Poll: For a 26 week blast: best addition to 250mg TestE/week?

Testosterone vs Equipose (Boldenone)

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  1. It does seem some people will lose hair regardless. I haven't had a problem with kit effecting my hair but I know others who have; it's a tricky one! I wouldn't dare advise coz my hair is very strong and after my old man died he had grown hair his face, 2 weeks after the ****er died! I think it's just one of them where you do whatever and have no issues or you think about drinking a protein shake and it's all gone!!!

    There is some kit out there that people use to thicken hair and fight off balding. Worth a look maybe?


  2. I was on EQ in my avatar. The results from it are pretty negligible compared to most steroids. I didn't even notice anything from it until about week 10. Longer runs are a must which isn't a problem for you (26 weeks). Things I noticed after week 10 were great vascularity all the time, good pumps due to higher hematocrit maybe, slight leaning effect even with increased calories. Didn't do much for my appetite. Even at just a low dose, it would be good for a blast or cruise though for the collagen related effects.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by T boy View Post
    It does seem some people will lose hair regardless. I haven't had a problem with kit effecting my hair but I know others who have; it's a tricky one! I wouldn't dare advise coz my hair is very strong and after my old man died he had grown hair his face, 2 weeks after the ****er died! I think it's just one of them where you do whatever and have no issues or you think about drinking a protein shake and it's all gone!!!

    There is some kit out there that people use to thicken hair and fight off balding. Worth a look maybe?
    I'm weary of those kits to fight baldness; from what I understand, sometimes they can either do more harm than good, or you can become dependent on them. I'm reasonably happy with where I'm at, I just want to take it to the next level but the risk/reward ratio of using substances that can affect my sweet mane is just too high right now thanks though!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by BigKrabbe View Post
    I was on EQ in my avatar. The results from it are pretty negligible compared to most steroids. I didn't even notice anything from it until about week 10. Longer runs are a must which isn't a problem for you (26 weeks). Things I noticed after week 10 were great vascularity all the time, good pumps due to higher hematocrit maybe, slight leaning effect even with increased calories. Didn't do much for my appetite. Even at just a low dose, it would be good for a blast or cruise though for the collagen related effects.
    Okay, this is consistent with a lot of what I have read: longer cycle, leaning out, vascularity, etc. Good to know. Were you running in the 500-600mg per week range as well?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    You can use EQ with a test base, or with no test base... I wouldn't run it lower than 600 personally. I've also never used it without a test base, only ran it once and still running it... with test. It's very similar to testosterone in its anabolic activity... slow, lean, steady gains. Very minimal estrogen conversion, if any. Increased RBC count. Improved endurance. Good for aerobic type activity, as well as lifting in general. Awesome for vascularity. Also boosts appetite quite a bit... I would run it for at least 16 weeks for it to truly shine. The test base you proposed (250mg/wk) would be plenty, I've used it with 600mg test weekly... currently kind of blasting/cruising with it (the blast part would be peppered in orals here and there), I personally like it. Very lean anabolic, also pretty safe
    Definitely running with a test base of 250mg minimum unless I decide to but on a bit more mass during the winter months. I'm just tried of having to buy new suits and work shirts because they don't fit me anymore, haha. Also good to know that 250mmg of eq for week for a long cycle would be enough to see results. I'll start slow and see where I'm at in 4 months, and I'll report back to you guys along the way to let you know where my progress is at. Thanks man.

  6. Take the plunge!! A shaved head may suit you!!!!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by T boy View Post
    Take the plunge!! A shaved head may suit you!!!!
    Hahahaha, maybe, but only when I have no other options then I might as well become a tren freak.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by pisces.style View Post
    Also good to know that 250mmg of eq for week for a long cycle would be enough to see results.
    I'm not entirely sure where you gathered this, but I wouldn't suggest anything less than 600mg eq weekly. 250mg test base is plenty, but eq at anything less than 600 is likely to disappoint. Maybe if you're really sensitive, mayhaps 500 weekly would be ok. Feel it out for yourself. 600 for me was plenty, some guys run it past a gram, I'm not too fond of that idea (they're also usually about 1 and a half times my size... so sort of makes sense) up to you brosky, just wanted to clear up the apparent miscommunication

