40/e4d & 20mg tren ace/ed=70/w of test and 140/w of tren
- 09-03-2013, 01:23 AM
40/e4d & 20mg tren ace/ed=70/w of test and 140/w of tren
This is my second cycle.
First cycle was a gong show, fried my receptors to the point that trt would not work for 5 months. ..screw idiots that say you can't fry receptors.. so happy they started working again
Now I'm trying super mega low dose tren, with ultra mega low dose trt.
My girl is scared because I get volatile on trt is I don't drink water... I promised her I will drink a gallon a day.
Anyways, after my first cycle, once my receptors shut down, I lost everything.
Stats: 37, 178lbs, 5'.8", don't know my bf% but I'd think about 25,
So. Today is day 1
Diet is eat less and healthy.
I have garbage digestion so hoping feed efficiency from tren helps..
Oh yeah, I'm doing this sub Q. I know sup Q works fine because that's what I have been doing, and I turn into an ass if I don't drink my water
I think it's doable..if tren is that much stronger then test, should be like I'm on at least five hundred of test.. minus the bloat head fish face garbage... I bloat a lot!
Last edited by jpg; 09-03-2013 at 01:28 AM. Reason: wanted to
- 09-03-2013, 01:55 AM
Bro 29% bf is crazy high. Don't run a cycle, work out your diet and cut naturally. Your borderline obese and tren will just **** you up more at such a high bf%
- 09-03-2013, 02:08 AM
Thanks for your concern
I'm running test at 70 a week so pretty sure that E will be in check even tho I'm fat.
I'm also running tren at retard low dose just to help out..
How do you think it might fk me up.. from what angle? I was thinking from fat=E2, but since I'm running T at 70/w... this sht might work
09-03-2013, 02:11 AM
And frying receptors? I'm pretty sure what you speak of is shutdown. And it can be very real without a post cycle. What was your pct and what is your planned pct? Also what did you use in your first cycle with dosages?
Btw, the reason **** ain't working is because you're shooting test subcutaneously. Seriously dude, I would spend some time on the forum and educate yourself because you seem like a total ****ing noob.
09-03-2013, 02:12 AM
I really hope you're trolling...
09-03-2013, 02:17 AM
Nah, not trolling.
I'm 178.. need to edit that..
I'm on trt dude, no pct for me.
..do your homework bro, sub Q works better then I.. keeps E2 low because of less fluctuations. Fat allows for smoother ride. Led spikes. So less E.
09-03-2013, 02:21 AM
And I still don't think you fried your receptors..
What was your first cycle?
Also I know nothing about subQ but I would assume that it is not superior to IM, or every one on this forum would be pinning subQ. I've yet to hear of anyone doing AAS subQ.
09-03-2013, 02:22 AM
Forgot to answer..
First cycle was test e, then cyp at 325 to 350.
It was a gongshow... one of my vials was garbage, hurt like a bitc,started, stopped,started,stopped,starte d,.. you get the idea..
Anyways.. receptors were fried.. when I got Bak on trt, it didn't work for 5 months.. lost everything and got fat
09-03-2013, 02:27 AM
Dude just relax a little bit..
I looked at the bf pics in a book and I look like 28.
I'm not a noon, I could answer a bunch of stoopid questions...
Sub Q works fantastic for trt..
Research was done in Montreal.. better then IM
Heavyiron did tren ace sub Q and said it was great.
Think about it.. no fkn veins and slow absorption = not spikes an no trencough
09-03-2013, 02:28 AM
Bro...you didn't fry your receptors using testosterone. You ****ed up your endo. Starting and stopping a cycle with a long ester is a bad idea. Trt didn't help probably because you messed up your cycle so bad. Trt does nothing for estrogen which you probably had large amounts of in your body after your botched cycle, which would explain the fat gain.
And I'm still sticking with my argument, no way you're 28%. If you are indeed 28% you should probably look at diet and maybe clen, not AAS.
09-03-2013, 02:29 AM
How do you know your "receptors" we're "fried"?
