Drug test? At your Gym?!?! What the **** kinda **** is that? Is that legal? I don't know about you, but I'd go find another gym. That's BS. That really does not make any sense whatsoever to me. WTF!
That's still retarded. What country? I doubt it'll show up, but I'm sure Sledge would know for sure.
Yepp, the info said "drugs and steriods"
Yeah but thats because your an American. Most other places on this planet don't have our Bill of Rights so they go along with crap like this.
So SD shouldnt be seen in tests then? Or does it raise test levels?
Damn socialists!! :rant:
that's exactly it. But watch out, Coming to a theater (country) near you....
I know, I'm worried.
)I meant surpress of course... my misstake.
Ya I hear you
Testing is not only done for the parent compound but for metabolites it produces. As the compound gets broken down and excreted, I would think that all sorts of different metabolites would appear.
Yes there is no reference standard but what I didn't know was that it does not produce any metabolites - is that what you are saying?? How come?
Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's not metabolized. First off, 17-alkylated steroids are never metabolized at the 17 position because the enzyme is sterically and chemically hindered from oxidizing the tertiary alcohol but the 3 ketone is equally protected by the reduced A ring and 2-alkyl sub so no estro or DHT formation either. 1 and 2-methylated androgens are not shown to be demethylated at these positions to any degree. There just isn't an enzyme sytem in the body to break it down. The only know metabolites would be 3, 6 or 11-OH and only in very trace amounts. Dbol forms a gillion metabolites, it would be one of the worst if your being tested.
Damn Dr.D knows his stuff! :goodpost:
That's the key issue here, what, if any, metabolites are left as a residual trace. There are Poisons that a GCMS can identify in it's original state, but because they metabolize into elements common in the body, they are undetectable within a short time of application.Don't believe that CSI showbiz stuff, the moron who uses heavy metals or rat poison is sure to be caught, but there are things around that no magic machine can define.
(that's a joke guys, they always hate jokes like that when I go to donate blood, wonder why?)
Thallium is such a knock off, it doesn't naturally occcur to any great extent in the body except with accumulation over time, and it's a bone seeker. I was unaware of those cases.
I am unaware of any SOP in place. There is no dectection protocol that I have heard of on the horizon either. It is possible to prepare a method, of course, but this can not be done until a certified lab creats a standard by which to test from. Otherwise, who knows what that extra peak is in the chromo?
Yes, of course I will. :thumbsup:
Time to start building a home gym..
It should not show up on a real MS ot LC u.a. but some generic enzyme tests (like probation officers do) may show that "something" is in the urine. I have recently heard of a case like this, but I suspect that another steroid may have been present too that actually gave the positive result. A specific SD test is not available yet to my knowledge, but it's probably just a matter of time if the popularity of SD continues to increase.
Thanks for the heads-up Ryansm, I was unaware that e-max/PP was testable. DMT is not a "controlled substance" but if these sports organizations are aware of it, it really doesn't matter.
I've heard the list is pretty long alright. Not even Sudafed or caffeine, right?Not controlled, but certainly known of, and I'm sure I don't need to explain how much USADA is a hard ass.
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