Poll: For a 26 week blast: best addition to 250mg TestE/week?

Testosterone vs Equipose (Boldenone)

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  1. Not too sure on 'permanent EQ use' but long durations suit it as it takes a whole to kick in.

    In terms of its effect it does 'shape' more than say deca which adds more size but not exactly a hard look to it if you know what I mean? The vasculArity is from the increased red blood cell count. This could be an issue I would guess over time as it will effectively thicken the blood and raise your BP very high.

    If it's lean and hard you want a course of test and EQ could be finished with winni? Or ping in some masteron? Also keep and AI on the go to avoid excess water.


  2. I would personally add EQ at 600mg weekly, but that's just me
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    I would personally add EQ at 600mg weekly, but that's just me
    Is this what you've run in the past? If so, for how long, what was your test base amount, and what were your results?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by T boy View Post
    Not too sure on 'permanent EQ use' but long durations suit it as it takes a whole to kick in.

    In terms of its effect it does 'shape' more than say deca which adds more size but not exactly a hard look to it if you know what I mean? The vasculArity is from the increased red blood cell count. This could be an issue I would guess over time as it will effectively thicken the blood and raise your BP very high.

    If it's lean and hard you want a course of test and EQ could be finished with winni? Or ping in some masteron? Also keep and AI on the go to avoid excess water.
    This is good info, thanks T. I can't get into winni because I'm avoiding highly androgenic compounds at the moment, and only sticking with substances that are easy on the hairline. I'm still not 100% certain if I'm prone to MPB, my family has mixed genetics where some people from the same mother go bald and others don't, and I don't know where I fall, but I did feel like I shed a bit when I took superdrol 2 years ago.

    I don't know all that much about Masteron but I'll look into it. If you used it, I'd like to hear your experience. Thanks!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by pisces.style View Post
    Is this what you've run in the past? If so, for how long, what was your test base amount, and what were your results?
    You can use EQ with a test base, or with no test base... I wouldn't run it lower than 600 personally. I've also never used it without a test base, only ran it once and still running it... with test. It's very similar to testosterone in its anabolic activity... slow, lean, steady gains. Very minimal estrogen conversion, if any. Increased RBC count. Improved endurance. Good for aerobic type activity, as well as lifting in general. Awesome for vascularity. Also boosts appetite quite a bit... I would run it for at least 16 weeks for it to truly shine. The test base you proposed (250mg/wk) would be plenty, I've used it with 600mg test weekly... currently kind of blasting/cruising with it (the blast part would be peppered in orals here and there), I personally like it. Very lean anabolic, also pretty safe
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  6. It does seem some people will lose hair regardless. I haven't had a problem with kit effecting my hair but I know others who have; it's a tricky one! I wouldn't dare advise coz my hair is very strong and after my old man died he had grown hair his face, 2 weeks after the ****er died! I think it's just one of them where you do whatever and have no issues or you think about drinking a protein shake and it's all gone!!!

    There is some kit out there that people use to thicken hair and fight off balding. Worth a look maybe?

  7. I was on EQ in my avatar. The results from it are pretty negligible compared to most steroids. I didn't even notice anything from it until about week 10. Longer runs are a must which isn't a problem for you (26 weeks). Things I noticed after week 10 were great vascularity all the time, good pumps due to higher hematocrit maybe, slight leaning effect even with increased calories. Didn't do much for my appetite. Even at just a low dose, it would be good for a blast or cruise though for the collagen related effects.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by T boy View Post
    It does seem some people will lose hair regardless. I haven't had a problem with kit effecting my hair but I know others who have; it's a tricky one! I wouldn't dare advise coz my hair is very strong and after my old man died he had grown hair his face, 2 weeks after the ****er died! I think it's just one of them where you do whatever and have no issues or you think about drinking a protein shake and it's all gone!!!