  9. I agree with biggie. I ran it at 800.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by BigKrabbe View Post
    I agree with biggie. I ran it at 800.
    Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    I'm not entirely sure where you gathered this, but I wouldn't suggest anything less than 600mg eq weekly. 250mg test base is plenty, but eq at anything less than 600 is likely to disappoint. Maybe if you're really sensitive, mayhaps 500 weekly would be ok. Feel it out for yourself. 600 for me was plenty, some guys run it past a gram, I'm not too fond of that idea (they're also usually about 1 and a half times my size... so sort of makes sense) up to you brosky, just wanted to clear up the apparent miscommunication
    Looks like I had a misunderstanding here, thanks for the correction. Since Biggie and I are about the same size (if your stats are correct), seems like it makes sense for me to run it at 600. BigK is a full 50lbs heavier than us which also makes sense that 800 mg was right for him. I'll dial up my dosage accordingly -- glad I got your feedback.

    One more thing - does it make sense to pin once a week or twice a week? What's your experience?
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by pisces.style View Post

    One more thing - does it make sense to pin once a week or twice a week? What's your experience?
    my stats are accurate. It doesn't much matter if you pin once or twice... I pinned twice, but undecylenate is a super long ester so it really doesn't matter much. Keep in mind it's detectable in your blood up to 18 months past final injection, if that's something you care about or are worried about.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    my stats are accurate. It doesn't much matter if you pin once or twice... I pinned twice, but undecylenate is a super long ester so it really doesn't matter much. Keep in mind it's detectable in your blood up to 18 months past final injection, if that's something you care about or are worried about.
    Right on, thanks for the heads up -- I did know that, and it's not something I'm concerned. I'm doing this for myself because I had a lot of health issues growing up and I was very small (graduated high school at less than 120lbs at 5'11. A few years ago I got tired of being small and just decided I'm going to do whatever it takes to man-up. After a lot of discipline and hard work, I reached my genetic potential but I'm so addicted to self-improvement that I want to keep it up. I'll post before and after pictures of this cycle. Thanks guys.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by pisces.style View Post
    Right on, thanks for the heads up -- I did know that, and it's not something I'm concerned. I'm doing this for myself because I had a lot of health issues growing up and I was very small (graduated high school at less than 120lbs at 5'11. A few years ago I got tired of being small and just decided I'm going to do whatever it takes to man-up. After a lot of discipline and hard work, I reached my genetic potential but I'm so addicted to self-improvement that I want to keep it up. I'll post before and after pictures of this cycle. Thanks guys.
    can't improve on nature

    "if you think along the lines of nature, then you think properly" -C.G. Jung

  14. Just wanted to provide an update on my cycle for those of you who are interested.

    Summary of current cycle: 250mg Test E and 500mg Boldenone, pin every 4 days, currently on my 12th week.

    I have changed my workouts from strength training to high rep and high intensity training, tabata training, and calisthenics (as well as cardio, mainly from jump-rope, burpees, and mountain climbers).

    My results have been phenomenal. I have dropped almost 10 lbs in fat and/or water and retained an awesome muscular shape (I'm down to 181.5lbs right now). My girlfriend and friends keep telling me how ripped I look.

    I haven't been too strict with my diet because I need the energy, I'm clearly not eating to drop ridiculous amounts of body fat as I do have quite a bit of carbs and dietary fat on a daily basis (and **** tons of ice cream on the weekends) but in general I eat very clean:

    Breakfast: Protein shake with banana and almond milk, oatmeal, and green tea.
    Snack: egg sandwich with chorizo on english muffin or wheat wrap
    Lunch: White rice, black beans, steak or chicken, avocado, garden salad on the side
    Snack: protein shake
    Snack: turkey and cheese on whole wheat
    Dinner: Rice with beef, two boiled eggs, and asparagus
    Snack: protein shake

    I have to say that the first few weeks on boldenone were lackluster. I thought I had some bunk oil or some low-grade test. Didn't experience any strength gains, no anxiety, no increased blood pressure, and no appetite. But since everything I read said it was a long-term cycle with slow results, I stuck with it anyway.

    IT wasn't until about week 8 that I started to realize subtle differences. Appetite started to go up and I thought I started to see more definition around my chest and shoulders.

    It's evident to me now at week 12 that this is a great stack if you want to drop the water and fat weight from a previous bulking cycle while retaining a nice physique. My muscle size doesn't seem to have changed, if anything I actually look a little big bigger now that I'm more defined and shaped. I have to say though, it's sort of disappointing to see the strength go away, but it's very cool to look really lean and hard (and personally, I find girls are liking this a lot better than my bigger self, I get many more compliments).

