how bad is the lethargy on epi?

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    how bad is the lethargy on epi?


    wondering if i need a test-base of some sort (stano, 4-ad, frl 5-alpha, dermacrine, d-spray, etc) or if i will be ok w/o it? i have some trestobol, but am hesitant to take that because of the bloat (trying to recomp). also thinking about transdermal test or original 4-ad transdermally, but those are more expensive options
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    I ran epi at 80mg per day for 7 weeks with 4 pumps of dermacrine per day with zero lethargy.

    Without a "test base" 40mg of epi gives me mild lethargy around week 5
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    i'm only planning on running it 30-40 mg. maybe i should just get some stano 200 anyway, idk
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybeegood View Post
    i'm only planning on running it 30-40 mg. maybe i should just get some stano 200 anyway, idk
    I'd add in some stanozane by Ironflex.. If you use Google you'll find it on sale for 22.99 which is dirt cheap
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    i don't remember epi being that bad on lethargy however a test base would never hurt to have
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    Couple grams vitamin c can help with lethargy. However i never experienced lethargy on epi. Only on sd
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybeegood View Post
    wondering if i need a test-base of some sort (stano, 4-ad, frl 5-alpha, dermacrine, d-spray, etc) or if i will be ok w/o it? i have some trestobol, but am hesitant to take that because of the bloat (trying to recomp). also thinking about transdermal test or original 4-ad transdermally, but those are more expensive options
    Stano and frl 5-alpha are not a "test-base". They are both actually two step conversions to DHT. They both increase libido and help with lethargy while on cycle tho. I would go with stano. I'm currently using stanozane by ironflex on my epi cycle and I'm loving it
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    13 days in and when I get home from the gym I feel like spending the day in bed. It's manageable, but it sucks.
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    I would recommend against a stano hormone. Stano and epi are both DHT based, which wouldn't hurt, but why not add some variety? Dermacrine or 4-AD would be an excellent choice. Keep your diet right and bloat shouldn't be a problem.

    I ran 4-AD and loved it TBH. I did 800mg a day. If you catch a sale it's definitely worth it. If not, I agree it can be pricey.

    If you go with 4-Ad, run nothing less than 800mg/day I would prefer you run 1g a day.
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    I've ran it twice at 40mg without a test base and didn't have lethargy either time.
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    already have some stano on the way. but as that is also dht-based i might save it and run something else if lethargy is a problem.
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    thinking i might do mecha/stano first, save the epi for some other time.
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    While some experience lethargy with Epi , many others do not at all. I've experienced lethargy on two cycle- one time I used Stano and the other I used PCT Assist at half dose

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    for me it was terrible at weeks 5 and six i could not wait to get back to normal. I used stano 800mg a day and it did not help. If i were you i would try 4ad or trest thats what i will use as a test base next time.
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    yea, right now i'm thinking mecha/stano in the spring and epi/trest in the fall.
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