Possible gyno need help

[Chris91]

hello, i ran sust and deca together with armidex 0,5 ed
sust 500mg ew deca 500mg ew
stopped deca and ran out of armidex, decas ester is gone and i have a little lump and my nipple area is increased.
what can i do ? my armidex didnt really help much
could i use proviron or femera?
should i use Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 for 4 weeks during the rest of my sustanon?
any help is appreciated
sorry for bad english

 

[TrenLvr]

You need caber or prami. Start caber at .5 ed right away. Also start back on an AI asap.

 

[Chris91]

what is caber or prami? im from europe and i never heard of those, only heard of
nolvadex
arimidex
proviron
femera and clomid?

 

[TrenLvr]

caber and prami are prolactin inhibitors. Deca and tren can cause prolactin to raise causing gyno difficulties that an AI alone will not help. Get on arimidex and caber.

 

[Chris91]

caber and prami are prolactin inhibitors. Deca and tren can cause prolactin to raise causing gyno difficulties that an AI alone will not help. Get on arimidex and caber.

The problem is nobody i buy off ever heard of caber and prami we only have the brands
Diamond pharna
Medical inc
Alpha pharma
Phoenix remedies
Do any of their products help?

 

[ion26]

The problem is nobody i buy off ever heard of caber and prami we only have the brands Diamond pharna Medical inc Alpha pharma Phoenix remedies Do any of their products help?

Nolva, Erase @4 caps a day, and Inhibit-P @2 caps a day

You don't need caber

 

[aSKINNYkid]

Prolactin has nothing to do with gyno. DO NOT CONTINUE TO TAKE YOUR AI

Raloxifene: 60mg daily for 10 days, then 30mg daily util reversed. You should see improvement in approx. 4 to 6 weeks. If you choose to run 60 mg daily until it's gone, do not exceed 60 days.

Tamoxifen: 40mg daily for one week. Then 20mg daily until gynecomastia is reversed.

Both protocols above will take time. This is not a 2 week process. Reversal will require patience. But it most certainly is effective, side-effect-free and cost incredibly effective when compared to surgery.If you're too lazy to follow the links and read... Raloxifene is the superior compound today for reversing gynecomastia. It can be dosed on or off cycle at 60mg daily up to 80mg daily until your gynecomastia is reversed. I will not be answering any questions that have already been answered in this thread, or in the threads linked above.

Frequently Asked Questions:

1. Can I use Letrozole to reverse gynecomastia?
--- No. This is a very old school method and should never be attempted. We've advanced and we know better today.

2. What should I use to reverse gynecomastia?
--- See the links above. Raloxifene or Tamoxifen are the 2 proven SERMs to work.

3. Can I develop gynecomastia even if I've had the surgery in the past?
--- Yes, you most certainly can. Having surgery is not a reason to ignore signs and estrogen management.

4. How is gynecomastia diagnosed?
--- Physical examination, blood tests, mammograms, chest x-rays, CT scans, MRI, biopsy, etc...

5. Can I get gynecomastia even if estrogen is in check?
--- Not likely, but again, hormonal imbalances and ratios that are way off can cause issues. Get diagnosed.

6. Can gynecomastia develop on one side only?
--- Not likely, it's probably already in both, but only one side is affected worse, so you get signs from that one side.

7. Why are Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERM) better than Aromatase inhibitors (AI)?
--- Both have been studied and SERMs are proven effective. AI's are proven ineffective. SERMs bind to E receptors at breast tissue strongly, unlike AI's.

8. Can SERMs reverse pubertal gynecomastia?
--- Pubertal gynecomastia has been studied as well, and SERMs have been proven effective.

-- cited from steroidology

 

[ion26]

I agree with using a SERM, but I don't see a reason to stop the AI. AI during cycle should be a staple as well.

 

[musclefool]

I did letro 2.5/1.5/1/.5/.5
Nolva 20/20/15/15
Worked really well for me as pct and getting rid of gyno

 

[aSKINNYkid]

I agree with using a SERM, but I don't see a reason to stop the AI. AI during cycle should be a staple as well.

