Yet another first time Epistane user
- 09-06-2013, 02:27 AM
Yet another first time Epistane user
Hey memebers on AnabolicMinds. I could use some wisdom in the ways of my very first cycle. This will be the first time using any anabolic substance. I've done a fair bit of research but i could use some advice on the reliability of venders/brands. Also criticism on my cycle is appreciated.
Preload liver support for one week
ep-stane by dynamic formulas. (i like the price, is it the same as other epistane products?
Does anbody think 60mg each day is too much for a beginner?
Tamoxifen (true twenty) from iron-dragon.com. It is a research chem site. This site seems to be legit, What do you guys think?
along with DAA.
Is it important to run erase with my PCT? From what i've seen tamoxifen is enough for most people.
- 09-06-2013, 10:04 AM
I'm a beginner also bro, so I can't give you any expert advice yet, but I've been getting alot of advice from guys on here about my own first epi cycle, and from what I've been told I will tell you this: 60 will be too much for you, you could get some pretty bad sides on that. Plus as a beginner you won't need that much to see great results from Epi. Also, starting at 15 will be a waste, as anything below 25 your body won't respond much too. Secondly, I would definitely run an AI like Erase in your PCT, because some people get rebound gyno from not running one. Tamo is great but Erase is cheap and will help guarantee you come off safely. I was also told to run DAA throughout the cycle (sort of like a test base on a true gear cycle) to keep your test levels up a little more during cycle.
If I were you I would do something like:
Week 1: Preload week. Load your liver care and cycle assist
Week 2-3: livercare and cycle assist, Epi 30/30/30/30/30/30/30
Week 4-6: livercare and cycleassist Epi 45/45/45/45/45/45/45
Week 7-8: Run your Tamo, Livercare and cycleassist
Week 9-10: Start your Erase, Tamo, Livercare and cycle assist
Week 11-12: Erase, Livercare and Cycleassist (You'll be done with Tamo now)
And of course use DAA throughout as well.
That will be a 5 week cycle of Epi, but at a lower dosage. You'll get way better results and less sides by drawing back the dosage and adding a week.
- 09-06-2013, 03:53 PM
09-06-2013, 04:02 PM
09-06-2013, 04:56 PM
DAA will not be effective if ran during cycle. But i Highly recommend DAA throughout pct. 3.12g a day.
For a first cycle I wouldn't go over 40 or 45 but you can always drop it back down if the lethargy hits you too hard. 40 is the sweet spot for me and I stack it with stano 800-1000mg
09-06-2013, 05:06 PM
09-06-2013, 05:17 PM
09-06-2013, 05:19 PM
09-06-2013, 05:44 PM
09-06-2013, 06:02 PM
Would you recommend running an HCG on an epi cycle like this then instead, and then run DAA during PCT?
09-06-2013, 06:09 PM
09-06-2013, 06:24 PM
09-07-2013, 01:12 AM
One thing you might want to think about with DAA is that it has to build up in your system. In the studies, they tested after 6 and 12 consecutive days of use and then again 3 days after stopping. After 6 days there was no significant change in LH or test levels. It wasnt until they tested again at 12 days of consecutive use where they measured the 33.3% increase in LH and 42% in test levels. I was just thinking you have to prep your body in advance for when you want the effect. Any other thoughts on timing of the natty booster?
09-07-2013, 09:09 AM
09-07-2013, 03:37 PM
No need to increase the dosage on the cycle, pick a dosage and stick to it for 5-6 weeks. I recommend 40 mg.
09-07-2013, 05:06 PM
09-07-2013, 07:12 PM
I do get mini balls while on Epi, but I dont think it is worth it to run hcg on an epi solo cycle, last time I jumped back in no time using Clomid.
09-07-2013, 08:01 PM
09-07-2013, 11:58 PM
09-08-2013, 04:49 PM
09-08-2013, 05:10 PM
09-08-2013, 05:11 PM
09-08-2013, 06:08 PM
09-08-2013, 06:48 PM
09-08-2013, 11:25 PM
09-08-2013, 11:48 PM
Daa doesn't have any "benificial" effect on hpta function "during a cycle of steroids"
I'm sure pa didn't say it did.
"D-Aspartate is essentially a neurotransmitter and a stimulant, as well as a precursor to another neurotransmitter and stimulant (NDMA). It works in a central brain region to cause a release of hormones such as Luteinizing Hormone, Follicle-Stimulating Hormone, and Growth Hormone secondary to acting on receptors directly. D-Asparate may also build up in the testicles, where it alleviates a rate-limiting step of Testosterone synthesis and thereby increases testosterone levels minorly."
I doubt It is going to up cause enough lh to prevent testicle desensitization of the testes.
But def is benificial in pct to get thing going.
09-09-2013, 12:01 AM
09-09-2013, 12:02 AM
Your hpta is going to correct the imbalance in androgens. Add das, it will just try harder.
It might help. Significantly? Who knows.
Prob vary person to person.
I see no need for it until pct. Maybe a week before pct.
09-09-2013, 12:07 AM
09-09-2013, 12:17 AM
09-09-2013, 09:25 AM
"D-Asparate may also build up in the testicles, where it alleviates a rate-limiting step of Testosterone synthesis and thereby increases testosterone levels minorly.
There are minimal human studies on the subject matter, and minimal interventions at all. The majority of information is assessing the roles D-Aspartate has in the body under normal conditions, and does not consider supplementation." Supplementation aka on cycle.
From reading the studies it appears that DAA was helpful in those with low testosterone lvls while only temporarily but did very little for those with normal to high testosterone lvls. While on cycle your test lvls are/should be very high so that also leads me to believe daa would be completely ineffective on cycle.
09-09-2013, 09:58 AM
09-10-2013, 05:46 AM
Epi is some good stuff. Its a good ano for your first cycle. and it barely has sides. infact it can help reduce some sides from pervious PHs like Mdrol. SD is bad ass but i wouldnt do it for the first cycle
09-10-2013, 04:40 PM
60mg is a high dose imo. I did 20mg for 3 days then 30mg for 3 weeks now on 4th week and I'm @ 40mg. I think I'll only run 5 weeks instead of planned 6 because my joints and tendons hurt so much even with fish oil/joint support supps. Back pumps were an issue too even @ 30mg but only when I worked out back specifically lower back.
09-10-2013, 04:43 PM
09-10-2013, 10:05 PM
Taurine didn't work for me.
Pom extract helps. 40 mg for 5-6 weeks
09-10-2013, 10:09 PM
09-10-2013, 10:23 PM
Different for everyone but I use 1g 3 times a day on epi. For dmz and m-sten I use 2g every 4 hrs. You will know if you need to increase the dose. Lower back cramps are a biotch but taurine does the trick for most
09-10-2013, 10:25 PM
09-10-2013, 10:26 PM
I'm a big fan of Rn havoc kick of week one at 30 then do the rest at 40. Depending in how long your wanting to go. 40 for me seems to be the sweet spot.
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