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    Quote Originally Posted by Austinite
    There are 2 major components involved in recovery. Testosterone production and Spermatogenesis.

    LH and FSH are both required for the equation. LH is produced by the pituitary and stimulates the Leydig cells to produce testosterone. Once testosterone is in production it works alongside FSH and stimulates sertoli cells to produce sperm. Sperm production is hindered if either of these are unhealthy. They both work in synergy. You need BOTH to be at healthy levels.

    clomid has multiple effects. It's an anti-estrogen, so it obviously decreases the estrogenic effects in your body by stimulating the Hypothalamus back to life and sending gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) to your pituitary, so that LH/FSH can be secreted.

    Nolva boosts the effects of clomid because it put clomid into "competition" mode where they both fight for a receptors to bind to. This competitiveness will only occur with the presence of BOTH nolva/clomid, and will inevitably resolve the issue of excess estrogen in the Hypothalamus. This will trigger both LH and FSH to crank UP, as the high estrogen in this cluster is suppressive. This entire scenario is not as effective with only one drug.

    Furthermore varying the compounds; Since we know both stimulate LH, what most don't know is that the act is different. clomid boosts the amplitude of LH serum, but has no effect on the frequency. Nolvadex is the complete opposite in that area, where it boosts the actual frequency of LH and has no effect on its amplitude.

    You're probably assuming they're identical and overpowering... clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist for the estradiol receptor. Nolva is also mixed, however.... it is a pure antagonist in the E receptor in breast tissue. There is a reason that clomid is not recommended for gynecomastia reversal, but Nolva is.

    Can you recover with just Nolvadex, or just clomid? Well, anything is possible. But why would you take that risk if the combination gives you a much better chance? To save a few bucks and risk your health? clomid when coupled with Nolvadex is clearly the safer choice over using either compound individually.
    HCG Myth Debunked

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    There are 2 ways that could potentially desensitize Leydig Cells:

    1. Prolonged LH deprivation: When you inject steroids, your LH production is halted at the pituitary, remember? So if you continue in a suppressed state for weeks upon weeks, your Leydig Cells could potentially become unresponsive, or desensitized. It is possible to reverse desensitization of the cells, but that has been proven to be quite a difficult task. So when you use hCG on cycle, the mimicked LH analog will maintain stimulation of Leydig cells so that you don't run the risk of rendering them useless. This level of maintenance will ensure a much healthier and speedy recovery and one of the most important reasons to use hCG on cycle.

    2. Over stimulation/supplying of Leydig cells: There is no reason to use more than 500 IU of hCG at one time. And certainly not a good idea to run even that dose on a daily basis. You do not have an unlimited-ever-flowing-supply of Leydig cells. There is only so much stimulation hCG can do. What happens when you dose hCG really high, is that you're increasing intra-testicular estrogen. So you're thinking that you could use an aromatase inhibitor in that case, right? Nope. AI's are not effective treatment for intra-testicular e2. Furthermore; high doses is a surefire way to desensitize Leydig Cells. So we have a double whammy here. And this is just another reason to use hCG on cycle, and not "blast" hCG post cycle leading up to and/or during PCT.

    For the sake of preventing another debate, Rich Piana is clueless.
    Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz
    Now, I understand the proper usage of HCG on-cycle... generally advised at 250iu bi-weekly, sometimes at 500iu bi-weekly, but from the source I came across they referenced a study that basically said there's marginal benefit from HCG when pinning 250 vs 500 bi-weekly, so with that understanding I don't see the need to pin more than 250. That said, is there some limited duration to which HCG should be used on-cycle?

    I also heard conflicting information on long-term HCG use can possibly desensitize lydig cells to natural LH response. Any truth to that?
    There's only so many cells to stimulate, and the doses of 1500 weekly max, spread over 3 or more doses is sufficient enough. If long term therapy was dangerous at those doses, it would mean that our very own production would desensitize cells, doesnt make sense, does it? 250 IU is not necessarily the magic number. Your goal should be to use the least amount of hCG that works for you. Recently, discussing my concerns with the lead urologist in (some magical place out there somewhere), we came to conclude that for me, as a TRT patient, my usual dose of 250 twice weekly is excessive. So we are planning on reducing the dose to 100 IU, 3 times weekly. Note that this urologist is not my doctor, but a friend and partner in a clinical trial.

    Blasting hCG is unhealthy, and the increase in intratesticular E2, which cannot be managed with the commonly readily available aromatase inhibitors, is damaging.
    Also, HCG is generally started 4th week into a cycle, and ran till about 3 days prior to PCT. HCG is suppressive to natural LH production, since it mimics LH, so PCT and natural recovery doesn't start untill you're off HCG.

    References;

    http://www.steroidology.com/forum/an...ents-gyno.html

    and

    http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...reference.html

    Also useful tid-bit of info regarding sexual fluids;
    in reference to male/female sexuality, look into this:

    OM-CHI Herbs - EPISANDRA Enhanced Stamina and Sexual Drive
    Episandra compound is a proprietary blend of Chinese herbal extracts shown to have strong aphrodisiac properties and to improve general health. The herbs in this compound have all been used for centuries for these purposes in China, with excellent results.

    This product can be used by both men and women with no undesirable side effects and is safe for all people.

    Active Ingredients:
    Epimedium sagittatum: "Epimedii is a very powerful yang (male) tonic herb. It’s power ranks almost with the animal yang tonics…It’s name can be translated as "the herb for the man who likes sex too much, like a goat" or "passionate goat weed"…This is what Epimedii is famous for. Women, too, take this herb to increase their sexual drive…

    Schisandra is said to increase circulation in and sensitivity of the female genitals. Many women claim increased genital warmth and sensation after using Schisandra for a period of time "…for both men and women, Schisandra is considered to have aphrodisiac qualtities…it tends to contain sexual fluids until the appropriate time for their release. Thus, consuming Schisandra for a period of time, one tends to build up sexual fluids."
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    I am careful brother, I'm so full of care that I wanted to share quality products from a very respectable company to add to the list, variety is the spice of life... meant no harm, just spreading resources; happy cycling for everyone

    They're also not a stranger to this board, and I see plenty of ads for all kinds of RCs
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    I am careful brother, I'm so full of care that I wanted to share quality products from a very respectable company to add to the list, variety is the spice of life... meant no harm, just spreading resources; happy cycling for everyone

    They're also not a stranger to this board, and I see plenty of ads for all kinds of RCs
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Sponsored rc companies=okay. Non sponsored = nokay
    gotcha, thanks for the heads up
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    Sponsored rc companies=okay. Non sponsored = nokay
    They aren't technically sponsors. And that's not actually true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    I'm still running the same cycle I was running that caused the lump, and since I treated it a month ago, I haven't had the need to use an AI, nor had I had to buy more letro, nor had any more lumps grown from it. Truth be told tho I did lower the dosage (test/EQ) a little for the treatment, and haven't picked it back up since then.

    Soo make of that what you will, but I'm having no issues whatsoever
    still no lump by the way
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    ralox I would rec for the gyno IMO
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