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    Hi everyone!

    I really appreciate everyone trying to give or even seek advice from this community. it is really great to be able to find help when you need it and yet to give help when you can.

    I am planning a new bulking cycle and would like your input on everything. This should be my 3rd cycle so far. The last one ended like 9 months ago.

    I am 36 y , 170 cm (5.5"), 86 kg (189 lb), 23% BF

    here is my layout


    • Test E 500 mg 2x Week - Weeks 1 - 14
    • Parabolan 153 mg 2x Week Weeks 1 - 10
    • Dianabol 40 mg / Day Weeks 1 - 4 & Weeks 15-16
    • HCG 250 iu 2x Week Weeks 4 -14



    • PCT Starts week 17 (Clomid 50/50/50/50) & Nolva (20/20/20/20)



    should I add / remove any gear?
    should I up the Nolva to 40/40 ?
    I have some letro, but not enough for the whole cycle. Should I add it from the beginning?

    P.S. I had gyno before and had it surgically removed.

    Thoughts are very much appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post
    Hi everyone!

    I really appreciate everyone trying to give or even seek advice from this community. it is really great to be able to find help when you need it and yet to give help when you can.

    I am planning a new bulking cycle and would like your input on everything. This should be my 3rd cycle so far. The last one ended like 9 months ago.

    I am 36 y , 170 cm (5.5"), 86 kg (189 lb), 23% BF

    here is my layout

    [*]Test E 500 mg 2x Week - Weeks 1 - 14[*]Parabolan 153 mg 2x Week Weeks 1 - 10[*]Dianabol 40 mg / Day Weeks 1 - 4 & Weeks 15-16[*]HCG 250 iu 2x Week Weeks 4 -14


    [*]PCT Starts week 17 (Clomid 50/50/50/50) & Nolva (20/20/20/20)


    should I add / remove any gear?
    should I up the Nolva to 40/40 ?
    I have some letro, but not enough for the whole cycle. Should I add it from the beginning?

    P.S. I had gyno before and had it surgically removed.

    Thoughts are very much appreciated
    Looks decent enough but I'd be dosing the parabolan e3d, so some weeks you may dose three times instead of twice. I would add in exemstane and pramipexole. Exem 12.5mg eod (adjust as needed) and prami .5mg e3d. Don't start too high on prami as it can make you vomit ( i found out this the hard way ) start low and adjust up if required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Looks decent enough but I'd be dosing the parabolan e3d, so some weeks you may dose three times instead of twice. I would add in exemstane and pramipexole. Exem 12.5mg eod (adjust as needed) and prami .5mg e3d. Don't start too high on prami as it can make you vomit ( i found out this the hard way ) start low and adjust up if required.
    Should i start the exemstane and pramipexole with the cycle or some time after the beginning? What about letro instead of exemstane? how would i dose it?

    can I mix the Test & Parabolan in one shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post

    Should i start the exemstane and pramipexole with the cycle or some time after the beginning? What about letro instead of exemstane? how would i dose it?

    can I mix the Test & Parabolan in one shot?

    thanks
    I'd start the prami with the start or the cycle, i personally usually wait for about three weeks before introducing exemstane but its personal preference. You could use letro instead but it's a very powerful AI and may take a bit to find your sweet spot. I would only use letro for gyno reversal. I would load both parabolan and test in the same barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    I'd start the prami with the start or the cycle, i personally usually wait for about three weeks before introducing exemstane but its personal preference. You could use letro instead but it's a very powerful AI and may take a bit to find your sweet spot. I would only use letro for gyno reversal. I would load both parabolan and test in the same barrel.
    just wanted to ask: i had gyno surgery before. is the pramipexole still NECESSARY???

    i used letro with a pervious Test E cycle with 1/4 of a pill (2.5mg pill) EOD. Is that enough? I have read somewhere that more than that would kill libido.

    i also don't think pramipexole pills come in 0.5 mg / tablet. how do you manage dosing?

