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    Best non-methyl PH?


    First of all, are there any?

    If so, what would you recommend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGA3 View Post
    First of all, are there any?

    If so, what would you recommend?
    Alpha Mass & Trenavar stacked for a non methyl stack that should have very little liver impact. Is it the liver damage you are worried about?
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    non methyl prohormones!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
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    non methyl prohormones!!
    Kenpo as in Parker style?
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    Kenpo as in Parker style?
    Kenpo as in Parker style delivered through Tracy brothers. You?
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    Alpha Mass & Trenavar stacked for a non methyl stack that should have very little liver impact. Is it the liver damage you are worried about?
    Yep, and not having to use research chems for PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
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    non methyl prohormones!!
    I missed that thread - thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGA3 View Post
    Yep, and not having to use research chems for PCT.
    That is not how it works. You need a SERM for any cycle that will shut you down methyl vs non-methyl has nothing to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGA3 View Post

    Yep, and not having to use research chems for PCT.
    Androfactory has a line of liver friendly yet strong phs. Max bulk for instance I gained a good amount of weight in 4 weeks. Currently keeping 8 of the pounds.
    The whole line does not need a serm. Once a day dosing is pretty cool aswell. My blood work will be here soon to show my recovery with just otc stuff.15 %off code in my sig.


    That being said I know of a few other options too. Stano,lmg,11oxo,tren ect ect
    Tren needs a serm. The others at a low dose don't but at a good dose yeah. They do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Kenpo as in Parker style delivered through Tracy brothers. You?
    Same here, I got stuck though as I have no school near me to continue. My instructor years ago came from Springfield Ohio out of the Tracy school there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Androfactory has a line of liver friendly yet strong phs. Max bulk for instance I gained a good amount of weight in 4 weeks. Currently keeping 8 of the pounds.
    The whole line does not need a serm. Once a day dosing is pretty cool aswell. My blood work will be here soon to show my recovery with just otc stuff.15 %off code in my sig.


    That being said I know of a few other options too. Stano,lmg,11oxo,tren ect ect
    Tren needs a serm. The others at a low dose don't but at a good dose yeah. They do.

    Hope I helped.
    Not to start a pissing match but fact is people should use a SERM for everything in your post, its irresponsibly not to with out blood work. The only exception I might give in your post is to 11-oxo or maybe stano at dose of 500mg or below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    That is not how it works. You need a SERM for any cycle that will shut you down methyl vs non-methyl has nothing to do with it.
    I stand corrected.

    I guess I was thinking that non-methyls, being milder, would not shut the body down as much, consequently not requiring something as strong as a serm to get things going again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGA3 View Post

    I stand corrected.

    I guess I was thinking that non-methyls, being milder, would not shut the body down as much, consequently not requiring something as strong as a serm to get things going again!
    Now your gettin the big picture
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGA3 View Post
    I stand corrected.

    I guess I was thinking that non-methyls, being milder, would not shut the body down as much, consequently not requiring something as strong as a serm to get things going again!
    The degree of suppression can vary per hormone used to but with out blood work you do not know how your body has reacted. And the goal of any pct is to raise your Test levels as fast as possible while controlling your estrogen. If you want to keep any of your gains you need to have your test levels in check or you will not be able to sustain the increased muscle.

    That being said ~90% of the time people would recover on their own with no pct but that can take a variable amount of time and risk of gyno. So its better to be safe then sorry when it comes to pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    That being said ~90% of the time people would recover on their own with no pct but that can take a variable amount of time and risk of gyno.
    Isn't that kind of what Arnold, Franco and the gang did back in the 70's and 80's?

    Sure, they were using gear, but there was no mention of PCT or serms at all back then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGA3 View Post
    Isn't that kind of what Arnold, Franco and the gang did back in the 70's and 80's?

    Sure, they were using gear, but there was no mention of PCT or serms at all back then!
    I actually would guess they were on test year round but the average bros, probably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGA3 View Post
    Isn't that kind of what Arnold, Franco and the gang did back in the 70's and 80's?

    Sure, they were using gear, but there was no mention of PCT or serms at all back then!
    Yes, some of us brought this up not too long ago.....these guys from the 70's, 80's, 90's even really never used any sort of conventional PCT that we use currently.....but then again who is to say they were not on 365 like harbonah mentioned. I bet arnold was putting them dbols in his lucky charms all year round That being said, most of them look like total shyt when they stop.
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    Try anabolic growth kit from ams,,, mild but good... U dont need a serm arom-x pct from ans is good enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiduprasad View Post
    Try anabolic growth kit from ams,,, mild but good... U dont need a serm arom-x pct from ans is good enough
    Anyone ever do this stack double dosed with augmentor? Or run it for 12 weeks instead of 8?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post

    Yes, some of us brought this up not too long ago.....these guys from the 70's, 80's, 90's even really never used any sort of conventional PCT that we use currently.....but then again who is to say they were not on 365 like harbonah mentioned. I bet arnold was putting them dbols in his lucky charms all year round That being said, most of them look like total shyt when they stop.
    Hasn't Arnold already said hes on TRT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post

    Hasn't Arnold already said hes on TRT?
    he looked sloppy as hell for a minute there years ago....but maybe he hopped on some trt and gh. If i had his resources id be on full blown hrt ...We'll need up to date pics lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post

    he looked sloppy as hell for a minute there years ago....but maybe he hopped on some trt and gh. If i had his resources id be on full blown hrt ...We'll need up to date pics lol
    That I believe was from a lack of exercise. Plenty of test but no effort. Lazy/busy syndrome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    That I believe was from a lack of exercise. Plenty of test but no effort. Lazy/busy syndrome.
    Lazy, busy, and RICH syndrome perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGA3 View Post
    Lazy, busy, and RICH syndrome perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehogsters View Post
    Trest and Ment kick ass. A lot of bro's like tren but it killed my dikc fast.
    Trest is a methyl, although its a 7a methyl. I do see mostly good things about it other then a high likely hood for gyno.
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