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I have been lifting for a couple years with a friend and we both weigh 155-160 but just recently decided to actually eat a lot and gain a lot of muscle mass. We were looking into something that wasn't hormonal or maybe a very mild pro hormone that with the right pre cautions wouldn't have any negative side effects in the long run. At first I was looking into hyperdrol x2 and mass fx, until I found out they weren't made anymore. I couldn't find out why, I read they had illegal substances hidden in them. I know mass fx destroyer and hard fx replaced them, but I haven't been able to find if they give good gains too, or not anymore since they were changed. Are there any other supplements like these that will work very good? My testosterone levels should be fine already, but they should be going up until my mid to late 20s, I'm just wanting pro hormone like gains, with out the side effects of possible hormone endocrine system problems later on. I've also read a little on x factor, DAA, and activate xtreme. Are there any others like this that could work really well but not shut down any natural production that my body already does and could possibly do more of later on? If these aren't promising then I will consider a mild pro hormone. I also do not want to lose any gains as much as possible when I am done with whatever cycle. Are halodrol liquid gels considered pro hormones? Are they even still available? I've read that they are and aren't and that some people say they do and don't need Post Cycle Therapy.. We both plan to use whatever we decide to bulk, and at the end of the cycle start to cut.
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What all are each of the supplements you are taking used for? We are looking for something a little more simple, not a real big stack. Also, if we do decide to go with a pro hormone, we would prefer something legal and something that would be perfectly safe with all legal post cycle supplements. Because I do not know how to get anything illegal as of now. But would prefer something natural to start anyways.
ALCAR (helps with absorption)
Micronized Glycerol Monostearate will help with absorption and retention among other things
Anabeta Elite Anabeta Elite: A combination of Anabeta, Forskolin and 5-Androsten-3B7B-diol-17-one (an active that 7-oxo converts to). Anabeta has numerous reports showing an increase in hunger and test boosting, Forskolin has Human Data showing reduction in body fat and increase in lean muscle mass and the 5-Androsten-3B7B-diol-17-one is there to control cortisol.
X-Gels: Contains Arachidonic Acid. Has Human Data showing increases in strength. It also converts to PGF alpha2 (and other prostaglandins) which is necessary for tissue growth and repair. Combine this with the potential for increased localized inflammation (which facilitates the shuttling of nutrients to the site).
To be honest all the "Legal" PH that are out there will need some kind of SERM and while legal it doesnt sound like the kind of thing you are wanting to dive into and those that dont need a serm and are ok with an OTC PCT like "Max Bulk" are rather expensive but effective if ran properly. This stack can be ran for 50days for about 200bucks and you wont be needing a PCT because you are not adding outside hormones so you wont be shut down at all. This stack is 4 things 3 of which you take mainly in the AM so its simple and will complement your recent increase of calories.
What's your weight? Your both pretty light to be running anything hormonal still. You both still have quite a ways you can go relatively easily naturally just by eating big (and clean) and a proper training regiment.
Also, how old are you?
Both 21 and both right around 160. This is our first time actually bulking, we've always tried to just stay cut and had no intention of getting bigger until lately. I just liked the idea of year long gains in a couple months that some people get. But I know that's only if I go with something pretty strong and I don't want to do that. I'd like to stay with something natural for now like I said but am not afraid to try one of the safest pro hormones. Non methylated of course. Is there anything natural that can give gains like h-drol , epistane, or p-mag? I don't know a whole lot about pro hormones yet because I'm still looking to completely rule out something natural before I get too far into it.
Sounds like op is to immature to use anabolics even if he was 25+. Just started eating to gain mass? So you wasted 2 years of traning for no reason? Also op, if your dead set on it I've heard havoc is good, and also you could try xtreme dmz that comes with OTC pct. I would also get some hawthorn berry and milk thistle also. The dmz has some liver supports also so yeah, not incredible strength gains but mass is ehh alright. Stay safe.
Also we eat really well, I am trying to get 3700 calories a day. Both getting 160+ grams of protein. I will look more into the x-gels and anabeta stack. Any other suggestions? Are any of the ones I already mentioned good maybe stacked with something else or each other if it can really help?
We just now started eating to bulk.. We've always eaten a lot, just rather low on carbs up until recently.
I forgot to add we are both using Creatine plus protein, vitamins, and a pre workout.
1.5 grams ARA, 9 grams GMS, 2 grams LCLT. Boom there's your stack. Enjoy.
The time spent in the gym and the amount of food eaten though is truly going to dictate your gains Suplementing just helps.
and if you dont believe me take it from a pro
3700 cals at 160 should be putting on a tremendous amount of weight. More food, less cardio, protein should be almost twice that much.. Food and heavy lifting and more food.