Dull pain - upper abdomen 10 days into PH cycle
- 01-12-2014, 05:43 AM
Dull pain - upper abdomen 10 days into PH cycle
I'm currently running my first cycle, these are what im taking:
Ultra-Sten x2 daily
Deca-Drol Max x3 daily
Coq10 + Vit E + Hawthorn 150mg x1 a day (afternoon)
Cycle armor x2 daily (evening before bed)
I diggest my PH usually with fish oil, or after consuming some form of FAT.
I am also consuming 3-5 litres of water a day.
I have started to feel a dull abdomen pain, more specifically to the upper right.
The pain is hard to explain, but it wont make you cringe, but make you want to stretch the abdomen.
Has anyone else experienced this?
What i had in mind was to either:
1. completely stop - but if i do, do i start my PCT?
2. stop ultra-sten (methylated) and continue deca-drol max (non-methylated)
Includes Nolva and Ultra male RX (i also have DAA available), and i planned to run it like so:
Ultra male 1 cap
Ultramale 1 cap
If i stop now, can you please suggest how i should dose my PCT.
Sorry forgot to mention:
Male, 25 years of age at 75KG.
I also got blood prior to my cycle, although the doctor suggested my liver was perfectly healthy, here are the stats:
ALT 28 U/L
AST 39 U/L
T.Bilirubin 16 umol/L
TP 70 g/L
Albumin 41 g/L
GLB 29 g/L
Alk Phos 69 U/L
GGT 24 U/L
- 01-12-2014, 06:11 AM
Could be your liver get some TUDCA or liv52Check out my LG Bulk Kit log.
- 01-12-2014, 06:14 AM
01-12-2014, 07:30 AM
01-12-2014, 07:39 AM
01-12-2014, 08:21 AM
01-12-2014, 09:15 AM
There are several things it could be, but I would be careful with that harsh crap. If you are looking to grow and you are set on taking stuff, find a good source of reliable gear. If you don't your liver will be swiss cheese by the time you are my age. That's just solid advice if you want to stay in the game longer than one summer. We don't talk about sources here and we won't, but getting gear is NOT as hard as it used to be. It is really quite easy if you start googling and paying attention. I'll point you in the right direction, but I will not name a source for ya bro. Sorry.
Aside from that advice, I would be monitoring several things. If you take in sodas or anything acidic, you need to get that to a minumum while on gear. Your body considers a ton of a gear a bit of stress on the body which causes excess acid production resulting in all sorts of problems (being sick, having cramps, just feeling like crap). You can take bentonite clay directly, one teaspoon a day for several days and if that solves the issue, guess what, you were just very toxic in an acidic way.
Take liver support, but with the availablibity of things nowadays I just don't get taking methyl's ..... seems so 2009 to me.
01-12-2014, 10:41 AM
01-12-2014, 10:44 AM
01-12-2014, 10:50 AM
01-12-2014, 06:24 PM
Thanks for all the response.
Significant changes to diet: I have increased my carbs from about 50-60g to 100-150.
I have increased fat intake from about 50 to 80-100
I have increased protein in take from about 150 to 250-300.
Soda - I havent consumed soda since new years celebration. Was never a big soda drinker really.
I will be stepping out to local herbal shop or pharmacy hope they have liv52. My cycle armor already contains milk thistle 360mg. Recommend I purchase a stand alone milk thistle to take in the arvo or morning?
01-12-2014, 06:30 PM
01-12-2014, 06:49 PM
The liver is not likely going to cause pain. RUQ abdominal pain is usually consistent with a gallbladder issue like gallstones, sludge, sludge in the biliary ducts or inflammation to the gallbladder wall. If the pain persists go see a doc and get an abdominal ultrasound. The abdominal ultrasound will be able to see if there is any gallbladder or liver issues going on.
01-12-2014, 07:30 PM
01-12-2014, 07:34 PM
I do remember before christmas I had the same pain but it went away and forgot about it totally until I spoke to a mate earlier today.
If I go for ultra sound should I stop taking my supplements for a couple of days? Especially if I am asked to fast.