Oh I thought he was on PCT :booty:

 

[ion26]

Oh I thought he was on PCT :booty:

I did at first, but then I realized he is asking whether he should start Nolva now. He has 4 weeks left of sustenon left.

 

[Fzisn1]

Prolactin has nothing to do with gyno.

Prolactin can't cause gyno?

 

[musclefool]

Prolactin can't cause gyno?

I believe it is a different type of gyno...

 

[Chris91]

So what should i do because many diffrent replys.
My nipples dont itch just look bigger than normally even when i got clothes on tho.
Cant press any liquid out btw and it only hurts if i press on em.
If i get cold nipples u cant see it anymore..
Was planning to do this after my sust
8 weeks of tren a mast test p 100mg eod
Should i run nolva and ai now to remove it and run it again after my hcg?

 

[Chris91]

i dont know if you need them or not, but caber is cabergoline and prami is pramipexole. you can order them for an online research chemical site. just google liquid pramipexole and you'll find both.

Are they legal or is it like rest of roids because they check everything we order from othee countrys

 

[Fzisn1]

Are they legal or is it like rest of roids because they check everything we order from othee countrys

Technically they are legal in liquid form. Pill form is a different question. And here is a fact: prolactin DOES cause gyno. Your beat bet bro???? Get a Dr. Opinion. If you want to get rid of gyno, Letro nolva prami with a serious herbal on cycle support is the way to go. It's hard to get rid of gyno on cycle. This is the protocol I used to get rid of Deca induced gyno. You had your estrogen in check with Arimadex/anastrazole. You can start by substituting aromasin for the letrozole if you wish because letro will shut your endocrine system down. I found out about prolactin sides after the fact and Deca is the only thing that ever gave me gyno. Get your bloods checked.

 

[Chris91]

Technically they are legal in liquid form. Pill form is a different question. And here is a fact: prolactin DOES cause gyno. Your beat bet bro???? Get a Dr. Opinion. If you want to get rid of gyno, Letro nolva prami with a serious herbal on cycle support is the way to go. It's hard to get rid of gyno on cycle. This is the protocol I used to get rid of Deca induced gyno. You had your estrogen in check with Arimadex/anastrazole. You can start by substituting aromasin for the letrozole if you wish because letro will shut your endocrine system down. I found out about prolactin sides after the fact and Deca is the only thing that ever gave me gyno. Get your bloods checked.

I had gyno before with sust primo and test p tren but i stopped the cycles instant and did nolva 40/40/20/20 but its diffrrnt this time so.i guess ill check with a doctor aswell

 

[Fzisn1]

Yeah. Tren and deca are 19-nor bro. You need cabergoline or pramipaxole

 

[Chris91]

Yeah. Tren and deca are 19-nor bro. You need cabergoline or pramipaxole

ok i can get cabergoline i found it its dostinex, but dealer is out of it atm
what other names does this pramipaxole have? is it letrozole?

 

[Fzisn1]

No. Prami is prami. There are various research chem sites with both. Just email them and see if they'll ship to u.

 

[Fzisn1]

my personal experience is this. estrogen causes painful lumps breast tissue to form. prolactin causes that puffy nipple sh1t. get both for a while and you'll have bigger tits than a 13 years old girl. lol

I wont run a nor cycle without prami... It's all about control man. A lot of bros entering the game listen to the big guy they work with before ever researching and they pump 19 nors with high test while pounding beers and not using support. Ny roomate ran a full mL shot of my prami last year. 200 mcgs per mL!!! Took it bc I explained how it is used in the porn star stack. This was after running fake tren for 6 months.

 

[Fzisn1]

there are lots of studies that seem to show tamoxifen to inhibit prolactin in the breast and pituitary. here is one for example. i never see anyone recommend nolva for prl but if it works it would take care of prl and e2. 2 birds with one stone.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1846110

I never have either but I like it for gyno help.

 

[Fzisn1]

i've been reading that hops in beer is highly estrogenic. idk if this is accurate or not, but its something to consider. lots of beer drinkers have gyno. i've drank enough of it over the years to float a battleship lol.

Alcohol in general is.

 

[ion26]

Is trenavar a 19 nor?

