- 10-05-2013, 07:49 PM
I want to start a new PH cycle and since the times have changed I was wondering if any of you had and suggestions/ recommendations on a possibly better PH I could take?
24 y/o M
I've ran 2 cycles of Halovar in the past with a liver shield and Recycle as my PCT.
Should I stick with Halovar again or try something new? I'm not sure on whats trending on the market right now.
My goal right now is to bulk up since winter is coming.
- 10-05-2013, 07:58 PM
You tell us. How were your results on Halovar? Did you get hit with sides? How well were you able to maintain gains PCT? If it worked well then there's no harm in running it again. Most people will tell you to step up your PCT and get away from the OTC products this time, though.
- 10-05-2013, 08:26 PM
Try some PMag with better supporting supps and pct
10-05-2013, 08:32 PM
Before my first cycle I was weighting at a good 125(I was a wrestler). I gained a good 30+ pounds from it and I felt no side effects.
I'm just wondering if there is a better PH that's more efficient and less side effects.
I'll check out Pmag thanks. I also saw that nolvadex was a good PCT
10-05-2013, 08:42 PM
Nolva is great but opt for Clomid if you decide to run a Halovar cycle again. Nolva has adverse effects with progestins so avoid it in the PCT of any tren-based cycle.
10-05-2013, 09:02 PM
Thanks man I'll definitely check out Clomid. I might just stick to Halovar again but I'm still going to do more research to see if there are better options.
10-05-2013, 09:08 PM
There certainly are stronger compounds but knowing you respond so well to Halovar with minimal to no reported sides I'd get your money's worth out of it again. It's said that running the same stack loses it's touch after multiple runs but even if you get a fraction of what you managed the first time then it's worth it if you ask me.
10-05-2013, 09:12 PM
Yeah I'm definitely not wanting horrible side effects. That's probably # 1 in what I'm looking for. #2 would have to be gains. Its been about a little over 2 years since I've ran Halovar
10-05-2013, 09:14 PM
I think it will do you quite well then. If it doesn't live up to what you're looking for then try a new compound next time. Although fortunately you won't have any surprise side effects, gyno scares, etc. I'd try to find the same brand you used before if you can since clearly that company is g2g and not underdosed or anything.
10-05-2013, 09:17 PM
I've been looking up results on Havoc so far people have seemed to like it
10-05-2013, 09:22 PM
Havoc (epistane) is a solid compound but I think it will be a couple steps down from what you're familiar with. It's a very mild compound virtually free of sides but it's also on the weaker end of the spectrum. Stacking it with Trenavar has gotten people some solid results. I will be running that stack myself for a relatively mild cut this spring.
10-05-2013, 09:25 PM
So halovar is a lot stronger? Whats a step up from Halovar then? Since I've ran 2 cycles of it I figured I might try something stronger.
10-06-2013, 11:55 AM
Then you have like Halodrol, Mechabol(theres p-mag too but that's just a mechabol prohormone), Epi, Triumphalis, Mithras, Protodrol.
Non methyls Hexadrone(6-chlorotest), Trestolone, Trendione, Mentdione(ph to Trestolone), Furuza(non methyl furazabol designer steroid), Dieneolone(transdermal product), 11-oxo(will convert to 11-keto), 11-keto, Max-LMG, Boldione.
If you want to make your own transdermals or homebrews or oral solutions there is also legit Desoxytestosterone acetate powders(non methyl phera).
And formestane the transdermal AI will convert to 4-hydroxytest, and a company is working on atamestane(aromatase inhibitor) which will convert to 1-methyl boldenone.
And lastly we also have a Proviron-oxime in the works, and were being annoying thinking up new compounds asking if they can be made like ph to cheque drops and ph to Metribolone.
Oh forgot all the 1-dhea(1-test 2 step precursor), 4-dhea(test 2 step precursor), 19nor-dhea(nandrolone 2 step precursor), and 5-dhea as androsterone or epiandrosterone(dht 2 step precursor) and all the other weird weak progestin compounds Andro Factory & LG sciences make.
10-06-2013, 02:17 PM
I'd save the stronger compounds for later in your arsenal, though. If you can still get gains out of the milder stuff I would. Then run the new D-Bol PH with something dry when it comes out. It looks too good to be true.