    There is some kit out there that people use to thicken hair and fight off balding. Worth a look maybe?
    I'm weary of those kits to fight baldness; from what I understand, sometimes they can either do more harm than good, or you can become dependent on them. I'm reasonably happy with where I'm at, I just want to take it to the next level but the risk/reward ratio of using substances that can affect my sweet mane is just too high right now thanks though!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by BigKrabbe View Post
    I was on EQ in my avatar. The results from it are pretty negligible compared to most steroids. I didn't even notice anything from it until about week 10. Longer runs are a must which isn't a problem for you (26 weeks). Things I noticed after week 10 were great vascularity all the time, good pumps due to higher hematocrit maybe, slight leaning effect even with increased calories. Didn't do much for my appetite. Even at just a low dose, it would be good for a blast or cruise though for the collagen related effects.
    Okay, this is consistent with a lot of what I have read: longer cycle, leaning out, vascularity, etc. Good to know. Were you running in the 500-600mg per week range as well?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    You can use EQ with a test base, or with no test base... I wouldn't run it lower than 600 personally. I've also never used it without a test base, only ran it once and still running it... with test. It's very similar to testosterone in its anabolic activity... slow, lean, steady gains. Very minimal estrogen conversion, if any. Increased RBC count. Improved endurance. Good for aerobic type activity, as well as lifting in general. Awesome for vascularity. Also boosts appetite quite a bit... I would run it for at least 16 weeks for it to truly shine. The test base you proposed (250mg/wk) would be plenty, I've used it with 600mg test weekly... currently kind of blasting/cruising with it (the blast part would be peppered in orals here and there), I personally like it. Very lean anabolic, also pretty safe
    Definitely running with a test base of 250mg minimum unless I decide to but on a bit more mass during the winter months. I'm just tried of having to buy new suits and work shirts because they don't fit me anymore, haha. Also good to know that 250mmg of eq for week for a long cycle would be enough to see results. I'll start slow and see where I'm at in 4 months, and I'll report back to you guys along the way to let you know where my progress is at. Thanks man.

  11. Take the plunge!! A shaved head may suit you!!!!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by T boy View Post
    Take the plunge!! A shaved head may suit you!!!!
    Hahahaha, maybe, but only when I have no other options then I might as well become a tren freak.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by pisces.style View Post
    Also good to know that 250mmg of eq for week for a long cycle would be enough to see results.
    I'm not entirely sure where you gathered this, but I wouldn't suggest anything less than 600mg eq weekly. 250mg test base is plenty, but eq at anything less than 600 is likely to disappoint. Maybe if you're really sensitive, mayhaps 500 weekly would be ok. Feel it out for yourself. 600 for me was plenty, some guys run it past a gram, I'm not too fond of that idea (they're also usually about 1 and a half times my size... so sort of makes sense) up to you brosky, just wanted to clear up the apparent miscommunication

  14. I agree with biggie. I ran it at 800.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by BigKrabbe View Post
    I agree with biggie. I ran it at 800.
    Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    I'm not entirely sure where you gathered this, but I wouldn't suggest anything less than 600mg eq weekly. 250mg test base is plenty, but eq at anything less than 600 is likely to disappoint. Maybe if you're really sensitive, mayhaps 500 weekly would be ok. Feel it out for yourself. 600 for me was plenty, some guys run it past a gram, I'm not too fond of that idea (they're also usually about 1 and a half times my size... so sort of makes sense) up to you brosky, just wanted to clear up the apparent miscommunication
    Looks like I had a misunderstanding here, thanks for the correction. Since Biggie and I are about the same size (if your stats are correct), seems like it makes sense for me to run it at 600. BigK is a full 50lbs heavier than us which also makes sense that 800 mg was right for him. I'll dial up my dosage accordingly -- glad I got your feedback.

    One more thing - does it make sense to pin once a week or twice a week? What's your experience?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by pisces.style View Post

    One more thing - does it make sense to pin once a week or twice a week? What's your experience?
    my stats are accurate. It doesn't much matter if you pin once or twice... I pinned twice, but undecylenate is a super long ester so it really doesn't matter much. Keep in mind it's detectable in your blood up to 18 months past final injection, if that's something you care about or are worried about.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    my stats are accurate. It doesn't much matter if you pin once or twice... I pinned twice, but undecylenate is a super long ester so it really doesn't matter much. Keep in mind it's detectable in your blood up to 18 months past final injection, if that's something you care about or are worried about.
    Right on, thanks for the heads up -- I did know that, and it's not something I'm concerned. I'm doing this for myself because I had a lot of health issues growing up and I was very small (graduated high school at less than 120lbs at 5'11. A few years ago I got tired of being small and just decided I'm going to do whatever it takes to man-up. After a lot of discipline and hard work, I reached my genetic potential but I'm so addicted to self-improvement that I want to keep it up. I'll post before and after pictures of this cycle. Thanks guys.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by pisces.style View Post
    Right on, thanks for the heads up -- I did know that, and it's not something I'm concerned. I'm doing this for myself because I had a lot of health issues growing up and I was very small (graduated high school at less than 120lbs at 5'11. A few years ago I got tired of being small and just decided I'm going to do whatever it takes to man-up. After a lot of discipline and hard work, I reached my genetic potential but I'm so addicted to self-improvement that I want to keep it up. I'll post before and after pictures of this cycle. Thanks guys.
    can't improve on nature

    "if you think along the lines of nature, then you think properly" -C.G. Jung

  19. Just wanted to provide an update on my cycle for those of you who are interested.

    Summary of current cycle: 250mg Test E and 500mg Boldenone, pin every 4 days, currently on my 12th week.

