- 10-17-2013, 05:56 PM
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10-17-2013, 06:05 PM
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10-17-2013, 06:30 PM
10-17-2013, 06:39 PM
10-17-2013, 06:57 PM
10-17-2013, 07:20 PM
You won't gain any extra WEIGHT if you hit you cals via sh*t food. It will however have a drastic impact on what your weight is made up of. Hit your cals by eating twinkies and ho hos and you will stay the same weight... and you'll also have the consistency of a bag of lard.
What do you care anyway? You're about to lose any gains you made as it is. Hope your pop tarts have Clomid in them. No amount of food, good or sh*tty, is going to keep muscle on you in your PCT.
10-17-2013, 08:31 PM
From my considerable time on AM, I'd wager that 90% of the people who say "diet is in check" are totally full of shyt. I don't think this is any different; you think you're following IIFYM, you think everything posted in response to your issue is bro science, so why even ask?
You have no idea how to run a cycle, yet here you are wondering why your piss poor planning isn't working like magic fairy muscle dust.
If you're trolling, you win, you got me. If not, pull the fawking needle out of your ass and figure out how to eat & train.
I'm out, fawk this thread.
Don't worry, man, someday I'ma be nobody too.
10-17-2013, 08:36 PM
10-17-2013, 08:39 PM
10-17-2013, 08:42 PM
I track every calorie and macro exactly. I don't just "eat a lot" and actually get 2k calories a day.
I use myfitnesspal btw
10-17-2013, 08:56 PM
Damn, every time I turn and take a glance at a thread, I see you wanting answers and then arguing with them. Nice first month here. Stop trolling or start learning. Please.
10-17-2013, 09:00 PM
10-17-2013, 09:05 PM
But it may be your training and diet that are causing you to stall. Ya' dig?
Diet and programming play a large role in progression, even when on the sauce.
10-17-2013, 09:09 PM
Weird, because I love getting to the bottom of issues by utilizing those here that are more knowledgeable than I on aas, competition, training and diet. It must be a combination of humility and desire to learn. Because I don't know everything.
10-17-2013, 09:39 PM
I've seen some of the more experienced loggers here talk about eating foods that pack way more fat and empty calories than some ****ing pop tarts. Ever see Jay Cutlers fat ass off season? Plus he's using dimethazine....poptarts here and there arent going to make him fat as long as he's not going overboard. I'm sorry but some of the biggest bodybuilders eat literal shyt. To bulk up. If you don't know that then I don't know what to tell you. Could ATD bring his test levels back to normal? Its possible but a serm is best
10-17-2013, 09:54 PM
I did increase the dosage and I'm doing it mainly to get my cycle over with faster so I can cut.
The thing I'm worried about is keeping gains now. People are saying without a SERM you lose all gains but that can't be true. Granted I would keep more probably with a SERM but I've seen logs of OTC and they turn out fine. As long as I don't run a harsh cycle like dmz again with OTC I should be fine hopefully?
Also how long after the last dose of the cycle should I safely be able to drop the calories and cut? 1 month?
10-17-2013, 10:32 PM
10-17-2013, 10:35 PM
Cutting during PCT isn't a recommended practice. PCT is the time to solidify gains. You may not lose all of your gains with your herbal homeopathic PCT. Gains should be the least of your worries though, your shutdown HPTA system should be your worry. Research negative feedback loop and find out why your balls are shrinking. Then research clomid and how it is used to essentially "reboot" the HPTA (there are other SERMs, but I don't feel like mentioning all of them).
Most any cycle of methylated compounds is going to shut you down. Sure, some people come out fine, or think they did because they feel no ill effects initially. Bloodwork is the only true way to see if you've recovered. There's a lot of parrots on here that are gonna say "no SERM, no cycle" because that's what their bro told them. There's others on here that say that because they did it, and fcuked themselves up. Either way, it's the "safer route".
As far as cutting cals, I wouldn't do that until after PCT, but that's just my $.02.
10-17-2013, 11:05 PM
10-17-2013, 11:40 PM
You are the one asking for help about how much DMZ you should be taking and a everything because you aren't gaining. Everyone is different in different parts of the cycle. Going to 60 helped me but honestly man, 60mg and no SERM may not be the brightest idea. It doesn't matter if people used to do it. People did a lot of stupid sh*t. Its 2013, just explore your recourses next time. You obviously care about results so do more research next time.
You aren't just going to be a new man after a cycle. I had that mindset and was disappointed. You have to understand it is just a little boost that you must capitalize on. PCT is the end all be all. Equally important as the cycle if not more important because its far more challenging than gaining from PH in the first place. I would not cut cals at a in PCT.
I think you are more knowledgeable than it first appeared so just keep focused. I'd prob throw together a serious OTC concoction of you won't buy a SERM.
10-17-2013, 11:54 PM
10-18-2013, 12:21 AM
10-18-2013, 12:25 AM
10-18-2013, 12:40 AM
Honestly, once you have done DMZ any other PH that is weak enough for a sufficient OTC post cycle would seem like nothing. I was lazy on the SERM thing too my first time but its really easy man. I should not have hesitated. Just takes a few weeks to arrive most the time so be sure to have it before yoy start another harsh compound... if you do.
I did 2 AMS Growth Kits back to back in 6 weeks and got ok results and ran OTC post cycle. Honestly, in my experience it wasnt any better than running Triazole/Activate Xtreme/daa. Sounds crazy but that natty run actually gave me a little insomnia and crazy dreams like some people get from PHs. I also got almost as strong as I did on hdrol.
10-18-2013, 01:06 AM
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