10-06-2013, 03:27 PM
10-06-2013, 04:27 PM
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10-06-2013, 06:47 PM
Hmmm...I might just try a cycle of Havoc then. If I do what, support do you recommend, as well as PCT? Should I stack it with something else? I mainly just want to bulk up and keep as much gains as possible.
10-07-2013, 12:32 AM
I think if you've run 2 cycles so far and are still only 141 pounds that you really need to revamp your nutrition and possibly your training as well.
Did no one catch this?
Celtic Labs Rep
10-07-2013, 02:05 AM
I'm 141 bc I've been cutting this whole time. Originally I was 158. The two cycles were about 2 1/2 years ago. I used it to break my plateau. So yes I'm re-vamping my nutrition but I have other questions regardin gthe PHs and etc.
10-07-2013, 08:11 PM
I might just try a cycle of Havoc then. If I do what, support do you recommend, as well as PCT? Should I stack it with something else? I mainly just want to bulk up and keep as much gains as possible.
10-07-2013, 08:34 PM
Fast gains are hard to keep for two reasons, one most of the weight gain is going to be glycogen retention/water retention/fat, two you don't know how to manage a diet at a higher weight to keep the muscle gain.
It's not just about steroids & lifting heavy. Not to mention connective tissue progress doesn't happen as fast as muscle growth so you are very prone to inury.
10-07-2013, 09:04 PM
10-07-2013, 09:16 PM
I haven't posted enough for it to let me PM but thanks I'll have to check out those products. I'm thinking about buy it all sometime during this week.
10-07-2013, 09:18 PM
Yeah I'm definitely going to have my diet on point. All Ill be doing is studying for my ER residency, gym, work, and violin lessons. Aside from that I wont be doing much so I will have a set schedule to eat and sleep properly.
10-07-2013, 09:21 PM
10-07-2013, 09:22 PM
I have no idea when I check my sent box it says I haven't sent anything...which is weird. Sorry man.
10-07-2013, 09:34 PM
10-07-2013, 09:41 PM
Yeah man I get it. I'm definitely doing my part of the research. I'm not going to take it with out looking **** up and then whine on the forums about not knowing what to do next.
10-07-2013, 10:36 PM
I knew he was light but I also know that people on these forums are going to run a PH regardless of if they need it yet so you might as well help them get things straight. That's also why I was advising against the use of any the hardcore compounds for quite some time.
Halodrol or Epi (havoc) will do the trick for you if you team it with a massive food intake. Don't run anything stronger til you put on and keep at least 30-40 pounds.
As for dosing I'd run them at standard protocol, 50mg or 40mg daily for Halo or Epi, respectively (do not run these two compounds together). I will likely get flamed for this but most can get away with an OTC PCT product for these compounds but Nolva is advised.
Liver support, fish oil, and B6 or L-Dopa are often ran for cycle support. They are methylated which makes them hard on your liver. They mess with your lipoproteins which is where fish oil comes into play. B6 or L-Dopa are supposed to help combat the lethargy caused by dry compounds. Hope that helps. Someone correct me or let me know if I failed to mention anything.
10-07-2013, 10:44 PM
10-07-2013, 11:01 PM
I've used nolva and it barely did anything to bring me back as per blood tests done pre and post cycle. Toremifene brings me back from cycles every time. Clomid I've never used and can't say.
Celtic Labs Rep
10-07-2013, 11:44 PM
Thanks for your help guys that definitely cleared somethings up. Damn Aegis is expensive as hell though, I didn't think it would be that costly. I'll still do some digging around for pct.
10-08-2013, 07:30 AM
Remember more does not equal better
10-08-2013, 10:52 AM
10-08-2013, 12:10 PM
10-08-2013, 12:46 PM
Ok so from what I've gathered, Nolva for PCT and I guess Aegis or Talos as support while I'm running Havoc. Am I correct?
10-08-2013, 12:50 PM
What do you guys this about Cycle Assist as my support when I'm running the Havoc? Anyone use it before?
10-08-2013, 12:53 PM
Use Talos or cycle assist. Both work. I prefer Talos. While it wouldn't hurt No need for aegis on this cycle.
10-08-2013, 02:20 PM
Androfactory line is easily maintainable and easy to recover from. 12 to 20 lbs from max bulk and 10 to 15 from pbold or bulk up. Can also use otc pct
That being said other options are epi,msten,superdmz 2.0 ,tren clones,ect ect
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