Why did you decide to hand in your natty card?
- 10-08-2013, 10:03 AM
I was to impatient after a few years of lifting and got something not realizing what it actually was... I didn't care though once I found out I used it anyway and have cycled a few times since then. I don't regret it but as others have said I wish I had waited a bit longer.Follow me on my log to life and lift: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/229476-mtinsideouts-log-life.html
- 10-08-2013, 10:04 AM
My natural test is low/mid 400s but I'm too young for prescribed trt apparently.You are your own maker. Train dirty.
10-08-2013, 10:21 AM
i think this brings up a good point though. where is the line of "natural" drawn? if you use a pre with a sh!t ton of stims, is that natural? i've got a friend that has some power lifting records (best in texas) and he literally consumes no supplements except protein. he is all about being natty. but i probably would too if i could bench 400 lbs.
AM sucks ass. find me on ASF or IMF.
10-08-2013, 10:43 AM
10-08-2013, 01:17 PM
10-08-2013, 03:46 PM
i have a really hard time remembering back to when i didn't want to used gear. i know there was a point when my opinion shifted from "opposed" to "in-favor", but i just can't remember when.
i guess it was when i started learning about steroids, that i was able to see them for what they really are. to me, they are nothing more than a tool like pre-workout or protein.
i can understand my friends stance on being natty, because he doesn't use any extra tools. but man, i know there will be a day that he will, and **** will get epic.
can you imagine what would happen to someone who can bench 400 lbs natty if they hopped on the tren train?
AM sucks ass. find me on ASF or IMF.
10-08-2013, 04:00 PM
10-09-2013, 06:51 AM
10-09-2013, 08:56 AM
10-09-2013, 02:20 PM
10-09-2013, 05:31 PM
Height has a tremendous amount to do with how much people lift, also.
I wish there was a mathematical formula to determine a height + weight comparison when performing a lift. I only bench 260 or so but if I were 6" shorter at the same weight I know I could put up 80+ more. Every inch makes a huge difference.
10-09-2013, 05:40 PM
10-09-2013, 07:41 PM
10-09-2013, 07:45 PM
More muscle = more weight moved.
So that doesn't really prove your point at all.
With what you said it's possible you could move the extra weight by (gasp) putting on more muscle.
10-09-2013, 08:55 PM
10-09-2013, 09:10 PM
Hold a baseball bat at its base with a normal swinging grip. Then lift a tire up off the ground with it. Pretty hard to get leverage with a full length bat.
Now cut the bat in half (i.e. shorter arm segments) and lift the same tire up.
All I'm saying is that at the same exact muscular force, if you have shorter arms... you can lift more weight, period.
And that doesn't even dip into the whole increased ROM discussion
10-09-2013, 09:14 PM
I'm talking specifically about your comment that if you were six inches shorter AND the same weight you'd lift more.
Which is obvious because you would have more muscle of you were 6 inches shorter and weighed the same, which would allow you to apply MORE force to the bar due to the sstronger muscular contraction.
10-09-2013, 09:17 PM
Thanks for letting me know that if I have bigger muscles i can lift more. You changed my life, Jim!
I'd technically have more muscle mass because of bone weight (I suppose) but seriously, dude... I meant if I had the same LBM as I do now, not weight. I figured it was inferred.
10-09-2013, 09:23 PM
10-09-2013, 09:31 PM
10-09-2013, 09:35 PM
10-10-2013, 12:35 PM
I even had some friends that were total sticks in high school, super skinny wrists and ankles. But then they got big after that so people are like well if they can do it you can do it. This whole time they have fathers, brother and uncles that ALL got genetically bigger late in life (lifting or not). My Dad, brothers, uncles and so on are ALL super thin and frail into their older age. This is what I try to explain to people. No excuses on my end... hell, I'm super happy gaining what i did in 4 years but my arms size hasnt changed much and I'll never have 20" pythons... ever. My arms are HUGE compared to how they were and they are probably 15.5" Just because a skinny guy got big doesnt mean all skinny guys can just decide to get big. Just "bigger", like you said.
10-10-2013, 05:21 PM
10-10-2013, 05:46 PM
10-10-2013, 05:50 PM
Its so easy to make bench press numbers go up. Any exercise for that matter.. its the CNS not just testosterone or drugs. I know a lot of natty guys that push 300 and above . My brother did 300 when he was 18. Another guy I worked out with upped his benchpress by 60 lbs in 2 months time all natural. It enabled him to grow even more due to the heavy training.
10-10-2013, 06:02 PM
10-10-2013, 08:20 PM
Kryill is a genetic beast, born to move iron. Its a world record! You absolutely need genetics for those numbers, period. I put 100lbs on my bench in the first two years. Even my trainer friends were impressed but still said I'd never ever be the big guy. Only 540lbs more to go to match Kryill... Not enough food or training tricks on the planet for that. I'll just do the best I can at every lift I can while eating like a German Shepard with a tapeworm.
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