Yet another first time Epistane user

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  1. Daa doesn't have any "benificial" effect on hpta function "during a cycle of steroids"
    I'm sure pa didn't say it did.

    "D-Aspartate is essentially a neurotransmitter and a stimulant, as well as a precursor to another neurotransmitter and stimulant (NDMA). It works in a central brain region to cause a release of hormones such as Luteinizing Hormone, Follicle-Stimulating Hormone, and Growth Hormone secondary to acting on receptors directly. D-Asparate may also build up in the testicles, where it alleviates a rate-limiting step of Testosterone synthesis and thereby increases testosterone levels minorly."

    I doubt It is going to up cause enough lh to prevent testicle desensitization of the testes.
    But def is benificial in pct to get thing going.


  2. Here is what he said when asked this.

    Quote Originally Posted by thundaclap View Post
    I know there aren't any studies on this, but it sounds like it might work similarly to HCG thru LH production. What do you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    hcg does not work through LH production. hcg is a LH mimick


    what do i think? i think there are no studies like you say, so i dont really know what the effect of DAA during a cycle would be. maybe it helps maintain levels, maybe not
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  3. Your hpta is going to correct the imbalance in androgens. Add das, it will just try harder.

    It might help. Significantly? Who knows.
    Prob vary person to person.

    I see no need for it until pct. Maybe a week before pct.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Your hpta is going to correct the imbalance in androgens. Add das, it will just try harder.

    It might help. Significantly? Who knows.
    Prob vary person to person.

    I see no need for it until pct. Maybe a week before pct.
    That seems to make sense. I think I'll start it up a week before PCT like you've said. Or...since I'm running a log of this cycle, I could experiment with trying daa throughout the cycle and see if it yields any noticeable benefits? If you guys want me to experiment with that, I'm more than willing. It's not going to hurt either way.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post

    That seems to make sense. I think I'll start it up a week before PCT like you've said. Or...since I'm running a log of this cycle, I could experiment with trying daa throughout the cycle and see if it yields any noticeable benefits? If you guys want me to experiment with that, I'm more than willing. It's not going to hurt either way.
    Do w/e, prob won't change how I do things who know for the next guy though.
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  6. From examine.com:

    "D-Asparate may also build up in the testicles, where it alleviates a rate-limiting step of Testosterone synthesis and thereby increases testosterone levels minorly.

    There are minimal human studies on the subject matter, and minimal interventions at all. The majority of information is assessing the roles D-Aspartate has in the body under normal conditions, and does not consider supplementation." Supplementation aka on cycle.

    From reading the studies it appears that DAA was helpful in those with low testosterone lvls while only temporarily but did very little for those with normal to high testosterone lvls. While on cycle your test lvls are/should be very high so that also leads me to believe daa would be completely ineffective on cycle.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    From examine.com:

    "D-Asparate may also build up in the testicles, where it alleviates a rate-limiting step of Testosterone synthesis and thereby increases testosterone levels minorly.

    There are minimal human studies on the subject matter, and minimal interventions at all. The majority of information is assessing the roles D-Aspartate has in the body under normal conditions, and does not consider supplementation." Supplementation aka on cycle.

    From reading the studies it appears that DAA was helpful in those with low testosterone lvls while only temporarily but did very little for those with normal to high testosterone lvls. While on cycle your test lvls are/should be very high so that also leads me to believe daa would be completely ineffective on cycle.
    Depends upon what you are cycling. However, it probably still may not do anything.

  8. Epi is some good stuff. Its a good ano for your first cycle. and it barely has sides. infact it can help reduce some sides from pervious PHs like Mdrol. SD is bad ass but i wouldnt do it for the first cycle

  9. 60mg is a high dose imo. I did 20mg for 3 days then 30mg for 3 weeks now on 4th week and I'm @ 40mg. I think I'll only run 5 weeks instead of planned 6 because my joints and tendons hurt so much even with fish oil/joint support supps. Back pumps were an issue too even @ 30mg but only when I worked out back specifically lower back.

  10. Get taurine for back pumps. Problem solved. Run epi 6 weeks

  11. Taurine didn't work for me.


    Pom extract helps. 40 mg for 5-6 weeks

  12. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Get taurine for back pumps. Problem solved. Run epi 6 weeks
    How much should you take? And I'm assuming an hour before workout? Does Walmart brand work fine?

  13. Different for everyone but I use 1g 3 times a day on epi. For dmz and m-sten I use 2g every 4 hrs. You will know if you need to increase the dose. Lower back cramps are a biotch but taurine does the trick for most

  14. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Different for everyone but I use 1g 3 times a day on epi. For dmz and m-sten I use 2g every 4 hrs. You will know if you need to increase the dose. Lower back cramps are a biotch but taurine does the trick for most
    Yikes. I'm not looking forward to that lol. Any specific brand you take, or does it matter? I'll probably just get some from walmart

  15. I'm a big fan of Rn havoc kick of week one at 30 then do the rest at 40. Depending in how long your wanting to go. 40 for me seems to be the sweet spot.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Get taurine for back pumps. Problem solved. Run epi 6 weeks
    Yeah I was taking 1.5 grams at a time once a day. I'll spread out the dosages and take 3 grams and see what happens.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post

    How much should you take? And I'm assuming an hour before workout? Does Walmart brand work fine?
    I've tried every dosage of taurine, 1 gram all the way up to 6-8 grams. Didn't notice much improvement.

    Pomegranate Extract, Swanson brand. Seems to do the trick @ 750 mg - 1 gram pre-workout.

    As for brands I use primaforce

  18. I've never used anything for back pumps except a strong core, and proper form.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    I've never used anything for back pumps except a strong core, and propper form.
    Lol^

  20. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    I've never used anything for back pumps except a strong core, and propper form.
    Do you even lift bro?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    I've never used anything for back pumps except a strong core, and propper form.
    Lol! I've actually never used anything for back pumps either, but some people get them pretty bad!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by supermanjow View Post

    Lol! I've actually never used anything for back pumps either, but some people get them pretty bad!
    Epi doesn't bother me but super dmz hit me hard

  23. Quote Originally Posted by supermanjow View Post

    Lol! I've actually never used anything for back pumps either, but some people get them pretty bad!
    Well obviously you just don't know how to go hard enough bro. Do you even lift?

  24. Lol. Now this thread has lost its seriousness. Aaron is trollin

  25. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Lol. Now this thread has lost its seriousness. Aron is trollin
    Lol you caught me. Do you even troll, bro?
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