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    Ostarine and S4 stack?


    I was wondering if anyone has any experience stacking these two SARMs. If so, what were your results and how did you set up your cycle? Were you using it for a recomp or cutting? And did you run a mini PCT afterwards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteGuy View Post
    I was wondering if anyone has any experience stacking these two SARMs. If so, what were your results and how did you set up your cycle? Were you using it for a recomp or cutting? And did you run a mini PCT afterwards?
    I would not stack two SARM's and expect a mini pct to be enough. I have seen suppression from 20mg of ostarine solo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteGuy View Post
    I was wondering if anyone has any experience stacking these two SARMs. If so, what were your results and how did you set up your cycle? Were you using it for a recomp or cutting? And did you run a mini PCT afterwards?
    These 2 make a great stack but be prepared with a full on PCT if you plan on taking full doses of both. Recomp or cutting should be easy so long as your diet and training are in check to achieve the desired result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtinsideout View Post
    These 2 make a great stack but be prepared with a full on PCT if you plan on taking full doses of both. Recomp or cutting should be easy so long as your diet and training are in check to achieve the desired result.
    Have you ran either one them before? And I always go overkill on my pct. I just asked about the minI PCT because of what I saw others have laid for it in threads
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteGuy View Post
    Have you ran either one them before? And I always go overkill on my pct. I just asked about the minI PCT because of what I saw others have laid for it in threads
    I myself have ran ostarine at 20-25 mg its not bad but still kind of a wet cycle. S4 I have worried too much about the eye side effects to consider trying it. I have a history of eye issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteGuy View Post
    Have you ran either one them before? And I always go overkill on my pct. I just asked about the minI PCT because of what I saw others have laid for it in threads
    Yea I've run it before, see link below (note I had a good experience but I wouldn't do things the same if I do it again). Knowing what I know now I would have done it a bit differently, probably S4 at 60mg pre workout on workout days only and full 3 caps osta rx (i think 20mg of osta) for 6 weeks total.

    S4 60/60/60/60/0/0
    osta 20/20/20/20/20/20

    Also I would run something like this for PCT.

    Clomid 50mg and/or Nolva 20mg
    Natty test booster of your choosing
    Erase 3 caps

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    They work very well together. If you would like to shed more bf, i'd add GW to your cycle as well. I've had a lot of success with the triple stack

    1-8 Ostarine 25mg ED
    1-8 S4 50mg ED
    1-8 GW 20mg ED

    You may need a light a.i. dose depending on how prone you are. Ostarine can slightly aggravate gyno. Also, depending on how you react to sarms, they may be slightly suppressive. I have blood work at the 8 week mark of a triple stack showing my LH at 7.5 on an 8.6 scale and test serum at 994 so obviously they don't effect me but you may need a decent pct setup
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaymichael View Post
    They work very well together. If you would like to shed more bf, i'd add GW to your cycle as well. I've had a lot of success with the triple stack

    1-8 Ostarine 25mg ED
    1-8 S4 50mg ED
    1-8 GW 20mg ED

    You may need a light a.i. dose depending on how prone you are. Ostarine can slightly aggravate gyno. Also, depending on how you react to sarms, they may be slightly suppressive. I have blood work at the 8 week mark of a triple stack showing my LH at 7.5 on an 8.6 scale and test serum at 994 so obviously they don't effect me but you may need a decent pct setup
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtinsideout View Post
    GW has been linked to cancer. I only read about it briefly before dropping the idea of GW all together.
    hgh and anadrol are also linked to cancer

    I think it's important that guys properly inform themselves on GW because it is a truly amazing PED

    The outdated studies done on rats showed signs of cancer because they gave the rats 50-100x the recommended dose over long durations. Take 100x the recommended amount of dbol or a multivitamin over the course of a year and let's see how long any of us make it. The little bastards never had a chance

    All human clinical trials showed no signs of cancer at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaymichael View Post
    hgh and anadrol are also linked to cancer

    I think it's important that guys properly inform themselves on GW because it is a truly amazing PED

    The outdated studies done on rats showed signs of cancer because they gave the rats 50-100x the recommended dose over long durations. Take 100x the recommended amount of dbol or a multivitamin over the course of a year and let's see how long any of us make it. The little bastards never had a chance

