Non Hormonal or Very Mild Pro Hormone
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As far as your next "point" is concerned, because the definition of "healthy" eating is always subject to interpretation, in some ways you are correct. Contrarily, a diet skewed too far toward one end of the spectrum won't produce the OP's intended gains. 3kcals worth of Cheetos isn't gonna have the same outcome as 3kcals of turkey breast and broccoli, catch my drift?
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10-16-2013, 08:14 PM
To answer your question an OTC PCT is secondary to a serm when running a pH If you don't want to buy a serm I wouldn't mess with pH's you may gain some weight but u will loose it when u stop taking it because your natural hormones will be so out of whack.
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10-17-2013, 11:22 AM
Honestly, we got off base with this thread. You need to learn more about diet having recently started "eating a lot to get big"
You'll be so much better off doing a lot of reading over the next year or two while dialing in a good bulking diet.
10-17-2013, 11:58 AM
10-17-2013, 01:00 PM
I have a pretty good diet and have been reading on it for a while before I started it. I appreciate all the responses. Still just trying to learn more on what I should consider looking into now for when I'm ready. I would much rather spend a little extra money on something I know would actually give me gains that I could keep, like a pro hormone if done right, then waste it on something like X factor or x gels that may work for me. So what is one of the most mild non methylated ones that has been around a while? And how would it compare to gains on ARA or is it too hard to tell? Also are pro hormones safer than designer steroids?
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10-17-2013, 01:25 PM
2. Don't fcuk with your hormones. Stay natty until your t levels start to drop (25-35 for most males). The risk is not worth the reward. You JUST STARTED learning how to eat, try that for a while and enjoy your new guy gains.
3. Thank me in five years, I'll still be here saying the same shlt.
10-17-2013, 02:29 PM
I already knew most things people say are pro hormones are actually designer steroids I just didn't know which was the safer option.
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10-17-2013, 02:46 PM
That is what I was looking for. Now does anyone have any ideas on which ones I should start reading on now that way I have as much knowledge about it as possible when it comes the right time for me to do my first cycle? And to be honest I was planning on just doing one cycle for some quick gains. I am not looking to get huge or be a body builder. I'm more into physique but I of course still need to gain a lot more for that too.
10-17-2013, 02:47 PM
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10-17-2013, 02:51 PM
you don't need to cycle man. it should be treated as a last resort imo, when you feel like your body has "maxed" out and you need that little extra assistance to help get you to the next level. if you want an athletic physique it is totally possible natural, get these prohormone thoughts out of your consciousness bro! eat, train, and grow!!
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10-17-2013, 02:59 PM
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10-18-2013, 11:18 AM
By safer I mean the least possible side effects, I should have worded it differently. I'm mostly worried about gyno. And if the liver regenerates itself why is it such a concern with pro hormones? I know it's never good to have liver problems and I honestly don't know how it works, just seeing if anyone had a quick answer. And for even something like Maxbulk would you still recommend a serm? I've seen a lot of people say you don't need one for it.
10-18-2013, 11:52 AM
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