    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post

    just wanted to ask: i had gyno surgery before. is the pramipexole still NECESSARY???

    i used letro with a pervious Test E cycle with 1/4 of a pill (2.5mg pill) EOD. Is that enough? I have read somewhere that more than that would kill libido.

    i also don't think pramipexole pills come in 0.5 mg / tablet. how do you manage dosing?

    thanks
    I'd still run something to control prolactin, there are other concerns with high prolactin, concerning libido for example not being able to finish. I use liquid prami from a research chem site so it's easy to measure it out. You might be able to get away with something OTC like prolactrone but personally I wouldn't try to control hormone related issues with OTC stuff.
    Re the letro if it worked for you in the past I'd stick with it. Just remember when you come off taper your dose down to prevent estrogen rebound as letro isn't a suicidal AI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    I'd still run something to control prolactin, there are other concerns with high prolactin, concerning libido for example not being able to finish. I use liquid prami from a research chem site so it's easy to measure it out. You might be able to get away with something OTC like prolactrone but personally I wouldn't try to control hormone related issues with OTC stuff.
    Re the letro if it worked for you in the past I'd stick with it. Just remember when you come off taper your dose down to prevent estrogen rebound as letro isn't a suicidal AI.

    Luke, i have Dostinex (cabergoline) at 0.5 mg/tablet . would that do the job? how should i dose it daily?

    thanks man, you have been a great help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post

    Luke, i have Dostinex (cabergoline) at 0.5 mg/tablet . would that do the job? how should i dose it daily?

    thanks man, you have been a great help.
    Yeah that will do the trick. .5mg e3d is how I'd dose it. Caber has less sides than prami but prami has a positive effect on growth hormone. They both work nonetheless. And your welcome man that's why I'm on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Yeah that will do the trick. .5mg e3d is how I'd dose it. Caber has less sides than prami but prami has a positive effect on growth hormone. They both work nonetheless. And your welcome man that's why I'm on here.
    hi again luck.
    first let me congratulate you on the new pic. you look very much in shape man. good work.

    i just wanted to tell you that i haven't started my cycle yet. still getting gear and preparing PCT stuff. yet i came accross a tip that says that Prami can make you fall asleep all of a sudden, even during driving. Is this true? did u face this problem?

    Do I need to through some Proviron in there??
    what can I use to increase libido and enhance erection?

    sorry for bothering you that much and thanks for all your help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post

    hi again luck.
    first let me congratulate you on the new pic. you look very much in shape man. good work.

    i just wanted to tell you that i haven't started my cycle yet. still getting gear and preparing PCT stuff. yet i came accross a tip that says that Prami can make you fall asleep all of a sudden, even during driving. Is this true? did u face this problem?

    Do I need to through some Proviron in there??
    what can I use to increase libido and enhance erection?

    sorry for bothering you that much and thanks for all your help.
    Thanks man I'm still very much a work in progress but I'm getting there slowly. Yeah prami does make you lethargic, I made the mistake of taking it before night shift..... Not a good idea but it was manageable, I didn't just nod off I was just really tired lol. Just take it before bed and you'll be gtg. Caber works just fine if you want to down that route. If you take your ancillaries you really shouldn't have an issue with libido, tren is awesome for libido. I quite literally couldn't get enough. Good call in waiting for everything to be on hand before starting.
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    Thanks man
    By tren you mean Trenbolone? What about parabolane? That's what I will use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post
    Thanks man
    By tren you mean Trenbolone? What about parabolane? That's what I will use.
    Parabolan is trenbolone hexohydrobenzylcarbonate. Tren hex is supposed to be the most stable of tren esters and as such is usually quite expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post
    Hi everyone!

    I really appreciate everyone trying to give or even seek advice from this community. it is really great to be able to find help when you need it and yet to give help when you can.

    I am planning a new bulking cycle and would like your input on everything. This should be my 3rd cycle so far. The last one ended like 9 months ago.