 

[ion26]

yes.

Well that when it convert to tren in your body right? Conversion is only around 15%, thus the prolactin sides are significantly reduced when compared to injectable tren right? Why you prami be necessary unless you're on injectable tren? Inhibit-P should be enough.

Thoughts?

 

[ion26]

honestly bro, my only thought on trenavar is that it sucks. gave me prl gyno and nothing else. not like tren ace at all. i'd spend my money on something else.

I've heard mixed results too

 

[Chris91]

ok so what should i run?
im stopping my sust in 2-3 weeks and will start on 100mg test P 100mg tren ace 100mg mast eod.
should i start adex 0,5mg ed and how about caber, how much should i run? please lmk. im a bit confused
i should have Nolva ready for after my hcg as well i guess

 

[Fzisn1]

Caber is .25 mgs 2x week. I like arimasin better than adex. You should cut your prop in half.

 

[Chris91]

Caber is .25 mgs 2x week. I like arimasin better than adex. You should cut your prop in half.

My prop?
what is the ester on caber? should i do 1 e3d or just like monday friday?
i can continue my cycle and it will still reduce yes?

 

[jbryand101b]

Prolactin has nothing to do with gyno. DO NOT CONTINUE TO TAKE YOUR AI

Raloxifene: 60mg daily for 10 days, then 30mg daily util reversed. You should see improvement in approx. 4 to 6 weeks. If you choose to run 60 mg daily until it's gone, do not exceed 60 days.

Tamoxifen: 40mg daily for one week. Then 20mg daily until gynecomastia is reversed.

Both protocols above will take time. This is not a 2 week process. Reversal will require patience. But it most certainly is effective, side-effect-free and cost incredibly effective when compared to surgery.If you're too lazy to follow the links and read... Raloxifene is the superior compound today for reversing gynecomastia. It can be dosed on or off cycle at 60mg daily up to 80mg daily until your gynecomastia is reversed. I will not be answering any questions that have already been answered in this thread, or in the threads linked above.

Frequently Asked Questions:

1. Can I use Letrozole to reverse gynecomastia?
--- No. This is a very old school method and should never be attempted. We've advanced and we know better today.

2. What should I use to reverse gynecomastia?
--- See the links above. Raloxifene or Tamoxifen are the 2 proven SERMs to work.

3. Can I develop gynecomastia even if I've had the surgery in the past?
--- Yes, you most certainly can. Having surgery is not a reason to ignore signs and estrogen management.

4. How is gynecomastia diagnosed?
--- Physical examination, blood tests, mammograms, chest x-rays, CT scans, MRI, biopsy, etc...

5. Can I get gynecomastia even if estrogen is in check?
--- Not likely, but again, hormonal imbalances and ratios that are way off can cause issues. Get diagnosed.

6. Can gynecomastia develop on one side only?
--- Not likely, it's probably already in both, but only one side is affected worse, so you get signs from that one side.

7. Why are Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERM) better than Aromatase inhibitors (AI)?
--- Both have been studied and SERMs are proven effective. AI's are proven ineffective. SERMs bind to E receptors at breast tissue strongly, unlike AI's.

8. Can SERMs reverse pubertal gynecomastia?
--- Pubertal gynecomastia has been studied as well, and SERMs have been proven effective.

-- cited from steroidology

Website full of idiots.

Letro is proven anecdotally an scientifically to:

Ruduce estrogen more than any other ai out.

Increase fertility

Reduce/remove gyno

You are a dumbass.

 

[jbryand101b]

So what should i do because many diffrent replys.
My nipples dont itch just look bigger than normally even when i got clothes on tho.
Cant press any liquid out btw and it only hurts if i press on em.
If i get cold nipples u cant see it anymore..
Was planning to do this after my sust
8 weeks of tren a mast test p 100mg eod
Should i run nolva and ai now to remove it and run it again after my hcg?

You should listen to me and run nolva an letro, starting low, an tapering up to a full ml.

Also, unless its been more than 20 weeks since your last injection, the Decca hasn't fully cleared your system.

