40/e4d & 20mg tren ace/ed=70/w of test and 140/w of tren
- 09-04-2013, 01:04 AM
I don't believe that everyone would have the same experience as I did. But I did.
Note that early in my posts, I do say that when tested, I had normal T levels. But had all the low T sides. When I got on low dose androgel, all sides disappeared.
..so my receptors were already showing iffyness...even with my own hormones..
I personally do not want to run High dose T again for this reason.
Yet I wanted to only run testosterone because it is the most natural hormone to use.
It is important not to dismiss people that say that the receptors they have got down regulated, because everyone is not the same.
Hope this clarifies things.
Last edited by jpg; 09-04-2013 at 01:07 AM. Reason: its not raining anymore
- 09-04-2013, 01:25 AM
I don't know if 140 of tren is like 450 of test, but from many people's opinion, it is 3 to 5 times stronger, and more effective then test.
I do know that I have not heard of people trying what I am, and I think it would be a nice experiment and contribution..
What if this works?
I have looked everywhere and have not found anyone who tried it and documented it.
- 09-04-2013, 01:27 AM
09-04-2013, 01:30 AM
Dude go **** yourself unless you have anything to bring to the conversation. Craigslist might be a better place for you to hang out
09-04-2013, 01:33 AM
I do have to sell my car, and cragslist was suggested.....but I went the ebay plus auto trader route. Thanks for the concern though.
09-04-2013, 02:09 AM
And if your receptors were "fried" adding trt wouldn't really be effective at all.
I highly, I repeat, HIGHLY doubt you desensitized your androgen receptors after one basic AAS cycle. There are body builders who don't go off steroids for years and simple test still does the job.
Your theory simply makes no sense and you have absolutely no logical/medical reason as to how or why you have "fried" your androgen receptors.
I'm just playing the devils advocate here, not trying to be an *******. But your theory makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
09-04-2013, 02:12 AM
Do you have any solid medical evidence that your receptors have been down regulated?
And if they really are, wouldn't such low doses of steroids do jack-****?
Again, just playing the devils advocate.
09-04-2013, 02:28 AM
Got it. Thanks for being respectful.
Note how I had normal, not low, but normal testosterone. I was tested.
This is in 2006.
I got pharma hgh. I did it and boners everywhere.
I do believe hgh works on the receptors.
Eventually things went back to where they were. I was tested again, I had T. I told my doc to give me androgel. He did. Boom. I went back the next day and was 100.
He was choked. He repeated over and over.. 'your tests.. you have good T'
I told him **** your test. Hook me up.
..i wonder how many doctors rely on a God dam test and say no to trt.
What I'm saying is this.
Yes, it can be anything.
But if my own t did not work,
if hgh worked for a while and hgh does work receptors
If androgel worked for 2 months then stopped (yes I know it stops for many people)
If I did a cycle, gongshow or not, and then trt stopped working for 5 months,
Is it possible that my receptors have a problem?
Is it possible that other people can have the same issue?
I believe so. And everybody always saying it's impossible, is not true. Its an assumption based on many people's opinion.
09-04-2013, 02:34 AM
09-04-2013, 02:37 AM
to keep thinking one way because it has been repeated over and over, by intelligent people, is not being open minded.
As soon as we loose our openness, we go into the world of right/wrong, and stop considering people's opinions. Valid or not.
Look at IM vs sub Q
It's been tooted for ever that IM is the only way to go. Why?
Now people are switching over to sub Q. Why?
We want less tearing flesh, stable levels, less E2, but resist sub Q why?
09-04-2013, 02:47 AM
Agreed, but looking into it further takes time and costs money.
I can't even get my T paid for because I have normal levels.
Checking prolactin would be good.
This is gonna turn into another kind of threat if we keep going, and my health is a whole other topic
One I will bring up some other time
For now, I just wanna grow... and I think this might not only work but may inspire others to try low doses.. if it works that is...
