40/e4d & 20mg tren ace/ed=70/w of test and 140/w of tren
09-03-2013 01:49 PM
You guys heard the man - shut up and enjoy the ride. This is going to be epic!
I for one, cannot wait.
09-03-2013 03:18 PM
There we go.
Shut up and enjoy the ride.
... Old grumpy figured it out..
Just got back from gym.
Things I noticed today..
Takes longer to bust a nut. Start sweating in half the time.
Harder to bring heart rate up.
Will not be posting pic..dont want my pic floating around.. my buddy said I'm more like 24% flab..
What if this **** works?
Low dose, slower Recomp, hopefully No sides.. or less...
I don't see any reason it wouldnt..
I'll keep you guys posted... same for you know it alls..
And I don't think it will be epic in a funny sense... might actually work.
Funny how so many of you think you know everything and can't even figure out that sub Q works better.. bunch of sheep.. he said it doesn't work.. must be right because a hundred people said the same thing... never tried it but whatever man.. must be true...
09-03-2013 03:19 PM
Does seen that way. I don't understand why not just diet now that your on trt? There's no excuses now that you t levels are g2g. I understand your frustration, this game is a marathon man not a sprint.
Originally Posted by Lukef2000
09-03-2013 03:25 PM
Thyroid my man!
A real response and question. Thanks bro
Maybe others will follow suit, relax and just talk without garbage.
Bro. I'm 37. Been training for 20 years with no results.
I don't want to wait a couple of years to get to where I can be in 3 months.
Thirty ****in seven bro.
Brain sharp, alpha, genuinely a loving man, but body is garbage.
I want the short cut.
Make sense to you bro?
Tic to tic to.. get it. Not married. No kids. On trt..
09-03-2013 03:26 PM
And if you look at the post, I don't ask for advice smart ass.. but am willing to listen to any that is given, and choose independently from what you guys think is best.
09-03-2013 03:34 PM
I got ya man. Just bee careful of BP and all that. It's ultimately is your body do whatever the **** you want with it. Honestly if you really believe this will be better your life and all that. Who the **** is anyone here to say it won't. Have at it and be careful.
09-03-2013 03:39 PM
Appreciate that man.
I bloat so hard, im thinking tren low Dos will be perfect.
Dropped the T so less E
I can get caber real quick if I need it.
Have nova on hand just on case.
So far so good.
I weighed in at 167.. or 177.. dont remember but yeah. Down two lbs.
Might be that tren is fighting harder for the receptor sites, so less bloat.. ?
09-04-2013 12:15 AM
Originally Posted by iparatroop
09-04-2013 12:33 AM
So here is the scoop.
Remember the gongshow cycle I had?
Trt did not work for 5 months afterwards.
I'm prone to bloat even when I use adex and find my sweet spot when I get wood all the time.
I don't know what my body fat % is, but I can e mail it to you MANotaur. As far as I know I'm not obese. Not even close.
I have read lots on tren, and doing it with trt dose of T, and how that has cut down on sides by a lot.
I do not buy into you need high T as a base and then add... especially after my receptors got fried.
So keeping t at 70 a day would keep e2 low.
We all know that tren sides get bumped up considerably with high E2. And having higher then normal fat, this can be a problem for me, even with adex.
Using tren ace, pinning ed, sub Q, allows for a very even and smooth delivery.
I have experienced it with my trt.
Using 140 a week, allows me to see how my body reacts, and bail if it blows.
140 trenbolone should be like 450 test, minute the bloat.
Add to that 70 Test E and that gives me approx 520 worth of T.
And I still get estrogen from the test aromitizing for normal function of the body.
I have nolvadex, and can get caber or pram fairly quickly if I feel it's high progesterone sides I start getting.
Is there anything you think I should keep an eye out for?
09-04-2013 12:58 AM
Hard to believe your theory about receptor sites not responding. Because I ran over a 1000mgs a week test/700mgs tren/100mgs anadrol 11yrs ago and recovered fine. Not to mention all the stuff that led to that plus the PHs I have used throughout the years. Also 140mgs of trend is not like 450mgs of test. 450mgs of test would probably give way more muscle growth. It may be that you just don't respond well to steroids.
