Why did you decide to hand in your natty card?
- 10-09-2013, 04:31 PM
Height has a tremendous amount to do with how much people lift, also.
I wish there was a mathematical formula to determine a height + weight comparison when performing a lift. I only bench 260 or so but if I were 6" shorter at the same weight I know I could put up 80+ more. Every inch makes a huge difference.
- 10-09-2013, 04:40 PM
- 10-09-2013, 06:41 PM
10-09-2013, 06:45 PM
More muscle = more weight moved.
So that doesn't really prove your point at all.
With what you said it's possible you could move the extra weight by (gasp) putting on more muscle.
10-09-2013, 07:55 PM
10-09-2013, 08:10 PM
Hold a baseball bat at its base with a normal swinging grip. Then lift a tire up off the ground with it. Pretty hard to get leverage with a full length bat.
Now cut the bat in half (i.e. shorter arm segments) and lift the same tire up.
All I'm saying is that at the same exact muscular force, if you have shorter arms... you can lift more weight, period.
And that doesn't even dip into the whole increased ROM discussion
10-09-2013, 08:14 PM
I'm talking specifically about your comment that if you were six inches shorter AND the same weight you'd lift more.
Which is obvious because you would have more muscle of you were 6 inches shorter and weighed the same, which would allow you to apply MORE force to the bar due to the sstronger muscular contraction.
10-09-2013, 08:17 PM
Thanks for letting me know that if I have bigger muscles i can lift more. You changed my life, Jim!
I'd technically have more muscle mass because of bone weight (I suppose) but seriously, dude... I meant if I had the same LBM as I do now, not weight. I figured it was inferred.
10-09-2013, 08:23 PM
10-09-2013, 08:31 PM
10-09-2013, 08:35 PM
10-10-2013, 11:35 AM
I even had some friends that were total sticks in high school, super skinny wrists and ankles. But then they got big after that so people are like well if they can do it you can do it. This whole time they have fathers, brother and uncles that ALL got genetically bigger late in life (lifting or not). My Dad, brothers, uncles and so on are ALL super thin and frail into their older age. This is what I try to explain to people. No excuses on my end... hell, I'm super happy gaining what i did in 4 years but my arms size hasnt changed much and I'll never have 20" pythons... ever. My arms are HUGE compared to how they were and they are probably 15.5" Just because a skinny guy got big doesnt mean all skinny guys can just decide to get big. Just "bigger", like you said.
10-10-2013, 04:21 PM
10-10-2013, 04:46 PM
10-10-2013, 04:50 PM
Its so easy to make bench press numbers go up. Any exercise for that matter.. its the CNS not just testosterone or drugs. I know a lot of natty guys that push 300 and above . My brother did 300 when he was 18. Another guy I worked out with upped his benchpress by 60 lbs in 2 months time all natural. It enabled him to grow even more due to the heavy training.
10-10-2013, 05:02 PM
10-10-2013, 07:20 PM
Kryill is a genetic beast, born to move iron. Its a world record! You absolutely need genetics for those numbers, period. I put 100lbs on my bench in the first two years. Even my trainer friends were impressed but still said I'd never ever be the big guy. Only 540lbs more to go to match Kryill... Not enough food or training tricks on the planet for that. I'll just do the best I can at every lift I can while eating like a German Shepard with a tapeworm.
10-10-2013, 07:21 PM
10-10-2013, 07:28 PM
10-10-2013, 07:40 PM
10-10-2013, 07:56 PM
Meh I've never even thought of myself as natty given I have been on one stim or another for ADHD since I was 8 years old. Kind of changed my views of natty vs not from a very young age...
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10-10-2013, 07:57 PM
I have def impressed myself thus far. I'm only 29 and been lifting since I was 25. Went from 168lbs @ 15% to 220lbs down to 190 @ 8% now I'm 202 @ 10%. I think people can accomplish amazing things with their body if the dedication is there.
I have too many hobbies haha. I want to be good at many thing but guitar comes first. Been playing for 18 years. Guitar is a perfect example of something extremely hard for people but something that certain people with drive can become incredible at in a lifetime.
10-10-2013, 10:24 PM
Well 6, observe these photos below. I'm sure that people told the kid on the left the same thing they told you. You don't have the structure, you'll always be skinny, why do you even lift, whatever. Then he grew into the guy on the right. I say fukk a genetic ceiling. The only ceiling is the limit of how many years you put into this game and what you put in day in and day out for those years.
10-10-2013, 10:25 PM
10-11-2013, 02:46 AM
Do it at a safe age probably around 28 to 30 . I do it because I frsuse to look average I wanna crack the ****ing side walk
10-11-2013, 08:46 AM
10-11-2013, 09:47 AM
10-11-2013, 10:33 AM
So then we are all in agreement that anyone can drastically increase the size of their wrists and ankles after adulthood? Bones and tendons?
10-11-2013, 10:35 AM
10-11-2013, 11:05 AM
10-11-2013, 11:20 AM
Well, picture is worth 1,000 words. This conversation has definitely opened my eyes a bit in the "genetics" argument.
I will say I have put on 50lbs in 3+ years (100lbs+ added to bench and 150lbs+ added to squats) while gaining absolutely zero in ankle or wrist size. And I mean zero, maybe .1"! I can still touch my thumb and finger around my ankle just as easy as day 1. that dude gained 160 lbs and doubled his wrists, though.
10-11-2013, 11:28 AM
10-11-2013, 11:30 AM
Now, people like your professional bodybuilders are always going to have small joints compared to their musculature, but you know those guys structure has grown and gotten stronger as well.
10-11-2013, 11:49 AM
I still feel like in that pic, Billy is a 1 in 10,000 kind of transformation that still (in my opinion) has to do with genetics allowing him to get there.
10-11-2013, 11:51 AM
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10-11-2013, 02:10 PM
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10-11-2013, 03:22 PM
That pic comparison is called an aberration or an anomaly....that is NOT normal in 99.99% of people, sorry but it does happen, obviously.
10-11-2013, 03:29 PM
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