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    Question PCT and PH help


    So Im looking to do a cycle but not really sure what to do.

    A little background:
    23 years old 190 lbs lean. Been lifting for around 4 years. I ran a cycle of hdrol a year ago put on about 9lbs kept about 6 lbs of that.

    Im looking for a PH that is legal and does'nt absolutely require a serm. Most here always suggest a serm no matter what cycle which I understand. A serm will be within my reach for worst case scenario but I want to stay away from that if at all possible.

    Goals are just to put on some muscle weight wet or dry isn't a big concern. Ive done a great deal of research but everything is so self conflicting.
    Ive been looking into p-bold some people run without serm some with.

    Thanks for any and all help guys.

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    If you don't wanna run a SERM, you have to run a weak PH.

    Why no SERM?

    Read this about p bold

    http://patrickarnoldblog.com/progest...as-prohormone/
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    Shouldn't mess with your hormones if you are not going to run a proper pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    If you don't wanna run a SERM, you have to run a weak PH.

    Why no SERM?

    Read this about p bold
    Very interesting and I want to stay as legal and unquestionable as possible if thats not possible than its a no go for me. Any suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Shouldn't mess with your hormones if you are not going to run a proper pct.
    And my question was if there are PH's that are safe to run without serm. I have a serm that I have readily available but only want to use it for emergencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bugiscooby03 View Post

    And my question was if there are PH's that are safe to run without serm. I have a serm that I have readily available but only want to use it for emergencies.
    How will you know if it's an emergency? Seriously! The way you feel is not always a clear indication of shut down. Why take the chance? Just add the serm to your pct. Sure you could low dose some non- methyl ph but it would still put stress on your body and the gains would be minimal to none over simply going natty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bugiscooby03 View Post

    Very interesting and I want to stay as legal and unquestionable as possible if thats not possible than its a no go for me. Any suggestions?
    All of the current ph/ds are legally "questionable" by definition.
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    if you are that worried i'd just stay away from ph's. why do you have a serm if you are concerned about the legality? does it make it suddenly more illegal if you take it after cycling a round of "grey area of legality" steroids? i'm confused
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    can't get a serm or something? xgels + daa would be a good natural stack you could use if a ph/ds isn't an option.

    Why not hdrol again, you seemed to have good results with it the first time!
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    Something mild like halo or pmag (very similar) at 50mg for 4 weeks are the only things I would feel safe taking without a SERM. Nobody I know back home that takes PHs even know that they exist so I commend you for looking it up. This is because the dumbasses at the local supp stores that sell the stuff don't know a GD thing. They sell some of the strongest stuff out there to whoever will pay and give them some tribulus for their PCT.
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