Using Drugs to treat Gyno

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    not true, I got rid of my lumps with nolva and letro, I've known countless other people that have gotten rid of their lumps with ralox/aromasin or letro or wide range of other combinations of SERM/AI properly titrated. Sometimes tho you are correct, I've known a very small percentage where surgery was the only option because it was just deep-rooted tissue, but the only case I'm directly aware of where that happened was a guy who had pubertal gyno, which was compounded with the effects from further anabolic use. So, there's always extreme cases, but I would recommend exhausting all possible non-surgical options before considering surgery as the last resort
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post

    not true, I got rid of my lumps with nolva and letro, I've known countless other people that have gotten rid of their lumps with ralox/aromasin or letro or wide range of other combinations of SERM/AI properly titrated.

    Sometimes tho you are correct, I've known a very small percentage where surgery was the only option because it was just deep-rooted tissue, but the only case I'm directly aware of where that happened was a guy who had pubertal gyno, which was compounded with the effects from further anabolic use. So, there's always extreme cases, but I would recommend exhausting all possible non-surgical options before considering surgery as the last resort
    Once the lump is there it will resurface. Then you have to buy letro again.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Once the lump is there it will resurface. Then you have to buy letro again.
    I'm still running the same cycle I was running that caused the lump, and since I treated it a month ago, I haven't had the need to use an AI, nor had I had to buy more letro, nor had any more lumps grown from it. Truth be told tho I did lower the dosage (test/EQ) a little for the treatment, and haven't picked it back up since then.

    Soo make of that what you will, but I'm having no issues whatsoever

  4. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post

    I'm still running the same cycle I was running that caused the lump, and since I treated it a month ago, I haven't had the need to use an AI, nor had I had to buy more letro, nor had any more lumps grown from it. Truth be told tho I did lower the dosage (test/EQ) a little for the treatment, and haven't picked it back up since then.

    Soo make of that what you will, but I'm having no issues whatsoever
    Letro shrinks the size. Give it a month,2 ,8 . It'll come back. I will say this however. ..9 times outa 10 its prolactin gyno. This means a good preventative measure is caber,prami or something similar. Not the otc supplements. This will prevent it before it starts.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Letro shrinks the size. Give it a month,2 ,8 . It'll come back. I will say this however. ..9 times outa 10 its prolactin gyno. This means a good preventative measure is caber,prami or something similar. Not the otc supplements. This will prevent it before it starts.
    why would I have prolactin gyno when I'm not using any prolacting-inducing or raising substances? My gyno was from estrogen, because testosterone aromatizes. I've reduced it entirely with the help of nolva and letro (yes, letro shrinks it, and nolva breaks it up and unbinds it) These are all medically-validated cures, not "temporary protocols" (unless it's just too severe of a case) so I don't understand what you're getting at. If I have further issues down the road I'll go get bloodwork to confirm that my hormone levels are stable, this way I don't have to take unnecessary drugs for no reason, much less "caber for prolactin gyno" when I don't even have prolactin gyno.

    Thanks for the suggestions, but they simply don't apply to my particular case.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post

    why would I have prolactin gyno when I'm not using any prolacting-inducing or raising substances? My gyno was from estrogen, because testosterone aromatizes. I've reduced it entirely with the help of nolva and letro (yes, letro shrinks it, and nolva breaks it up and unbinds it) These are all medically-validated cures, not "temporary protocols" (unless it's just too severe of a case) so I don't understand what you're getting at. If I have further issues down the road I'll go get bloodwork to confirm that my hormone levels are stable, this way I don't have to take unnecessary drugs for no reason, much less "caber for prolactin gyno" when I don't even have prolactin gyno.

    Thanks for the suggestions, but they simply don't apply to my particular case.
    Oh dear...have some bad news for ya. You can inject testosterone and have high prolactin. I forget the mechanism but yes...you could have prolactin gyno.

    You may have had high prolactin when you were off cycle.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Oh dear...have some bad news for ya. You can inject testosterone and have high prolactin. I forget the mechanism but yes...you could have prolactin gyno.