    All human clinical trials showed no signs of cancer at all
    Hmmm... Maybe I'll have to revisit the subject again. The rest of what you laid out also sounds good though. All depends on how you react to it and if you got the $ to run it that long. I should also note to start the S4 actually at like 30mg and work up to see if you have any of the vision sides. Luckily I think I only noticed it once in my time using it. I was at a friends house in the backyard in the sun for a while and when I went indoors my eyes took longer to adjust to the lower light level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtinsideout View Post
    Hmmm... Maybe I'll have to revisit the subject again. The rest of what you laid out also sounds good though. All depends on how you react to it and if you got the $ to run it that long. I should also note to start the S4 actually at like 30mg and work up to see if you have any of the vision sides. Luckily I think I only noticed it once in my time using it. I was at a friends house in the backyard in the sun for a while and when I went indoors my eyes took longer to adjust to the lower light level.
    I totally agree. S4 vision sides will broadside you of you don't ramp up slowly. It will be virtually impossible to see at night. Ramping up slow is a sure way to adjust to it properly
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteGuy View Post
    I was wondering if anyone has any experience stacking these two SARMs. If so, what were your results and how did you set up your cycle? Were you using it for a recomp or cutting? And did you run a mini PCT afterwards?
    Stacking all 3 is amazing bro. Im all about sarms
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    A full PCT is not not nessesary
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMilitant View Post
    A full PCT is not not nessesary
    Osta by itself is suppressive so I think it is best to run a PCT, especially if running multiple SARM's. I've seen people using osta during PCT which I still don't understand how something suppressive can help natural test production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMilitant View Post
    A full PCT is not not nessesary
    That is an odd statement? Have you had blood work while stacking those 2? I have with just the one and was in low 200's ng/dl after 5 weeks. So I would say again full pct or blood work is a requirement if one intends to be safe.
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    Ive seen multiple blood panels showing, LGD, the most anabolic of all not effect LH amd FSH one bit. Test was suppressed a little, but nothing a great natty test booster can fix. Again, a serm is not nessesary. Not even with LGD
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    I always run Ostarine in PCT
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMilitant View Post
    I always run Ostarine in PCT
    I think blackstone even includes Osta in one of there PCT products... Personally I just can't see it but I know others do it as well. I'd love to see blood work on this if you or anyone else has seen it.
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    Unfortunately, we all react differently to sarms and all aas for that matter so we can't make a cookie cutter statement about who needs what for pct. Your best bet may be covering your bases just incase. Couldn't hurt.

    Like I mentioned, my LH was 7.5 and T serum 994 after 8 weeks on the triple stack so I ran an OTC T booster and called it good after I was done but others have shown some pretty low numbers on sarms. That being said, I have rarely seen pre-cycle bloods from these said users. I have to believe a lot of them go into their cycles already suppressed
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtinsideout View Post
    I think blackstone even includes Osta in one of there PCT products... Personally I just can't see it but I know others do it as well. I'd love to see blood work on this if you or anyone else has seen it.
    Ive seen so much blood work its ridiculous. Ostarine is barely suppressive as long as you run a good test booster along side it. Thats the beauty of sarms
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMilitant View Post
    Ive seen so much blood work its ridiculous. Ostarine is barely suppressive as long as you run a good test booster along side it. Thats the beauty of sarms
    There is nothing beautiful about the taste of S4 lol. Everyone is different but I always go with better safe than sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaymichael View Post
    Unfortunately, we all react differently to sarms and all aas for that matter so we can't make a cookie cutter statement about who needs what for pct. Your best bet may be covering your bases just incase. Couldn't hurt.

    Like I mentioned, my LH was 7.5 and T serum 994 after 8 weeks on the triple stack so I ran an OTC T booster and called it good after I was done but others have shown some pretty low numbers on sarms. That being said, I have rarely seen pre-cycle bloods from these said users. I have to believe a lot of them go into their cycles already suppressed
    If you personally get blood work I 100% agree with you if not your not doing yourself or anyone else a favor by saying no pct necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMilitant View Post
    Ive seen so much blood work its ridiculous. Ostarine is barely suppressive as long as you run a good test booster along side it. Thats the beauty of sarms
    I have personally seen my own blood work on Ostarine and seen many others that show suppression.... but to each their own. I honestly think its for everyone's own good to find out how they react and get blood work instead of playing guessing games but if no blood work 1000% of the time a PCT is required!

    Also on a side note you are aware these SARM's were never meant to be selective when it comes to suppression right?
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    Im not saying dont run a pct at all.. run a mini pct and get blood work done
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    I have personally seen my own blood work on Ostarine and seen many others that show suppression.... but to each their own. I honestly think its for everyone's own good to find out how they react and get blood work instead of playing guessing games but if no blood work 1000% of the time a PCT is required!

    Also on a side note you are aware these SARM's were never meant to be selective when it comes to suppression right?
    I dont disagree that safety is rhe best thing.. I get blood work before and after cycles, so I know what works for me. Blood work trumps everything. I was simply saying a serm is not nessesary
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtinsideout View Post
    There is nothing beautiful about the taste of S4 lol. Everyone is different but I always go with better safe than sorry.
    Put your big boy pants on bro.. jk. The taste isnt that big of a deal to me personally. :downthehatch: now give me the gains!
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    If you personally get blood work I 100% agree with you if not your not doing yourself or anyone else a favor by saying no pct necessary.
    My point exactly. If you're not doing blood work, cover your bases
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    S4 and osta cbined should still require a mini PCT. I like osta in a PCT with GW. The studies with rats were doses of 40 mgs. We take 20 as humans. I weigh 200 pounds, the rat weighs a pound. Rats metabolize compounds 25-50% greater than humans we weigh 20,000% more than them... Do the math. The GSK study was the study everybody references. There were 2 rat trials since... That were successful. There have been human trials............. Successsful. GW agonized the ppar delta receptor; the alpha and beta agonists are the ones causing problems in human trials. GW is in every PCT protocol I recommend because it regulates lipds better and assists in fighting muscle wasting. There are bloods of people doing as little as 1mg having better lipid profiles on AAS cycles side-by-side w/ GW. It will be in a stack I'll be running...very soon.
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    Its better if you dont capsule it. There is no need for all that work. Just take it straight.
  

  
 

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