09-04-2013, 02:51 AM
So I think subQ would only be ideal for very low doses. Injecting anything more than a ML would make the danger of abscess very real.
09-04-2013, 03:04 AM
I can't comment on assesses, but 1ml is the maximum recommended. ..its gets uncomfortable.. little pods need to dissipate..
The good thing is that you can easily take more shots because you are just doing it sub Q. So smaller doses.
Another point to bring up would be the only advantage I know of when it comes to IM. Spot atrophy.
This is yet another topic that people resist, ... you can grow a specific muscle faster by spot injecting lagging body parts with fast acting androgen like test prop or tren ace. Tren being the best for obvious reasons.
09-04-2013, 10:02 AM
I dont know that your receptors are burned out...i dont really agree that it evem exist and i e got studies that would suggest it if you wanna take a look.
What it sounds like to me duse is you have an abnormally high amount of aromatase and shbg. An idea would be to bump up your twst dosage to at leat trt doses and aboit 50 mg of tren a day. Thays kinda the minimum i would reccomend. Also i would add in proviron and aromasin at 100 mgs and 25 mgs a day respectively starting from day one.
Just my 2 cents bud hope it helps!
09-04-2013, 10:04 AM
09-04-2013, 10:10 AM
And my estrogen was checked as well. My doc was sure it would say high, it was normal.
As for my shbg, I don't remember if we checked it. I've don't think so.
What I wanted to know if you see a bug hole in my idea of running this low dose cycle.
People were on me because I was in less then optimal shape, more like fat. But not obese.. wanted to get your opinion.
And studies are studies. That's all they are. They point to a direction.
People get caught up with them even tho they are most likely always flawed in some way.
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09-04-2013, 10:22 AM
I was also using 70 a week for trt. It works very well.
My doctor is along the lines of Dr Gordon, and encourages me to read up on his ideas.
I've have tried 140 a week, I have tried 70 a week. I like 70 a week. I get more aggressive on higher doses.. or at least I did last year. ..thats not a problem, I actually like it, I just don't see a benefit health wise.
Ever since the t started working again, I have stayed on low dose and like it.
Oh yeah, my whole thing with this cycle is not only to use a low dose of Tren, but to limit, or not use any other compounds like a dex, provision, And get good results. All this, while starting the cycles at whatever bf% I already am. Approx 25..or whatever..
If I diet down on this cycle, I don't see why I would encounter problems... I would be saving the muscles I already built too.
09-04-2013, 10:26 AM
I'd like to apologize for constantly editing my posts, ..i use a blackberry for all this, and it's a pain in the ass to scroll up and down while writing it to make sure it's all good.. so pressing save then re reading it is easier..
09-04-2013, 10:51 AM
Ok day three
Sleep was Great!!!
I noticed my muscles being harder last night, but thought 'I'm just dreaming.'
I woke up this morning, with wood and my muscles are definitely harder.
I have decided for the sake of this thread, to post some pictures. Not sure of what or how many, but I will post something.
This is fun
Today is back, rear delt, biceps, forearms, grip,
Day 1 I'm doing push with abs, stretching.
Day 2 Cardio 25 minutes, stretching
Day 3)pull, stretching
I never did cardio before, so when I run eliptical) it is a workout for my legs as well as my vo2. I go backwards a bit to help grow..
I always did squats, 5x5 or high reps, but really can't handle doing cardio and squats at this point.
I need to choose, and I will work on cardio.
I'm keeping my workouts in the 10-20 rep zone.
I have done HIT a la Mentzer, 5x5, I just don't want to. My shoulders do not like it. Nor do my knees.. I rather no injury.