    You may have had high prolactin when you were off cycle.
    lol again, I appreciate the input, but I know for 100% factual certainty that at this moment, while we are discussing, I have absolutely no gyno of any shape, form, fashion, or size. The concern, however, is much appreciated

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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Slappy244 View Post
    this man-titty thread sure has a lot of spam.
    What do you consider spam? I'm just throwing in some pictures and videos to liven it up a little, if it's not something you're interested in feel free to disregard. Spam, to me, is trying to advertise something. I'm not advertising anything in particular, just sharing information. Yes, it's a little bit of everything, but I've pretty much covered all there is to man titties in the first few posts, so I don't see the harm in posting some girls and some informative and motivational videos, unless I'm missing something

  10. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post

    Oh dear...have some bad news for ya. You can inject testosterone and have high prolactin. I forget the mechanism but yes...you could have prolactin gyno.

    You may have had high prolactin when you were off cycle.
    You're correct. My boy started lactating after a SD/ Halo cycle, neither aromatize but his prolactin was high.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post

    You're correct. My boy started lactating after a SD/ Halo cycle, neither aromatize but his prolactin was high.
    SD is known to do this. Testosterone tends to raise dopamine levels along with every other positive hormone. It can aromatize but if it boosts dopamine it's very difficult for testosterone to cause this. If you have prolactin gyno it's probably due to something being screwed up with thyroid.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by tinytony View Post

    SD is known to do this. Testosterone tends to raise dopamine levels along with every other positive hormone. It can aromatize but if it boosts dopamine it's very difficult for testosterone to cause this. If you have prolactin gyno it's probably due to something being screwed up with thyroid.
    Hmmm good to know

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    You're correct. My boy started lactating after a SD/ Halo cycle, neither aromatize but his prolactin was high.
    Sure but by my understanding SD is notorious for all kinds of problems on every level, user-dependent. Generally tho if you're just using compounds that convert to estrogen then prolactin issues shouldn't be a problem. Also, from all of the research I've ever come across the main theme seems to suggest that if you control estrogen, then prolactin should again be a non-issue since prolactin can only interact with breast tissue in the presence of high estrogen. Please school me if I'm wrong tho, am always open to expanding my understanding. Thanks

    edit-came in late, just read tinytony's response, all clear

  14. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post

    Sure but by my understanding SD is notorious for all kinds of problems on every level, user-dependent. Generally tho if you're just using compounds that convert to estrogen then prolactin issues shouldn't be a problem. Also, from all of the research I've ever come across the main theme seems to suggest that if you control estrogen, then prolactin should again be a non-issue since prolactin can only interact with breast tissue in the presence of high estrogen. Please school me if I'm wrong tho, am always open to expanding my understanding. Thanks

    edit-came in late, just read tinytony's response, all clear
    Most would agree with the low estrogen not allowing prolactin to cause gyno

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  16. Quote Originally Posted by tinytony View Post

    Most would agree with the low estrogen not allowing prolactin to cause gyno
    Agreed. Gotta keep estrogen low fur sure

  17. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    ^^hmm.. It seems war and peace are two sides of the same coin; two poles of the same energy. The world has both, so the only rational thing seems to be to accept both, and use where appropriate. So, not war, and not peace, but total war&peace together, or neither, since one can only happen in the background of the other, so just play the game the way it is and make the most of it

    Even destruction can be used creatively to make way for something new and better... evolution; balance of opposites
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    these are before and after surgery pics i found
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  18. Thank you

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  19. that's a ****in rad tattoo
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  20. Time to lift sum fukkin weights

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  21. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz
    ^^hmm.. It seems war and peace are two sides of the same coin; two poles of the same energy. The world has both, so the only rational thing seems to be to accept both, and use where appropriate. So, not war, and not peace, but total war&peace together, or neither, since one can only happen in the background of the other, so just play the game the way it is and make the most of it

    Even destruction can be used creatively to make way for something new and better... evolution; balance of opposites
    Quote Originally Posted by Slappy244 View Post
    neck'uh, i'm probably just as high as you, and i still have no idea what'chu talkin' 'bout
    Not sure I myself know what I'm talking about, but this much is true for sure;

    It seems war and peace are two sides of the same coin; two poles of the same energy. The world has both, so the only rational thing seems to be to accept both.

