- 01-13-2014, 12:33 PM
- 01-13-2014, 12:42 PM
Second. Are you interested in competition? Cause if you're into figure...var wil be fine. Bodybuilding however. Your going to have to go the testosterone route. Sorry but you won't get big enough with var for competition.
if not for competition then var or tbol/hdrol. Maybe primo/winstrol.Online community manager/lead rep of Chaos and Pain,LLC and Fundamental Nutrition.Check us out!chaosandpain.com fnsupps.com Follow me on instagram:@pyrobatt
01-13-2014, 12:46 PM
01-13-2014, 01:16 PM
01-13-2014, 01:52 PM
01-13-2014, 02:05 PM
Originally Posted by kisaj
01-13-2014, 02:12 PM
No where in my post did I imply or compare anything like that. I stated that we don't know her workout or diet and that there is little or no reason that a female cannot gain good muscle mass from that alone. We know nothing about the OP and people are debating on the best AAS she should take.
01-13-2014, 02:24 PM
Being a female, ur gonna have to find more patience than us guys. Your hormones arent geared toward rapid muscle and strength gains. So, how much patience do u have? 4 weeks? 3 months? 6 months? A year?
For my wife (whose success I feel responsible for), noticeable differences come 6 months at a time. She is natty.
Start making changes now to ur diet to get u moving in the right direction. U need two different measuring tools: the scale and measuring tape. These two together will identify progress when the eyes cant. Since ur gains will be slow, you'll need that encouragement. Diet and consistency are most important with the exercise routine being the least important. Things dont start picking up for most folks til they get 6-8 years into their training habits. This of course applies to those that r serious, consistent and dedicated. So u have time. Dont fall into the "hype of hurry". Hastiness leads to bad choices and a lack of discipline. Besides, and I speak from a strong authoritative experience on this, steroid gains will not stick without a dang good diet and consistency before hand. Figure out what diet protocol gives u steady progress (however slow it may be) and if you still decide the AAS route, you'll see incredible gains that will likely be retainable.
01-13-2014, 02:27 PM
01-13-2014, 02:48 PM
01-13-2014, 05:32 PM
01-13-2014, 05:42 PM
I know. Based on your other posts in threads, I expected nothing less and figured you would try to get in the last word on a mistake you made. Considering you just quoted exactly what I said twice, I am thinking that you just like to fight over stuff.
01-13-2014, 06:21 PM
It's no mistake. You said it, this what its interpreted as. Doesn't matter what you meant.
If I say fcuk you but mean I love you does that mean its okay?
01-13-2014, 06:31 PM
01-13-2014, 06:34 PM
Are you mental? My comment was very clear and you interpreted incorrectly and seem to want to argue over it. So you took it wrong, who cares? Just read this slowly so you can interpret it the way I said it twice already:
We don't know the OP or her diet and routine because she has not posted anything. There is no reason with a good diet and workout that she cannot make good gains with diet and workout alone.
Now read this a few times and try to really comprehend each and every word so you can digest what they really mean. I have faith that you are going to be able to understand eventually.
01-13-2014, 06:37 PM
01-13-2014, 06:40 PM
01-13-2014, 06:44 PM
01-13-2014, 06:46 PM
What you should of said was op or anyone, most likely can make good gains, as far as their genetics allow, then one will want to turn to aas if they desire more beyond what one can attain naturally.
01-13-2014, 06:48 PM
And I don't care about diet an training of someone looking for advice.
They're gonna do w/e they want to do regardless, so ill give my thoughts, and wish them the best.
It isn't like they are a client and paying me.
Though again, I didn't give any advice, so don't really have a dog in this fight. I just want to put my .02 cents in.
01-13-2014, 08:18 PM
01-13-2014, 08:26 PM
It builds muscle just not alot. Its a very lean option to consider and is a good one for women.
You have to remember that women have a fraction of the test that men do so throwing in even the smallest dose of AAS can have profound effects.
01-13-2014, 10:41 PM
01-14-2014, 10:33 AM
01-14-2014, 10:54 AM
01-14-2014, 11:30 AM
01-14-2014, 01:12 PM
01-16-2014, 10:01 AM
Wow, didn't expect that many replies. To answer some of the questions that were raised:
Diet: could use some cleaning up. I follow a mostly Paleo style, I.e. lost of fruit, veggies, and eggs and meat for protein, plus some dairy. No fast food really, have never really done that. Getting about 60-80g protein, and around 1800-2200 cal a day. Not logging my food intake right, but have in the past. I think this works for working out 2x a week. Once that increases, macros need to increase as well.
Workout: currently doing a 5x5 program, doing squats, bench press, and assisted pullups one day, and deadlifts, biceps curls, triceps extensions, and arnold press or snatches the other. Planning on getting back to a 5 days a week program in the near future.
Goal: gain muscle mass, wouldn't exactly mind if a bit of fat came along for the ride. I don't want to compete, so don't want to get to those low bodyfat levels. I guess the physique I'm shooting for is something like figure competitor, maybe a bit more muscular in the legs.
I'm not necessarily looking for advice on what I should take, I'm trying to find out what options women have, should I choose to go that route, so I can do research on those things. It's kinda hard to do research, if you don't know what you're researching.
Also, the legality of those things has me confused as heck. Anavar is not legal, no?
And another question, how would/do women react to a SARM?
01-16-2014, 10:27 AM
Ok, so everything you just posted says that you have work to do before looking to go AAS. This is exactly why I posted the question.
You need to get your workouts back on track because 5x5 is a great program, but 2x a week isn't doing you much. I don't know your size, but 1800-2200 calories a day may be excessive. People love to beat up on someone trying to help, so I guess you can decide if you want to go the route of sustainability or just go AAS and hope that it helps in the short term. The point is, you aren't using the potential of what you can do naturally.
01-16-2014, 10:38 AM
My wife eats 1800-2000/day and doesnt gain weight...and she weighs only 113lbs...
Metabolism has millions of different drivers it seems. Not just about total muscle mass.
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