    I am 36 y , 170 cm (5.5"), 86 kg (189 lb), 23% BF

    here is my layout


    • Test E – 500 mg 2x Week - Weeks 1 - 14
    • Parabolan – 153 mg 2x Week – Weeks 1 - 10
    • Dianabol – 40 mg / Day – Weeks 1 - 4 & Weeks 15-16
    • HCG – 250 iu 2x Week – Weeks 4 -14



    • PCT Starts week 17 (Clomid 50/50/50/50) & Nolva (20/20/20/20)



    should I add / remove any gear?
    should I up the Nolva to 40/40 ?
    I have some letro, but not enough for the whole cycle. Should I add it from the beginning?

    P.S. I had gyno before and had it surgically removed.

    Thoughts are very much appreciated
    May want to up your test if tren starts messing with you sexually.

    I would add caber to this cycle as well as arimidex. Dbol will prolly give you some problems. Winstrol works good with tren to keep side down too... food for thought.

    ditch nolva in pct, clomi is fine 52/25/25/25

    other than that, seems fine.
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    Hay guys I still have a couple of questions

    What if I start HCG from week 1 not 4?
    Should I stop the Prami when I stop Parabolan at week 10?
    What if i drop Dianabol altogether? some ppl say it would make you bloat and the Test E is enough. !!!
    Should I continue with the Femara during PCT??




    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post
    Hay guys I still have a couple of questions

    What if I start HCG from week 1 not 4?
    Should I stop the Prami when I stop Parabolan at week 10?
    What if i drop Dianabol altogether? some ppl say it would make you bloat and the Test E is enough. !!!
    Should I continue with the Femara during PCT??

    Thanks
    You can start the hcg whenever you want to, I just wouldn't put it back any further than week 4
    Stop the pramipexole when you stop the parabolan, although frequent dosing of pramipexole shows that it increases HGH.
    Provided you control estrogen dbol shouldn't bloat you up that much, there will always be a bit of bloat with compounds that aromatise.
    I would discontinue femara in pct and switch to erase, it's not as potent and has a strong anti cortisol effect.
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    1. I doubt it'll matter, prolly just use more hcg
    2. wait a week
    3. than you're missing out.
    4. I wouldn't use letro at all, why not just arimidex during your cycle like I previously suggested
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    1. I doubt it'll matter, prolly just use more hcg
    2. wait a week
    3. than you're missing out.
    4. I wouldn't use letro at all, why not just arimidex during your cycle like I previously suggested
    We don't have arimidex here and I can't get it online. They won't allow it in.

    I wish I could get some Aromasin. But it's only available in hospitals.

    I can't get Erase either.

    I usually take 1/4 pill Femara EOD. That's 2.5 mg/4 Letro
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post

    We don't have arimidex here and I can't get it online. They won't allow it in.

    I wish I could get some Aromasin. But it's only available in hospitals.

    I can't get Erase either.

    I usually take 1/4 pill Femara EOD. That's 2.5 mg/4 Letro
    Where abouts are you bro?? I can get almost everything and here in Australia we have the worlds worst customs.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Where abouts are you bro?? I can get almost everything and here in Australia we have the worlds worst customs.....
    believe me Luke, you haven't seen the world's worst customs yet. I am Egyptian but currently work in Saudi Arabia. Imagine I bought Opti-Men through amazon and the customs here wouldn't allow it in. one of their pharmacist insisted that there are authorized local alternatives and I didn't have to get this online, and he rejected the parcel. i didn't even get to properly attach amazon return address slips and the money was lost.

    Luke. I was thinking of using a tapper routine after my cycle. I have Test P amps of 25 mg. i was thinking of using those twice a week after my cycle and into my PCT. what do u think? if not like that , How do u think it should be done?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post

    believe me Luke, you haven't seen the world's worst customs yet. I am Egyptian but currently work in Saudi Arabia. Imagine I bought Opti-Men through amazon and the customs here wouldn't allow it in. one of their pharmacist insisted that there are authorized local alternatives and I didn't have to get this online, and he rejected the parcel. i didn't even get to properly attach amazon return address slips and the money was lost.

