Which PH causes the least amount of shutdown?

  1. Which PH causes the least amount of shutdown?


    Looking to take something during the winter that causes the least amount of shutdown. Or something I can take along with a PH to minimize the effect, like an AI. Suggestions?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by machwon04 View Post
    Looking to take something during the winter that causes the least amount of shutdown. Or something I can take along with a PH to minimize the effect, like an AI. Suggestions?
    That's impossible. The stronger the PH/DS the greater level of shutdown. We all suck it up and take it and have a good pct.

  3. Whenever you mess around with PHs always expect shutdown. That's why pct is the most crucial part of every cycle.
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  4. Looking into SARMS. Ostarine is your best bet.

  5. If there was no shut down, there would be no gainz.
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  6. What is a good pct for epistane or hdrol? Ive never been able to keep from gaining fat and losing muscle gained during pct.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by machwon04 View Post
    Looking to take something during the winter that causes the least amount of shutdown. Or something I can take along with a PH to minimize the effect, like an AI. Suggestions?
    Oral dhea. End thread.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Oral dhea. End thread.

    Was going to say this. Also, some research indicates Arachidonic Acid is anabolic. As an EFA it's non-suppressive.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by machwon04 View Post
    Looking to take something during the winter that causes the least amount of shutdown. Or something I can take along with a PH to minimize the effect, like an AI. Suggestions?
    The natural options are ARA,anabeta,transdermal ursolic acid and steak to be honest.

    If you're looking for a good ph thats mild and can do with otc pct then look to androfactory. Any in the androfactory line is great for some mild gains.

    Check out the AF logs and ara *xgels or xfactor* logs here on am. good products.

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  10. X Gels+Erase Pro is my favorite natty stack (I actually just use erase+reduce xt)

    Similar gains with the above stack to a mild PH (srs)
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  11. Plenty of natural options out there, but nothing that is hormonal. Tropinol XP and Intimidate SRT are good options.

  12. best way to minimize shut down is a low dose, short half life, pulse cycle with a very strong compound (SD, DMZ, Epi) dbol would probably still send you limp noodle... EPI is an A.I so that would be my choice

    id do something like this

    Epi
    30/40/40/40

    dosing (m/w/f only) early in the morning and working out right after still need full supports and a real SERM based 4 week PCT
    Your fastest weight is your best weight

  13. Best way to minimize sides is to not use exogenous hormones.

  14. Agreed...except you and I both know if he's here hes probably going to do them anyway :/
    Your fastest weight is your best weight

  15. Epi is an a.I.?

  16. I wouldn't use it in PCT (it's kind of like a more anabolic formastane) but in addition to being an anabolic steroid, epi also inhibits the aromatase enzyme or stops the enzyme from converting precursor hormones to estrogen the same way other AI's do. All that means Epi is dry and you wont likely get gyno (or suffer other estro sides) while using it but you will have to use a good AI taper at the end of PCT to prevent estro rebound.
    Your fastest weight is your best weight

  17. Quote Originally Posted by machwon04 View Post
    Looking to take something during the winter that causes the least amount of shutdown. Or something I can take along with a PH to minimize the effect, like an AI. Suggestions?
    Everything hormonal causes shut down. Nothing taken alongside a PH will minimize shutdown, AI's prevent estrogen production nothing to do with shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    Looking into SARMS. Ostarine is your best bet.
    This is a good suggestion Ostarine(Ostabol by Celtic Labs) has minimal shutdown but also minimal gains.

    Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    If there was no shut down, there would be no gainz.
    Incorrect if there was no shutdown there would be more gains it would be like cruising on test while taking orals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tansui View Post
    best way to minimize shut down is a low dose, short half life, pulse cycle with a very strong compound (SD, DMZ, Epi) dbol would probably still send you limp noodle... EPI is an A.I so that would be my choice

    id do something like this

    Epi
    30/40/40/40

    dosing (m/w/f only) early in the morning and working out right after still need full supports and a real SERM based 4 week PCT
    This whole post is retarded ignore it. Pusling is stupid take a ph or don't. Epi isn't an AI it's a steroid. I think his whole point is trying to avoid a serm.

    Basically compounds you are left with are 1-dhea, 4-dhea, 19nor-dhea, Dhea(Dermacrine, D-spray), 11-ketosterone, 11oxo(adrenosterone) maybe stanodrol or Ostarine(SARM).

  18. Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post
    This whole post is retarded ignore it. Pusling is stupid take a ph or don't. Epi isn't an AI it's a steroid. I think his whole point is trying to avoid a serm.
    I have no interest in a pissing contest...

    If you want to know what the benefits of pulsing are read for yourself:

    How to "pulse" orals

    If you want to know if Epi is an A.I AND a steroid read of yourself:

    Errant link removed [edit]

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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Tansui View Post
    I have no interest in a pissing contest... If you want to know what the benefits of pulsing are read for yourself: How to "pulse" orals If you want to know if Epi is an A.I AND a steroid read of yourself: Epi as an AI for test E cycle, maybe....? Epistane

    No, and no.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Kevinhim View Post

    No, and no.
    Agreed. Those threads r full of misinformation. Epi is merely androgenic and if that helps with gyno or lowers estrogen that is simply because of that fact but it is not an AI by any means. And I agree pulsing is just retarded.

  21. This feels like a thread jack and that was not my intent with a reply. Public sentiment is clearly against the concept of pulsing; being mindful of the current wind of group thought also know that many folks have mitigated sides and made gains with competing ideologies. I would never cycle anything with out a SERM...

    I've done 5 oral cycles... DR has me under the table as far as cycle experience goes and he seems like a sharp guy too. I do however happen to be an ocd riddled anal retentive learn it all, and the fact is that arguments against pulsing are as much broscience as the arguments for it, except that the arguments for it at least have an experience component to draw upon. One might also care to know that most prison cycles are pulsed dbol and winny they don't have the best SERMs in prison lol.

    End of the day you're an adult don't do anything you're not prepared to accept consequences for. Know the pros and cons both ways, and don't do anything cause I said it or because ANYONE else said to do it either. There's little clinical research with orals so that makes almost everything on this site broscience.

    Look up Epi use in Japan... where there is a high exposure to dietary estrogen...

    anyway im done...
    Your fastest weight is your best weight

  22. Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post

    celtic has a protomax clone out now. its methylated but seems to be mild with respect to sides and shutdown. you will still want a serm for pct. m4ohn would be another option. very similar to anavar in its effects. personally, i wouldn't bother with pulsing. if you run a compound that is strong enough to work with pulsing, you'll become shutdown anyway and get crap gains compared to just cycling it.
    So true

  23. If I were you and I wanted to be on something with minimal shutdown I would use 11-oxo low dose stacked with exemestane and possibly osta.

    I would also include var around 30 mgs but thats me..... anyways, if you want to avoid suppression just dont run anything tbh

  24. One word brah, xenoandrogens

  25. May have already been mentioned try some sarms..
  

  
 

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