09-04-2013 01:04 AM
I don't believe that everyone would have the same experience as I did. But I did.
Note that early in my posts, I do say that when tested, I had normal T levels. But had all the low T sides. When I got on low dose androgel, all sides disappeared.
..so my receptors were already showing iffyness...even with my own hormones..
I personally do not want to run High dose T again for this reason.
Yet I wanted to only run testosterone because it is the most natural hormone to use.
It is important not to dismiss people that say that the receptors they have got down regulated, because everyone is not the same.
Hope this clarifies things.
Last edited by jpg; 09-04-2013 at 01:07 AM.
Reason: its not raining anymore
09-04-2013 01:25 AM
I don't know if 140 of tren is like 450 of test, but from many people's opinion, it is 3 to 5 times stronger, and more effective then test.
I do know that I have not heard of people trying what I am, and I think it would be a nice experiment and contribution..
What if this works?
I have looked everywhere and have not found anyone who tried it and documented it.
09-04-2013 01:27 AM
are you guys feeding the trolls again? what did I tell you about that?
Originally Posted by jbryand101b
09-04-2013 01:30 AM
Dude go **** yourself unless you have anything to bring to the conversation. Craigslist might be a better place for you to hang out
09-04-2013 01:33 AM
I do have to sell my car, and cragslist was suggested.....but I went the ebay plus auto trader route. Thanks for the concern though.
Originally Posted by jbryand101b
09-04-2013 02:09 AM
I think you could have been suffering from high shbg.
Originally Posted by jpg
And if your receptors were "fried" adding trt wouldn't really be effective at all.
I highly, I repeat, HIGHLY doubt you desensitized your androgen receptors after one basic AAS cycle. There are body builders who don't go off steroids for years and simple test still does the job.
Your theory simply makes no sense and you have absolutely no logical/medical reason as to how or why you have "fried" your androgen receptors.
I'm just playing the devils advocate here, not trying to be an *******. But your theory makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
09-04-2013 02:12 AM
Do you have any solid medical evidence that your receptors have been down regulated?
And if they really are, wouldn't such low doses of steroids do jack-****?
Again, just playing the devils advocate.
09-04-2013 02:28 AM
Got it. Thanks for being respectful.
Note how I had normal, not low, but normal testosterone. I was tested.
This is in 2006.
I got pharma hgh. I did it and boners everywhere.
I do believe hgh works on the receptors.
Eventually things went back to where they were. I was tested again, I had T. I told my doc to give me androgel. He did. Boom. I went back the next day and was 100.
He was choked. He repeated over and over.. 'your tests.. you have good T'
I told him **** your test. Hook me up.
..i wonder how many doctors rely on a God dam test and say no to trt.
What I'm saying is this.
Yes, it can be anything.
But if my own t did not work,
if hgh worked for a while and hgh does work receptors
If androgel worked for 2 months then stopped (yes I know it stops for many people)
If I did a cycle, gongshow or not, and then trt stopped working for 5 months,
Is it possible that my receptors have a problem?
Is it possible that other people can have the same issue?
I believe so. And everybody always saying it's impossible, is not true. Its an assumption based on many people's opinion.
09-04-2013 02:34 AM
I like what you said about it being an assumption, though not a completely unfounded one. I guess the better thing to do would be to look deeper into the problem, why your testosterone isn't working, and what the other possible causes could be. Could be many many factors at play. Stress probably being a large one. Did you get your prolactin levels checked by chance? Some men have naturally high prolactin, and in turn a low libido.
Originally Posted by jpg
09-04-2013 02:37 AM
to keep thinking one way because it has been repeated over and over, by intelligent people, is not being open minded.
As soon as we loose our openness, we go into the world of right/wrong, and stop considering people's opinions. Valid or not.
Look at IM vs sub Q
It's been tooted for ever that IM is the only way to go. Why?
Now people are switching over to sub Q. Why?
We want less tearing flesh, stable levels, less E2, but resist sub Q why?
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