    Luke. I was thinking of using a tapper routine after my cycle. I have Test P amps of 25 mg. i was thinking of using those twice a week after my cycle and into my PCT. what do u think? if not like that , How do u think it should be done?
    Wow really?? That sucks man I thought we had it bad over here! I like the idea of cruising for awhile after a run, IME it's makes it a lot easier to recover from. Ill have to read your cycle layout again and see how it looks
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post

    believe me Luke, you haven't seen the world's worst customs yet. I am Egyptian but currently work in Saudi Arabia. Imagine I bought Opti-Men through amazon and the customs here wouldn't allow it in. one of their pharmacist insisted that there are authorized local alternatives and I didn't have to get this online, and he rejected the parcel. i didn't even get to properly attach amazon return address slips and the money was lost.

    Luke. I was thinking of using a tapper routine after my cycle. I have Test P amps of 25 mg. i was thinking of using those twice a week after my cycle and into my PCT. what do u think? if not like that , How do u think it should be done?
    I'd save the prop for another run, your already running the test 4 weeks past the tren. If I was you I'd drop the test dose down to say 250-300 after dropping the parabolan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    I'd save the prop for another run, your already running the test 4 weeks past the tren. If I was you I'd drop the test dose down to say 250-300 after dropping the parabolan.
    Hi again Luke. I have finally started my cycle. Here's my layout for week 1.



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    I have layed out the timings so that there are 56 hours between Test &Parapolan shots.

    Letro (Femara) is taken at 0.62 mg EOD.

    So far so good. But I notice a major decrease in libido. Any suggestions?

    I'm also thinking of taking HCG at 250 iu 3 times a week instead of 2 times at 300 iu. What do you think?

    Thanks man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post

    Hi again Luke. I have finally started my cycle. Here's my layout for week 1.

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    I have layed out the timings so that there are 56 hours between Test &Parapolan shots.

    Letro (Femara) is taken at 0.62 mg EOD.

    So far so good. But I notice a major decrease in libido. Any suggestions?

    I'm also thinking of taking HCG at 250 iu 3 times a week instead of 2 times at 300 iu. What do you think?

    Thanks man.
    I would wait for a week or two and see if it levels out, if it doesn't I'd try increasing the frequency of your prami dosing. Normally a drop in libido is caused by an imbalance somewhere, I would also hold of on the femara for a couple weeks. Estrogen is required for a healthy libido and the test hasn't really had a chance to build up In your system yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    I would wait for a week or two and see if it levels out, if it doesn't I'd try increasing the frequency of your prami dosing. Normally a drop in libido is caused by an imbalance somewhere, I would also hold of on the femara for a couple weeks. Estrogen is required for a healthy libido and the test hasn't really had a chance to build up In your system yet.

    what about the HCG suggestion??
    do u know of any libido enhancers out there?

    thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post

    what about the HCG suggestion??
    do u know of any libido enhancers out there?

    thank you
    It all depends on how much you have, if you have enough to go more then go for it. Just keep it at 250iu e3d and that will be plenty. There's no additional benefit to using more.
    Libido enhancers? Not really, not while your on. I haven't really had that issue so I haven't looked into it sorry.
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    Hay Guys,

    I need some help please. Prami is killing me. I started with 0.5 mg E3D. Then, I dropped to 0.25 mg, all at bed time. but when I take it, I get a difficulty swallowing and I feel as if something is down my through chocking me. It makes me feel like vomiting. The horrible thing is that this feeling goes on for like 2 days. Pretty much close to the next dose. I also get a difficulty sleeping.

    Any Ideas on how to combat this ??

    I was also thinking of throwing 10 mg Clenbuterol before workout. I have a lot of fat around my midsection and I thought Clen might help the body release this fat, especially with the intensity of the exercise.