    I plan on sticking with this cycle for at least another 8-12 weeks to see what I get out of it. Any comments or question, fire 'em away.

  15. Interesting, though I'd prob choose bold cyp over equipoise

  16. These are different steroids for different purposes
    If muscular gain is what you want, increase the testosterone. After a while, normally 500-750mg you'll find increasing the dose just increases acne and bloat ;D. At that point you lower the dose and add in nandrolone instead, this will be best for muscular gains

    If you already have the size, then equipoise is the logical choice. Now of course you can dose the equipoise very high and you get mutation. But for the cost, you're better off with other hormones. As you're "blasting" I assume you're after muscular gains. I'd up the test to 500 and add in dianabol. Then after the dbol up test to 750 for a few months. 500 test + 40mg dbol or 750mg of test will give massive gains compared to 250mg of test and 500 equipoise. The comparison isn't even close

  17. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    These are different steroids for different purposes
    If muscular gain is what you want, increase the testosterone. After a while, normally 500-750mg you'll find increasing the dose just increases acne and bloat ;D. At that point you lower the dose and add in nandrolone instead, this will be best for muscular gains

    If you already have the size, then equipoise is the logical choice. Now of course you can dose the equipoise very high and you get mutation. But for the cost, you're better off with other hormones. As you're "blasting" I assume you're after muscular gains. I'd up the test to 500 and add in dianabol. Then after the dbol up test to 750 for a few months. 500 test + 40mg dbol or 750mg of test will give massive gains compared to 250mg of test and 500 equipoise. The comparison isn't even close
    If things are going great for him, why would you post something like this?
    Are you trying to increase his side effects?
    Bold is testosterone with a 1-ene added on the structure.
    This changes the properties slightly, making it a less androgenic more anabolic compound, and decreases its ability to aromatize.

    If you want to get down to the science of it, it is a bit stupid to stack test, bold, dbol, as they are all very similar in structure to each other.

    This isn't saying you won't get more gains and sides from it, you upping the amount of androgens in your system, its saying why bother when its working great according to op.

  18. It's not "stupid" to stack test, bold and dbol

  19. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    It's not "stupid" to stack test, bold and dbol
    that's because your knowledge on steroid chemistry is non existent.

  20. uhuh really

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    If things are going great for him, why would you post something like this?
    Are you trying to increase his side effects?
    Bold is testosterone with a 1-ene added on the structure.
    This changes the properties slightly, making it a less androgenic more anabolic compound, and decreases its ability to aromatize.

    If you want to get down to the science of it, it is a bit stupid to stack test, bold, dbol, as they are all very similar in structure to each other.

    This isn't saying you won't get more gains and sides from it, you upping the amount of androgens in your system, its saying why bother when its working great according to op.

    Hey Jbry -- thanks for the balanced counter argument. I am happy with the leaning out I have experienced -- my agility, definition, and endurance have increased from when I was at the 190s lbs (weighed in at 179 last night).

    To be fair to Alex, one of the reasons I decided to lean out is because I had hit a plateau on growing at around 193-195, partially due to an injury (I have since recovered). My weight was coming on as I was eating like a horse, but my strength wasn't rising proportionately, I pushed too hard, and out came the shoulder.

    I'm fairly new to cycling -- this is my 4th cycle, and I have taken a slow approach to understand how substances affect my body. The most I have really done on any cycle is 500mg of test, and that brought me to the 190lbs range.

    Another reason I chose Test and Eq was because this combination seemed easy on the hairline. I don't think I'm losing hair (I lose some in the shower, I'm guessing everyone does) but I'm weary of going with a substance that straight up speeds up hair loss. At the same time, I've been on test for almost a year straight and I don't think I'm going bald (maybe this means I'm safe?).

    Are there any tips that you can provide or stacks that you recommend to help me reach the next level, bulk wise? I'm willing to try almost anything as long as I have enough information -- give me your tips and I'll research the rest. I have been very tempted to run a Test E + Tren E cycle, but friends who have done this have advised me against it. They have literally told me that tren makes their pen1s small (and one of them supposedly didn't recover his size even after 2 years of not doing Tren).

    To alex's point, I have heard that Dbol is a great kicker with test; I had never come across anyone who didn't like that mix.