    I have changed my workouts from strength training to high rep and high intensity training, tabata training, and calisthenics (as well as cardio, mainly from jump-rope, burpees, and mountain climbers).

    My results have been phenomenal. I have dropped almost 10 lbs in fat and/or water and retained an awesome muscular shape (I'm down to 181.5lbs right now). My girlfriend and friends keep telling me how ripped I look.

    I haven't been too strict with my diet because I need the energy, I'm clearly not eating to drop ridiculous amounts of body fat as I do have quite a bit of carbs and dietary fat on a daily basis (and **** tons of ice cream on the weekends) but in general I eat very clean:

    Breakfast: Protein shake with banana and almond milk, oatmeal, and green tea.
    Snack: egg sandwich with chorizo on english muffin or wheat wrap
    Lunch: White rice, black beans, steak or chicken, avocado, garden salad on the side
    Snack: protein shake
    Snack: turkey and cheese on whole wheat
    Dinner: Rice with beef, two boiled eggs, and asparagus
    Snack: protein shake

    I have to say that the first few weeks on boldenone were lackluster. I thought I had some bunk oil or some low-grade test. Didn't experience any strength gains, no anxiety, no increased blood pressure, and no appetite. But since everything I read said it was a long-term cycle with slow results, I stuck with it anyway.

    IT wasn't until about week 8 that I started to realize subtle differences. Appetite started to go up and I thought I started to see more definition around my chest and shoulders.

    It's evident to me now at week 12 that this is a great stack if you want to drop the water and fat weight from a previous bulking cycle while retaining a nice physique. My muscle size doesn't seem to have changed, if anything I actually look a little big bigger now that I'm more defined and shaped. I have to say though, it's sort of disappointing to see the strength go away, but it's very cool to look really lean and hard (and personally, I find girls are liking this a lot better than my bigger self, I get many more compliments).

    I plan on sticking with this cycle for at least another 8-12 weeks to see what I get out of it. Any comments or question, fire 'em away.

  20. Interesting, though I'd prob choose bold cyp over equipoise

  21. These are different steroids for different purposes
    If muscular gain is what you want, increase the testosterone. After a while, normally 500-750mg you'll find increasing the dose just increases acne and bloat ;D. At that point you lower the dose and add in nandrolone instead, this will be best for muscular gains

    If you already have the size, then equipoise is the logical choice. Now of course you can dose the equipoise very high and you get mutation. But for the cost, you're better off with other hormones. As you're "blasting" I assume you're after muscular gains. I'd up the test to 500 and add in dianabol. Then after the dbol up test to 750 for a few months. 500 test + 40mg dbol or 750mg of test will give massive gains compared to 250mg of test and 500 equipoise. The comparison isn't even close

  22. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    These are different steroids for different purposes
    If muscular gain is what you want, increase the testosterone. After a while, normally 500-750mg you'll find increasing the dose just increases acne and bloat ;D. At that point you lower the dose and add in nandrolone instead, this will be best for muscular gains

    If you already have the size, then equipoise is the logical choice. Now of course you can dose the equipoise very high and you get mutation. But for the cost, you're better off with other hormones. As you're "blasting" I assume you're after muscular gains. I'd up the test to 500 and add in dianabol. Then after the dbol up test to 750 for a few months. 500 test + 40mg dbol or 750mg of test will give massive gains compared to 250mg of test and 500 equipoise. The comparison isn't even close
    If things are going great for him, why would you post something like this?
    Are you trying to increase his side effects?
    Bold is testosterone with a 1-ene added on the structure.
    This changes the properties slightly, making it a less androgenic more anabolic compound, and decreases its ability to aromatize.

    If you want to get down to the science of it, it is a bit stupid to stack test, bold, dbol, as they are all very similar in structure to each other.

    This isn't saying you won't get more gains and sides from it, you upping the amount of androgens in your system, its saying why bother when its working great according to op.

  23. It's not "stupid" to stack test, bold and dbol

  24. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    It's not "stupid" to stack test, bold and dbol
    that's because your knowledge on steroid chemistry is non existent.

  25. uhuh really
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