reply guys.
I was thinking I'd do 6 weeks, just wanted to make sure it wasn't overkill for my first cycle.
I'm definitely looking forward to the strength gains.
01-24-2014, 04:23 PM
01-24-2014, 04:24 PM
01-24-2014, 10:48 PM
01-25-2014, 01:10 AM
Some people do run derma as a base, but I dont think its really beneficial. Epi has never given me lethargy.
01-25-2014, 12:01 PM
Hey guys I'm on day 7 of my first epi cycle at 40mg per day
So far so good up 5lbs and look much fuller and almost have a constant hardon! Lol
01-26-2014, 02:05 PM
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01-26-2014, 03:06 PM
01-26-2014, 06:39 PM
Havoc is great...i'm on the third week at 40mg/day...new pr's!!!
510 lb. Deadlift!!!
01-26-2014, 06:44 PM
01-26-2014, 06:46 PM
This week 40 split in two doses of 20...Next week i'll start with 50/ed and split in three doses
01-26-2014, 06:46 PM
01-26-2014, 06:49 PM
I saw pr deadlift but it was the last rep of 6/5/4/3/2/1 sets...i'll try 1rm this week...last 1rm was 556 lb
01-26-2014, 06:53 PM
01-26-2014, 07:02 PM
01-26-2014, 07:04 PM
01-26-2014, 09:55 PM
I'm using epi mayhem 2 x 20mg am and pm
01-26-2014, 10:21 PM
On training days I dose 20mg when I wake, 10mg 5.5 hours later, and 10mg pre workout. Other days I just dose 20 to 30mg(30 when I run up to 60) and then a dose every 5 hours later.
01-27-2014, 11:53 AM
01-27-2014, 11:55 AM
01-27-2014, 12:17 PM
Sounds fine to me, although some people report epi disrupts sleeping patterns and dont like to dose late, I personally have never experienced this so I prefer to keep the doses based around the half life. When phf was up PA posted something about the benefits of dosing early based on taking advantage of epistanes anti e properties, but from what I remember reading it was largely theory based and didnt really have any real world application to back it up. Id say if it dowant effect your sleep try to keep it based on the half life and dose every 5 to 6 hours.
01-27-2014, 01:03 PM
01-27-2014, 01:39 PM
It sounds like you had alot of adverse reactions to epi. That sucks bro. The spectrum of responses to epi are so wide. Some people respond very well to it, others moderately and still others none at all.
01-27-2014, 02:18 PM
01-27-2014, 03:07 PM
01-27-2014, 04:03 PM
Agreed. its potential for sides when compared to others is mild, but it shouldn't be treated with any less diligence when cycling.
01-27-2014, 04:04 PM
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