09-03-2013, 02:36 AM
Ok cool. Possibly wrong bf.. I don't give a sht.
I'm fat, not a whale.
Looking at pics I'd say 28.. maybe I'm over stating..25.. who cares?
Point is I am writing all the sht down so others can see what happens.
And yes diet.. again fk that. What are you? One of those tars that says steroids is only 5% of the equation? Hahahahahhahaha try 50.
Bro, in all niceness.. im fkn 37, working out with low T for 20+ years.. no digestion... whatever man..i put in my time, screw it.. now I want it now. time to get all the help I can get and look and feel great.
09-03-2013, 02:38 AM
I know my receptors were fried because I got back on trt dose and NOTHING for 5 months!
E doesn't stay hight for 5 months after a gongshow cycle.. plus I even tried ad ex..
09-03-2013, 02:44 AM
Alright man it's your body. But anyone with a bf over 20% has no business doing steroids.
Google clenbuterol. Once you get down to 15%, then consider a cycle.
And actually diet is pretty much 90% of anything you do. If you don't feed your body the right fuel, steroids will do nothing but **** up your hormones. For 37, you sound like a 17 year old talking about doing SD for his first cycle because he wants to get big quick.
You WILL hurt yourself further if you proceed
09-03-2013, 06:38 AM
Sounds like you have it all sorted out man so why bother asking for advice?
09-03-2013, 09:38 AM
This guy really knows his **** lol. I think I had more lbm when I was 12. Obviously whatever you are doing doesn't work bro. Try listening to someone else for once.
09-03-2013, 09:40 AM
Cool, now that we got that out of the way...
My intention with this the ad is to inform.
To allow people to see what can happen with a very small amount of roids.
You guys ever heard of some guy doing 70 test (that's less the typical trt) and 14o of tren ace?
You gotta search like a mofo and you may find one guy who tried something that low....
Anyways. Instead of bugging out like a bunch of little girls, shut up and enjoy the ride.
Look at you guys... pumping in every ass under the sun at high doses and giving me **** cause I'm not fit and only have one ab.
now if you idiots are done squawking, we can get back you my very light cycle,
Oh... and hahahhaHHhHHHHhahhahahha to 90% being diet...
Dude, if it were 9o%, a 300 lbs monkey could stay at 270 as easily, all he would have to do is stop roids and do the same thing...
And my ass would be able to gain 25 lbs of lbm in a year by eating 1.5 g of protein... etc...
Just eat enough, eat healthy, understand food dynamics.
Stay hydrated, sleep. ..unless you are competing, or at a real high level...
Me, im far from that.
I'd say it's 50% when it comes to putting on the size... you guys just like saying it cause it takes away that your buff and lean because you inject roids. (most of you)
Anyways... all opinions.
So. Day 2.
I'm eating less on my cycle.
Doing cardio and stretching on day 1,3,5
Working out upper body, and stretching on 2,4,6
Mostly working out my legs with cardio. Will throw in squats here and there at the rate of once a week.
Now guys, keep in mind, I'm looking to have discussions, and sht like that.
I know I should do this better, or that this way...
I have different goals.
I'm training to get better vo2 and Recomp, with muscle gain. Not like what you think, but the way i think..just relax.
..and to the idiot that's gonna laugh at what I said because I'm using tren for vo2, keep in mind I'm doing 140/w and doubt it will limit my breathing that much. If anything bro, we will all learn.
Hey I got an idea.. how about someone says: interesting. Very different approach. Question here. Fact there. Keep us posted
Last edited by jpg; 09-03-2013 at 10:13 AM. Reason: spellcheck is a douch
09-03-2013, 09:44 AM
Thanks for tuning in.
Bud, I have been tested for low T and was normal. Not low.
6 years later, just got on androgel and grew. Doctor could not believe it...
Point is, you probably were bigger. Good for you. You need something from me?
Shut up and enjoy the ride.
Last edited by jpg; 09-03-2013 at 10:14 AM. Reason: spell check
09-03-2013, 10:20 AM
Oh yeah.. pretty gruesome dreams for a little while.