09-04-2013, 10:56 AM
Yeah i feel you. And thats fine if its working for you! Its ypur nody and its gonna be interesting to follow along with this. By far the lowest dose cycle ive ever seen or followed! Its gonna be fun
As for the bf and what not.- i dont think its a big deal. You ha e powerlifters that are obese running huge cycles and cruising on massive doses of test and oral compounds and nobody flips shot at them. Do what you want- obviously beig on clean diet cant hurt, and a lower bf will give you a good starting poi.t but its by no means a requirement.
Have fun bud im looking foward to following you
09-04-2013, 04:03 PM
09-05-2013, 12:17 AM
End of day three
I have pics to post, but have no idea how to do it from a phone... if anyone sends me a pm telling me how, that would be great.
So. I weighed in at 176.3
Pull day with stretching.
Felt weak at the gym
Muscles still a little harder then usual, but not by much.
I get pissed easily, but that's me on trt so nothing new. Actually, I'd say I'm less volatile ever since pinning... maybe because I have been more conscious of drinking water..
This is actually an interesting point... my first time on trt, I would be so volatile. like fkn aggressive. Like scary.
I was on a plane going to argentina and was loosing it.
We soon realized that without complete and proper hydration, on trt, I could possibly get very very overly agitated, aggressive and very confrontational.
This is just a side note... I soooooo believe in roids rage. sht I believe in trt rage. Its no joke. Funny.. but not really..
Anyways, I have a gallon of water with me so I'm ok
Day four tomorrow, can't wait to pin my belly.. so much better then my but.. especially when I hit the painful part compared to the part that goes in like butter..
09-05-2013, 11:01 PM
Day four was great. I feel a tiny bit harder.
No feeling of being 'on' or anything but harder.
I also could not believe I did cardio for 30 minutes at an average 160 heart rate
..that by the way, I'm my 0wn personal best..
09-06-2013, 12:07 AM
09-06-2013, 12:08 AM
09-06-2013, 01:21 AM
Might as well write everything I noticed today...
That busting a nut thing taking more time, no more. 20 seconds.. Like 4 times.. I win . Ever since trt I'm as horny as a teenager..
After doing my 30 minutes cardio I smelled odd. cant be too sure if it's the funk I hear people smell like while on tren, or the nasty t shirt that was stuffed back into my gym bag for a day...but it was rank.
Oddly enough.. I really think I'm calmer on tren.. I'm drinking more water.. but I don't think I have been that much... how the fk can I be calmer on tren? .. too many other variables for now but good to recognize..
Woke up from superwood last night at 1 am..
I remember my first cycle,first day, ****in wood all night, just standing there my himself.. and I sleep on my belly so that wasn't too cool.
I think my blood pressure may be very slightly gone up. Very slightly.
Ok. Push day tomorrow. Hope I feel something soon or I'm gonna freak out.. ..you know, when you train like a bodybuilder your whole ****in life (I had a bench in my house at 16) , and you train like a beast,.. i bough a leather jacket two sizes too big.. cause I was planning on growing into it... and keep doing that for 20 god damn years.. then do a cycle, get so happy cause your ****in getting huge, then loose everything.. you kind of loose motivation.
Oh. Side note. Everything is better while listening the 'Pyramids' by Frank ocean..
Last edited by jpg; 09-06-2013 at 01:26 AM. Reason: whats witht this reason for editing garbage? like you have to ****in explain yourself to someone..
09-06-2013, 01:49 AM
Something just came to mind.
If trenbolone and anavar both aid in fat loss because of the ability of their individual androgens to bind tightly to androgen receptors, would pinning sub Q, cause site induced liposis just like spot injecting a muscle with a fast acting steroid causes spot atrophy.
Fat cells have androgen receptors and this is why liposis happens with tren and var...
Injecting directly into the fat cell should have an impact.. and I think it would be a spot specific reduction in adipose tissue..
..theres a topic worth considering
09-06-2013, 01:53 AM
09-06-2013, 01:55 AM
If you don't like reading my posts, don't.
I guess you didn't like getting owned like a little bitch last time...
09-06-2013, 01:59 AM
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