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    dhea, which and how much?


    so dhea helps with lethargy on cycle. i never ran any but would like to with next cycle in a couple weeks. my question is which type of dhea do you guys buy? is it the $10 dhea products u can buy at any supp or drug store or are u supposed to use the 5dhea, 1ad or 4ad products? also how many mg per day? gonn be running alpha20/dianabol stack and all i here about alpha is it causes crazy lethargic

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    No, the stuff you get at Wal-Mart won't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    No, the stuff you get at Wal-Mart won't work.
    ^^^^ Hahaha! owned !
    Being on top gives me a better view then I am able to see some of my "friends" true colors, they would try to bring me down from the bottom, but they cant... are they strong enough? Well they dont even lift, I do Tren :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    No, the stuff you get at Wal-Mart won't work.
    Whats wrong with generic DHEA I know orally it's not the most common used but it's the same stuff that's in dermacrine/d spray.

    All the normal DHEA products are 5DHEA due to the 5-6 double bond.

    1-DHEA is not to be used for lethargy it is a precursor to 1-testosterone which will cause lethargy.

    4-DHEA is a testosterone precursor and can be used for lethargy. IML 4-ANDRO, AMS 4-AD RDE, ForeRunner Alpha Bulk.

    Then you have androsterone and epiandrosterone which are basically DHEA with no double bonds androsterone is 3 alpha hydroxy epiandrosterone is 3 beta hydroxy these are both DHT precursors which are used sometimes as well.

    Basically pick your poison oral DHEA not usually recomended, topical is, 4-DHEA is your best bet but can be expensive, DHT PH's work to but need to be dosed high, and don't waste your time with overpriced Androfactory products.
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    I've posted why oral dhea, is a waste a number of times.



    If you disagree, tell Patrick Arnold about how wrong he is, and that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
    Seriously, Please do it, and re post the convo for us.

    I would think by now people would know I don't just make shiit up.

    Yes, I know why its a waste, but I'm not the one searching for answers, or disagreeing, so not my problem.

    Again, plain oral dhea, the kind you buy for 10 bucks at Wal-Mart, or the 15$ bottle you buy from vitamin Shoppe is s waste.
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    really appreciate it guys, just never knew if you guys were taking the drug store dhea or these expensive ones. never would buy androfacotry stuff, price is just ridiculous
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    If you go with reg dhea, choose either sublingual tabs, or transdermal.
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    Dermacrine will be my go to product to combat lethargy going forward. Using it on cycle now and I feel great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    If you go with reg dhea, choose either sublingual tabs, or transdermal.
    Hey jbry say I decided to use dermacrine to combat lethargy from 1AD. Would it be ok to still use something like epiandrosterone along with the dermacrine or would it be pointless?
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    it wouldn't be pointless.
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    if I had to choose a topical dhea product, i'd go with prototype nutrtion's d-spray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    if I had to choose a topical dhea product, i'd go with prototype nutrtion's d-spray.
    Why? If you don't mind me asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    Why? If you don't mind me asking.
    Because I feel Patrick Arnold Has a better idea of what he's doing than Nathan chase of need to build...

    Also I don't trust nate either.

    Granted, both are all about the Benjamin's, but what company owner isn't right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    Because I feel Patrick Arnold Has a better idea of what he's doing than Nathan chase of need to build...

    Also I don't trust nate either.

    Granted, both are all about the Benjamin's, but what company owner isn't right?
    Is Nathan the guy that formulated dermacrine for PP? BPS sells it now (but it's the same product PP had from my understanding) and I had never heard anything negative about it.


    When you said it I was just wondering if there was some major difference between the two products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    if I had to choose a topical dhea product, i'd go with prototype nutrtion's d-spray.
    The D spray is still avail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    The D spray is still avail?
    Yup. 2 pack 64$

    Single bottle 39$

    And you know it'll be legit
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Is Nathan the guy that formulated dermacrine for PP? BPS sells it now (but it's the same product PP had from my understanding) and I had never heard anything negative about it.


    When you said it I was just wondering if there was some major difference between the two products.
    DEFINATELY NO! NATHAN DID NEVER FORMULATE DERMACRINE!!!!.... dermacrine was formulated by one of my idols, one very knowledgeable person that really innovate the supplement industry, his name is Eric and he is the best. nuff said

    oh yes and tbh dermacrine is one of the best supplements you can buy!
    Being on top gives me a better view then I am able to see some of my "friends" true colors, they would try to bring me down from the bottom, but they cant... are they strong enough? Well they dont even lift, I do Tren :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenTheEagle View Post

    DEFINATELY NO! NATHAN DID NEVER FORMULATE DERMACRINE!!!!.... dermacrine was formulated by one of my idols, one very knowledgeable person that really innovate the supplement industry, his name is Eric and he is the best. nuff said

    oh yes and tbh dermacrine is one of the best supplements you can buy!
    I can't tell if you're serious or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I can't tell if you're serious or not.
    I am, dermacrine was produced by PP a while ago and this company was the best, every single product was 100% effective. Dermacrine is one of the best supplements OTC that I have used, thats why you will find it out of stock most of the time. The owner is a very knowledgeable person and puts a lot of effort in every single product. Unfortunately PP is no longer in business and this is so sad, is one of the few companies that are 100 % legit.