    The rest I'm not too sure about, I'm missing something somewhere. To put it simply; I'm not sure I understand entirely what peace is yet

  22. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    . . . To put it simply; I'm not sure I understand entirely what peace is yet
    eat psilocybin semilanceata or psilocybin cubensis and smoke some good bud, then go sit outside at sunset. the answers are there, you just need to look.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Slappy244 View Post

    eat psilocybin semilanceata or psilocybin cubensis and smoke some good bud, then go sit outside at sunset. the answers are there, you just need to look.
    Dem shroomies

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Slappy244 View Post
    eat psilocybin semilanceata or psilocybin cubensis and smoke some good bud, then go sit outside at sunset. the answers are there, you just need to look.
    Sorry brother, I spent 2.5 yrs in the army, so was trying to figure out from Dali Lama's quote/religious icon how one can achieve world peace;
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    It seems war and peace are two sides of the same coin; two poles of the same energy. The world has both, so the only rational thing seems to be to accept both.
    ^^This is true. But, to get WORLD peace, it has to start from the individual. So, violence creates more violence, and hate creates more hate. If me and you disagree on the basis of religion (pick any one on that crest, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism... basically put, if we disagree on the basis of our beliefs, and I start trying to prove to you that MY idea is right and YOUR idea is wrong, we would get in a conflict due to lack of understanding. Now, we may fight to support our beliefs, but that fighting would be useless; we would just be wasting energy, because neither of us is willing to understand the relative value in the other's belief system. Then we may hate each other, because each one thinks that THEY are right and the other is wrong, and this hatred and conflict will go on to poison our relationship in the future... The only way out of that, is for one of us to step out of the hateful circle, and drop the misunderstanding. In other words, hate breeds more hate, violence breeds more violence, and peace can only be achieved through understanding and nonviolence.

    To get global peace, it has to start from the understanding of each individual. If everyone is more understanding and accepting of another's ideas, and sidesteps any potentially violent altercations with nonaction and nonviolence, the party that's violent has nothing to fight against; conflict can only exist between two OPPOSING forces. So, if one force removes the opposition, the other force has nothing to fight against. And eventually we have brotherhood, harmony, and understanding... and we can help each other grow in our own ways by setting aside our differences for the common purpose of enjoying life and living happily.

    That seems to make sense.

    As for your suggestion, I've partaken in those plenty in my day... it's fun temporarily, can be beneficial, just don't get attached. Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing.

  25. This video may help clarify the above message;



    Now, what does that have to do with man titties and bodybuilding one might ask? EVERYTHING. I feel like I know a good amount about estrogen gyno, someone else may know about prolactin gyno, that doesn't mean that anyone is any more or less intelligent about the functions of gyno... and if a case happens, we can both benefit each other and expand our own understanding since some cases may require the treatment of both prolactin and estrogen to resolve... they're just two different expressions.

    The same thing with people choosing to use AAS or strictly PHs. Some people may want to use AAS, some may want to just use PH's but that doesn't mean that either one is any more or less right; they're just two different expressions, and one can benefit the knowledge and growth of the other. The same with any form of belief or any form of conflict, some people may prefer to eat cheezeburgers on a bulk, others may prefer lean chicken breast... they each have their relative value, no need to try and prove one is right or the other is wrong... I think if the other party eats the occasional cheezeburger, and the cheezeburger party eats the occasional lean chicken breast both would benefit and both would be enriched

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Slappy244 View Post
    eat psilocybin semilanceata or psilocybin cubensis and smoke some good bud, then go sit outside at sunset. the answers are there, you just need to look.
    ok, skip the weed. they can't test for mushies. shrooms are food for the soul.
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  27. Great post! thanks for sharing
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