    Thank you all in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post
    Hay Guys,

    I need some help please. Prami is killing me. I started with 0.5 mg E3D. Then, I dropped to 0.25 mg, all at bed time. but when I take it, I get a difficulty swallowing and I feel as if something is down my through chocking me. It makes me feel like vomiting. The horrible thing is that this feeling goes on for like 2 days. Pretty much close to the next dose. I also get a difficulty sleeping.

    Any Ideas on how to combat this ??

    I was also thinking of throwing 10 mg Clenbuterol before workout. I have a lot of fat around my midsection and I thought Clen might help the body release this fat, especially with the intensity of the exercise.

    Thank you all in advance.
    I'm not sure what it could be man, you could try having it with food before bed, watering it down or something like that. 10mg is a huge amount lol I think you meant 10mcg. To be honest bro Tren will lean you up big time I would save the clen for later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafey View Post
    Hi everyone!

    I really appreciate everyone trying to give or even seek advice from this community. it is really great to be able to find help when you need it and yet to give help when you can.

    I am planning a new bulking cycle and would like your input on everything. This should be my 3rd cycle so far. The last one ended like 9 months ago.

    I am 36 y , 170 cm (5.5"), 86 kg (189 lb), 23% BF

    here is my layout

    [*]Test E 500 mg 2x Week - Weeks 1 - 14[*]Parabolan 153 mg 2x Week Weeks 1 - 10[*]Dianabol 40 mg / Day Weeks 1 - 4 & Weeks 15-16[*]HCG 250 iu 2x Week Weeks 4 -14


    [*]PCT Starts week 17 (Clomid 50/50/50/50) & Nolva (20/20/20/20)


    should I add / remove any gear?
    should I up the Nolva to 40/40 ?
    I have some letro, but not enough for the whole cycle. Should I add it from the beginning?

    P.S. I had gyno before and had it surgically removed.

    Thoughts are very much appreciated
    I would not run the test that high unless you have been cycling for a long ass time and need too. Also up the clomid to 100/100/50/50 and Nolva to 40/40/20/20.. Also you need an AI like aromasin at 12.5mg ED and prami or caber
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    Hi everyone,

    i am almost near the end of week 14 and i wanted to layout my cycle to you with the changes that i have made.

    Test E @ 250 mg/ml 3 X week - Weeks 1 -10
    Test E @ 250 mg/ml 2 X week - Weeks 11-14

    Parapolan @ 76.5 mg/ml 2 X week - Weeks 1 - 10

    Ancillaries:
    HCG : 300 iu 3 X week - Weeks 1 - 16
    Prami : 0.25 mg 3 X week - Weeks 1 - 10 ( stops slightly after finishing Parapolan )
    Letro : 0.62 mg (1/4 pill) 3 X week - Weeks 1 - 16
    Clomid : 50 mg 3 X week - Weeks 1-16

    PCT

    Clomid (100/100/50/50)
    Opti-Men
    Horny Goat Weed

    Do I need to include Letro? or HCG?

    Observations:

    - I did not gain much results from this cycle. not what i have expected. i have done other Test E cycles before at 500 mg / week and the results were grater . Actually i did not feel Parapolan doing me any good. Maybe it is the make. I'm not sure. My parapolan came from Alpha Pharma and my Test E came from an Egyptian pharmaceutical company.

    - Prami was a little hard on me. sides were annoying and i had to drop the dose from 0.5 mg to 0.25 mg 3 X week.
    - I found that including Clomid during the cycle EOD would help make PCT easier.
    - I also used Opti-Men as a multivitamin during the cycle.
    - I developed acne on the top shoulders.

    I am now finishing Week 14 and then 2 weeks off then PCT. I still have a question, however. Can I EXTEND my cycle a few more weeks on TEST E alone and the Ancillaries? if yes, for how long?

    I would also like to know what if one gets sick during a cycle? the flue or a cough that requires antibiotics and other medications. Should one stop the cycle, put it on hold till it's over, or continue as normal?

    Thanks guys
  

  
 

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