 

[jbryand101b]

i've been reading that hops in beer is highly estrogenic. idk if this is accurate or not, but its something to consider. lots of beer drinkers have gyno. i've drank enough of it over the years to float a battleship lol.

Yes, beer increases estrogen in males. Androgens in females.

 

[jbryand101b]

Well that when it convert to tren in your body right? Conversion is only around 15%, thus the prolactin sides are significantly reduced when compared to injectable tren right? Why you prami be necessary unless you're on injectable tren? Inhibit-P should be enough.

Thoughts?

Conversion could be 1%, or could be 90% it is impossible to know invivo

 

[Chris91]

Website full of idiots.

Letro is proven anecdotally an scientifically to:

Ruduce estrogen more than any other ai out.

Increase fertility

Reduce/remove gyno

You are a dumbass.

last time i did nolva 40/40/20/20 it didnt remove the gyno only reduced?

 

[jbryand101b]

honestly bro, my only thought on trenavar is that it sucks. gave me prl gyno and nothing else. not like tren ace at all. i'd spend my money on something else.

That does suck. And it def can do that. If steps are taken though, it isn't a problem.
I like it (trenadione)

 

[jbryand101b]

last time i did nolva 40/40/20/20 it didnt remove the gyno only reduced?

Should of added letro at .25ml e/d tapering up to 1ml then down again.

 

[ion26]

Conversion could be 1%, or could be 90% it is impossible to know invivo

This might be a stupid question, but is aromasin a suicidal AI?

 

[jbryand101b]

This might be a stupid question, but is aromasin a suicidal AI?

I don't remember, I stopped caring because that doesn't matter.

 

[Fzisn1]

This might be a stupid question, but is aromasin a suicidal AI?

Yes it is. It binds to the aromatase enzyme. Adex is a receptor blocker. A-sin pwns a-dex.

 

[jbryand101b]

Yes it is. It binds to the aromatase enzyme. Adex is a receptor blocker. A-sin pwns a-dex.

Wrong

 

[Chris91]

Should of added letro at .25ml e/d tapering up to 1ml then down again.

can u explain me the letro? is it ED or eod or e3d etc.
together with nolva ofc
take in mind i will still be in my cycle and need it to counter that as well

 

[jbryand101b]

can u explain me the letro? is it ED or eod or e3d etc.
together with nolva ofc
take in mind i will still be in my cycle and need it to counter that as well

E/d is every day

I give myself 3-4 days before I increase dosage .25ml

.25ml = .625mg

Try getting that with tabs.

 

[Chris91]

E/d is every day

I give myself 3-4 days before I increase dosage .25ml

.25ml = .625mg

Try getting that with tabs.

So 1 pack letro is enough? I dont need the cabers either?

 

[Fzisn1]

If you took or are taking a 19-nor, caber or prami is a must. I agree that letro is the best for blasting gyno, especially simultaneously with nolvadex. However, aromasin CAN eliminate gyno sometimes and has significantly less shutdown properties than letro. Letro shuts you down. HARD.

 

[jbryand101b]

So 1 pack letro is enough? I dont need the cabers either?

1 bottle? Yes,
caber? I wouldn't use it, but may help with wood. I use cialis 3mg e/d

 

[Fzisn1]

Wrong

10,000% right

 

[jbryand101b]

10,000% right

Nope.

 

[jbryand101b]

and has significantly less shutdown properties than letro. Letro shuts you down. HARD.

This is incorrect also.

 

[Chris91]

If you took or are taking a 19-nor, caber or prami is a must. I agree that letro is the best for blasting gyno, especially simultaneously with nolvadex. However, aromasin CAN eliminate gyno sometimes and has significantly less shutdown properties than letro. Letro shuts you down. HARD.

I am taking a nor19 soon.
How should i run caber during cycle its 8 weeks.
Can i run letro and nolva meanwhile to remove tjw gyno? And armidecx to counter any gyno from test p.or will nolva do?

 

[jbryand101b]

I am taking a nor19 soon.
How should i run caber during cycle its 8 weeks.
Can i run letro and nolva meanwhile to remove tjw gyno? And armidecx to counter any gyno from test p.or will nolva do?

Don't listen to him, he doesn't know what he's talking about.