Didn't think first pin, low dose would do that..
But then again, tons of you think it takes x amount of time before t starts working.. totally wrong.
I remember going to the doc when my androgel stopped working.. I was freezing.. he pinned me and within a day I was fine.
I'll keep posting everyday. I really do expect this to work out perfectly.. as long as I don't get the insane sides..
...need to learn how to put a gigantic pair of bouncing titties as my avatar.. help you guys relax some.. boobs. magical boobs. ( . ) ( . )
09-03-2013, 12:24 PM
Going to the gym. Will take before pics without my head.. will help determine my fatness level..
I will take them before working out..
09-03-2013, 12:49 PM
You guys heard the man - shut up and enjoy the ride. This is going to be epic!
I for one, cannot wait.
09-03-2013, 02:18 PM
There we go.
Shut up and enjoy the ride.
... Old grumpy figured it out..
Just got back from gym.
Things I noticed today..
Takes longer to bust a nut. Start sweating in half the time.
Harder to bring heart rate up.
Will not be posting pic..dont want my pic floating around.. my buddy said I'm more like 24% flab..
What if this **** works?
Low dose, slower Recomp, hopefully No sides.. or less...
I don't see any reason it wouldnt..
I'll keep you guys posted... same for you know it alls..
And I don't think it will be epic in a funny sense... might actually work.
Funny how so many of you think you know everything and can't even figure out that sub Q works better.. bunch of sheep.. he said it doesn't work.. must be right because a hundred people said the same thing... never tried it but whatever man.. must be true...
09-03-2013, 02:19 PM
09-03-2013, 02:25 PM
Thyroid my man!
A real response and question. Thanks bro
Maybe others will follow suit, relax and just talk without garbage.
Bro. I'm 37. Been training for 20 years with no results.
I don't want to wait a couple of years to get to where I can be in 3 months.
Thirty ****in seven bro.
Brain sharp, alpha, genuinely a loving man, but body is garbage.
I want the short cut.
Make sense to you bro?
Tic to tic to.. get it. Not married. No kids. On trt..
09-03-2013, 02:26 PM
And if you look at the post, I don't ask for advice smart ass.. but am willing to listen to any that is given, and choose independently from what you guys think is best.
09-03-2013, 02:34 PM
I got ya man. Just bee careful of BP and all that. It's ultimately is your body do whatever the **** you want with it. Honestly if you really believe this will be better your life and all that. Who the **** is anyone here to say it won't. Have at it and be careful.
09-03-2013, 02:39 PM
Appreciate that man.
I bloat so hard, im thinking tren low Dos will be perfect.
Dropped the T so less E
I can get caber real quick if I need it.
Have nova on hand just on case.
So far so good.
I weighed in at 167.. or 177.. dont remember but yeah. Down two lbs.
Might be that tren is fighting harder for the receptor sites, so less bloat.. ?
09-03-2013, 11:15 PM
09-03-2013, 11:33 PM
So here is the scoop.
Remember the gongshow cycle I had?
Trt did not work for 5 months afterwards.
I'm prone to bloat even when I use adex and find my sweet spot when I get wood all the time.
I don't know what my body fat % is, but I can e mail it to you MANotaur. As far as I know I'm not obese. Not even close.
I have read lots on tren, and doing it with trt dose of T, and how that has cut down on sides by a lot.
I do not buy into you need high T as a base and then add... especially after my receptors got fried.
So keeping t at 70 a day would keep e2 low.
We all know that tren sides get bumped up considerably with high E2. And having higher then normal fat, this can be a problem for me, even with adex.
Using tren ace, pinning ed, sub Q, allows for a very even and smooth delivery.
I have experienced it with my trt.
Using 140 a week, allows me to see how my body reacts, and bail if it blows.
140 trenbolone should be like 450 test, minute the bloat.
Add to that 70 Test E and that gives me approx 520 worth of T.
And I still get estrogen from the test aromitizing for normal function of the body.