  22. Who are these friends saying trens making their penis small? Are they rock munchers? What the f?! Been on for 3 weeks and my members damn near perma-wood from caber and test. Definitely has not shrunk one bit.
    I'm just a dude chasing a dream

  23. Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Who are these friends saying trens making their penis small? Are they rock munchers? What the f?! Been on for 3 weeks and my members damn near perma-wood from caber and test. Definitely has not shrunk one bit.
    Hey man, I can't promise you what they got was Tren and I certainly didn't measure their "member" but one of the guys was my cousin who has more experience with juice than I do. He said his peepee shrunk enough that even his girlfriend noticed it was smaller. His buddy who ran the same thing, said the same thing. Like I said -- idk -- but when someone tells you something you're about to do might shrink your pipe -- you listen!

    So can you tell me about your experience with Tren? What dose, what are you running it with, how long, progress, etc? I'd appreciate the insight bud!

  24. Ive ran Test, DECA, EQ and Dbol all at once. Blew me up and sides weren't bad. Just a little water from the Dbol.. By far easier to deal with than Tren sides.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Zac Speed View Post
    Ive ran Test, DECA, EQ and Dbol all at once. Blew me up and sides weren't bad. Just a little water from the Dbol.. By far easier to deal with than Tren sides.
    Can you tell me more about the cycle duration, dosage, progress and sides?

  26. I ran 500mg Sustanon (test blend), 250mg DECA, 250mg EQ weekly and 50mg Dbol daily. I had arimidex on hand. The only sides I noticed were a slight water retention from the Dbol and oily skin which is pretty much me on any cycle. I dont do Dbol anymore though because for me it seemed to make me angry.. All the time. I wanted to kick baby seals.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Zac Speed View Post
    I ran 500mg Sustanon (test blend), 250mg DECA, 250mg EQ weekly and 50mg Dbol daily. I had arimidex on hand. The only sides I noticed were a slight water retention from the Dbol and oily skin which is pretty much me on any cycle. I dont do Dbol anymore though because for me it seemed to make me angry.. All the time. I wanted to kick baby seals.
    Thanks for the tips. Good to know about Dbol, I've been wanting to give that a try but knowing I am already prone to some anger issues, maybe I should reconsider.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by pisces.style View Post
    Hey man, I can't promise you what they got was Tren and I certainly didn't measure their "member" but one of the guys was my cousin who has more experience with juice than I do. He said his peepee shrunk enough that even his girlfriend noticed it was smaller. His buddy who ran the same thing, said the same thing. Like I said -- idk -- but when someone tells you something you're about to do might shrink your pipe -- you listen! So can you tell me about your experience with Tren? What dose, what are you running it with, how long, progress, etc? I'd appreciate the insight bud!
    Working my way in, first time with tren e. 400 test 200 tren every week. Strength is absurd. Sexual function is fantastic. My girls walking funny permanently. Gym performance is getting better now that my water weight and bp are controlled... Happens every time I use test. As far as duration it's until I get sick of not sleeping then I'll just cruise on 200 test cyp. Right now strength is absurd, anger is getting there. Trenpurtantrums are becoming a regular occurrence, granted I'd probably be just as mad not on drugs

    As far as dbol, I've used tons of it. Great feel good drug. No anger issues. Just blood pressure from the water bloat. Strength is good. There's a nice overall sense of well being I get with it.
    I'm just a dude chasing a dream

  29. Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Working my way in, first time with tren e. 400 test 200 tren every week. Strength is absurd. Sexual function is fantastic. My girls walking funny permanently. Gym performance is getting better now that my water weight and bp are controlled... Happens every time I use test. As far as duration it's until I get sick of not sleeping then I'll just cruise on 200 test cyp. Right now strength is absurd, anger is getting there. Trenpurtantrums are becoming a regular occurrence, granted I'd probably be just as mad not on drugs

    As far as dbol, I've used tons of it. Great feel good drug. No anger issues. Just blood pressure from the water bloat. Strength is good. There's a nice overall sense of well being I get with it.
    Fantastic dude, this is exactly what I wanted to know. I am interested in trying tren at a low dose as well - in the 200-250 range like you -- so it's good to hear that you're having a good experience with it. I often hear of running tren at higher levels for maximum gains, but for my first try, I'd prefer to start lower to avoid sides, especially with a long enanthate ester.

    Any hairline issues at this dose?

  30. Good luck avoiding trendagestion and any dose..
  

  
 

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