01-12-2014, 07:35 PM
01-12-2014, 08:10 PM
01-12-2014, 08:55 PM
01-12-2014, 09:18 PM
I can get purchase liv52 online. Or I ccanpurchase the following from local pharmacy:
Liver guard 35000 plus
Silybum marianum (milk thistle) fruit 35g
Equiv. Silymarin 270mg
Cynara scolymus (globe artichoke) leaf 6g
Peumus boldus (boldo) leaf 400mg
Molybdenum as trioxide 50 ug
Swisse liver detox
Globe artichoke (cynara scolymus extract equiv. To fresh leaf 1.0g)
St marys thistle (silybum marianum fruit 2.5g flaranolignan calculated as silybin 28.6mg)
Turmeric (curcuma longa rhizome 1.5g curcuminoids 48.75mg)
Will either od this suffice or just purchase liv52?
01-12-2014, 09:28 PM
If I do decide to stop altogether, should I do my pct as I had planned ( I had planned to run an 8 week cycle ) my pct looks like:
Ultra male 1 cap
Ultramale 1 cap
I also have DAA and ZMA.
Today is 11th day.
01-13-2014, 09:47 AM
01-13-2014, 10:01 AM
I'm not suggesting you need to drop your cycle. I'm only suggesting you go see your doc and request an abdominal ultrasound. It is not an expensive test (with or without insurance) and you will gain a good deal of information about your organ health.
Best of luck and keep us posted!
01-18-2014, 12:28 AM
It has been a 5 days since i've stopped my cycle and the pain is still there(not as bad though - but might just be in the head) and im currently running DAA and ultra male as a mini PCT (adding creatine today) which i may just continue to run until what's causing the pain has been identified.
I got blood and xray done today, i waited a little while because i wanted my liver levels to normalize as much as possible, i took blood about a month ago so if the difference are massive it would determine i took supp, and i dont know how my insurance are going to handle that..
will keep youse posted when i get the result and speak to doctor.
BTW blood test, ultrasound etc are all free her in Melbourne! with a doctors referral ofc.
01-31-2014, 05:00 PM
just updating youse with my blood and xray.
no abnormality found
AST 39 U/L AST 38 U/L (Normal range <35)
ALT 28 U/L ALT 54 U/L (Normal range <40)
LDL 2.7 nmol/L LDL 4.2 mnol/L (Normal range 2.1-4.0)
just a little out of the normal range, nothing the doctor was concerned about.
However he suggested no alcohol and creatine for about a month.
The pain continues so i might go see another doctor, im guessing it's gallstone but this doctor doesnt seem to think so.
01-31-2014, 05:42 PM
02-01-2014, 08:05 AM
02-01-2014, 10:15 AM
Do you feel any of the pain in your back as well? Upper right abdomen pain could be your pancreas... As someone mentioned before, it could be gallstones... Gallstones can cause pancreatitis(inflammation of the pancreas)... Get an MRI &/or an ultrasound... Pancreatitis is some serious $hit, whereas gallstones are an easy-ish fix via removal of the gallbladder...
02-01-2014, 12:57 PM
02-01-2014, 02:34 PM
02-01-2014, 04:33 PM
03-14-2014, 12:27 AM
i am back!
sorry to have kept youse all waiting.
couple of days after my last post here i had the worst episode of stomach pain.
the next day i had a laparoscopic gallbladder surgery.
Next week marks my 6th week post operation meaning 6 weeks no GYM.
omg hearing the doctor tell me this was more painful then my stomach pain lol.
anyways plan to hit the GYM HARD! not really but yeah..
will need to go light weight for a couple of weeks i guess..
might start a cycle of halobolin by myopharm at 50/50/50/100/100/100 to help get me back into it..
or too soon? anyway i'll post the details of my cycle on another thread. thanks everyone.
03-14-2014, 02:08 AM
Hey what supplements where you using prior to gallbladder issues. Same **** hit me about 3 years ago. Doctor told me it was very rare for younger males to have issues. Mine was very sudden.
03-14-2014, 04:37 AM
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