I have nolvadex, and can get caber or pram fairly quickly if I feel it's high progesterone sides I start getting.
Is there anything you think I should keep an eye out for?
09-03-2013, 11:58 PM
Hard to believe your theory about receptor sites not responding. Because I ran over a 1000mgs a week test/700mgs tren/100mgs anadrol 11yrs ago and recovered fine. Not to mention all the stuff that led to that plus the PHs I have used throughout the years. Also 140mgs of trend is not like 450mgs of test. 450mgs of test would probably give way more muscle growth. It may be that you just don't respond well to steroids.
09-04-2013, 12:04 AM
I don't believe that everyone would have the same experience as I did. But I did.
Note that early in my posts, I do say that when tested, I had normal T levels. But had all the low T sides. When I got on low dose androgel, all sides disappeared.
..so my receptors were already showing iffyness...even with my own hormones..
I personally do not want to run High dose T again for this reason.
Yet I wanted to only run testosterone because it is the most natural hormone to use.
It is important not to dismiss people that say that the receptors they have got down regulated, because everyone is not the same.
Hope this clarifies things.
Last edited by jpg; 09-04-2013 at 12:07 AM. Reason: its not raining anymore
09-04-2013, 12:25 AM
I don't know if 140 of tren is like 450 of test, but from many people's opinion, it is 3 to 5 times stronger, and more effective then test.
I do know that I have not heard of people trying what I am, and I think it would be a nice experiment and contribution..
What if this works?
I have looked everywhere and have not found anyone who tried it and documented it.
09-04-2013, 12:27 AM
are you guys feeding the trolls again? what did I tell you about that?
09-04-2013, 12:30 AM
Dude go **** yourself unless you have anything to bring to the conversation. Craigslist might be a better place for you to hang out
09-04-2013, 12:33 AM
I do have to sell my car, and cragslist was suggested.....but I went the ebay plus auto trader route. Thanks for the concern though.
09-04-2013, 01:09 AM
And if your receptors were "fried" adding trt wouldn't really be effective at all.
I highly, I repeat, HIGHLY doubt you desensitized your androgen receptors after one basic AAS cycle. There are body builders who don't go off steroids for years and simple test still does the job.
Your theory simply makes no sense and you have absolutely no logical/medical reason as to how or why you have "fried" your androgen receptors.
I'm just playing the devils advocate here, not trying to be an *******. But your theory makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
09-04-2013, 01:12 AM
Do you have any solid medical evidence that your receptors have been down regulated?
And if they really are, wouldn't such low doses of steroids do jack-****?
Again, just playing the devils advocate.
09-04-2013, 01:28 AM
Got it. Thanks for being respectful.
Note how I had normal, not low, but normal testosterone. I was tested.
This is in 2006.
I got pharma hgh. I did it and boners everywhere.
I do believe hgh works on the receptors.
Eventually things went back to where they were. I was tested again, I had T. I told my doc to give me androgel. He did. Boom. I went back the next day and was 100.
He was choked. He repeated over and over.. 'your tests.. you have good T'
I told him **** your test. Hook me up.
..i wonder how many doctors rely on a God dam test and say no to trt.
What I'm saying is this.
Yes, it can be anything.
But if my own t did not work,
if hgh worked for a while and hgh does work receptors
If androgel worked for 2 months then stopped (yes I know it stops for many people)
If I did a cycle, gongshow or not, and then trt stopped working for 5 months,
Is it possible that my receptors have a problem?
Is it possible that other people can have the same issue?
I believe so. And everybody always saying it's impossible, is not true. Its an assumption based on many people's opinion.
09-04-2013, 01:34 AM
09-04-2013, 01:37 AM
to keep thinking one way because it has been repeated over and over, by intelligent people, is not being open minded.
As soon as we loose our openness, we go into the world of right/wrong, and stop considering people's opinions. Valid or not.
Look at IM vs sub Q
It's been tooted for ever that IM is the only way to go. Why?
Now people are switching over to sub Q. Why?
We want less tearing flesh, stable levels, less E2, but resist sub Q why?
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