    I am glad that dermacrine is still available, it is worth a try, just my .02 cents
    Being on top gives me a better view then I am able to see some of my "friends" true colors, they would try to bring me down from the bottom, but they cant... are they strong enough? Well they dont even lift, I do Tren :-)
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    The dermacrine pp made and sold is different than dermacrine sold now.

    And my bad, so many people have owned rights to sell a topical dhea product under that name, I forget who has the rights now, but at one point he had those rights.
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    Nathan Chase's product is RS-Transaderm not Dermacrine. All 3 of these transdermals have worked well for me ( P-Spray, Dermacrine & Transaderm).
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    I have run regular DHEA powder in Phojel in the past.

    While I will not compare it to other other DHEA-based trabsdermals, it significantly increased my sense of well being.

    And it was dirt cheap.

    And, after my next blood test (today @ 9AM) I will start running it again (although I do not believe it would have materially impacted today's blood test).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    Nathan Chase's product is RS-Transaderm not Dermacrine. All 3 of these transdermals have worked well for me ( P-Spray, Dermacrine & Transaderm).
    You failed to comprehend my post.

    He was the first to get rights to it. He gave those up choosing to make his own.
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    jbry - You are due for an avatar change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    jbry - You are due for an avatar change.
    Wut? I just changed it? That's my most recent pic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    I have run regular DHEA powder in Phojel in the past.

    While I will not compare it to other other DHEA-based trabsdermals, it significantly increased my sense of well being.

    And it was dirt cheap.

    And, after my next blood test (today @ 9AM) I will start running it again (although I do not believe it would have materially impacted today's blood test).
    I've done the same, using DHEA powder from Beyond a Century. It was a little grainy when applied, but effective. Primarily a mood enhancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Wut? I just changed it? That's my most recent pic!
    Something in a kilt would be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texastea View Post
    I've done the same, using DHEA powder from Beyond a Century. It was a little grainy when applied, but effective. Primarily a mood enhancer.
    Oh yes, BAC was awesome.

    It is a shame they dropped almost all self-branded bulk products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Oh yes, BAC was awesome.

    It is a shame they dropped almost all self-branded bulk products.
    I didn't know that. I haven't ordered in a while, but have a full bottle in the cabinet. Too bad, they had a great selection of items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texastea View Post
    I didn't know that. I haven't ordered in a while, but have a full bottle in the cabinet. Too bad, they had a great selection of items.
    They still have some, but not many - and those will be phased out.

    I guess that leaves us w/ SP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    They still have some, but not many - and those will be phased out.

    I guess that leaves us w/ SP.
    I'm not familiar with SP. Who's that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by texastea View Post
    I'm not familiar with SP. Who's that?
    I PM'd you.
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    Got it. Thanks for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    You failed to comprehend my post. He was the first to get rights to it. He gave those up choosing to make his own.
    My bad, I thought people were just confused on Dermacrine and Transaderm. Since they have similar names and the same ingredient profile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post

    Something in a kilt would be nice.
    I can put on some of my wife's daisy dukes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    I can put on some of my wife's daisy dukes?
    I suppose so. Just try not to look too coy, OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post

    I suppose so. Just try not to look too coy, OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mstep View Post
    really appreciate it guys, just never knew if you guys were taking the drug store dhea or these expensive ones. never would buy androfacotry stuff, price is just ridiculous
    You do realize androfactory line is not the same thing as regular DHEA you buy at the store correct? They are completely different products. But yes DHEA is useless on cycle. If you want to decrease lethargy on cycle you need a test base.

    If you cannot get test then stano seems to be popular at combating lethargy although I cannot personally vouch for this. Trest and 4-dhea products are other options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CATdiesel76 View Post
    You do realize androfactory line is not the same thing as regular DHEA you buy at the store correct? They are completely different products. But yes DHEA is useless on cycle. If you want to decrease lethargy on cycle you need a test base. If you cannot get test then stano seems to be popular at combating lethargy although I cannot personally vouch for this. Trest and 4-dhea products are other options.
    Oh I know there 2 totally different things but just androfactory is crazy pricey. I'm just gonna pick up trest
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