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    Agreed, but looking into it further takes time and costs money.

    I can't even get my T paid for because I have normal levels.

    Checking prolactin would be good.

    This is gonna turn into another kind of threat if we keep going, and my health is a whole other topic
    One I will bring up some other time

    For now, I just wanna grow... and I think this might not only work but may inspire others to try low doses.. if it works that is...

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    So I think subQ would only be ideal for very low doses. Injecting anything more than a ML would make the danger of abscess very real.
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    I can't comment on assesses, but 1ml is the maximum recommended. ..its gets uncomfortable.. little pods need to dissipate..

    The good thing is that you can easily take more shots because you are just doing it sub Q. So smaller doses.

    Another point to bring up would be the only advantage I know of when it comes to IM. Spot atrophy.

    This is yet another topic that people resist, ... you can grow a specific muscle faster by spot injecting lagging body parts with fast acting androgen like test prop or tren ace. Tren being the best for obvious reasons.
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    I dont know that your receptors are burned out...i dont really agree that it evem exist and i e got studies that would suggest it if you wanna take a look.
    What it sounds like to me duse is you have an abnormally high amount of aromatase and shbg. An idea would be to bump up your twst dosage to at leat trt doses and aboit 50 mg of tren a day. Thays kinda the minimum i would reccomend. Also i would add in proviron and aromasin at 100 mgs and 25 mgs a day respectively starting from day one.

    Just my 2 cents bud hope it helps!
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    Receptors are back to normal now. Took 5 months but the t is working again
    Woohoo!
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    And my estrogen was checked as well. My doc was sure it would say high, it was normal.

    As for my shbg, I don't remember if we checked it. I've don't think so.

    What I wanted to know if you see a bug hole in my idea of running this low dose cycle.

    People were on me because I was in less then optimal shape, more like fat. But not obese.. wanted to get your opinion.

    And studies are studies. That's all they are. They point to a direction.
    People get caught up with them even tho they are most likely always flawed in some way.
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    I was also using 70 a week for trt. It works very well.

    My doctor is along the lines of Dr Gordon, and encourages me to read up on his ideas.

    I've have tried 140 a week, I have tried 70 a week. I like 70 a week. I get more aggressive on higher doses.. or at least I did last year. ..thats not a problem, I actually like it, I just don't see a benefit health wise.

    Ever since the t started working again, I have stayed on low dose and like it.

    Oh yeah, my whole thing with this cycle is not only to use a low dose of Tren, but to limit, or not use any other compounds like a dex, provision, And get good results. All this, while starting the cycles at whatever bf% I already am. Approx 25..or whatever..

    If I diet down on this cycle, I don't see why I would encounter problems... I would be saving the muscles I already built too.
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    Ok day three

    Sleep was Great!!!

    I noticed my muscles being harder last night, but thought 'I'm just dreaming.'

    I woke up this morning, with wood and my muscles are definitely harder.

    I have decided for the sake of this thread, to post some pictures. Not sure of what or how many, but I will post something.



    This is fun

    Today is back, rear delt, biceps, forearms, grip,

    Day 1 I'm doing push with abs, stretching.

    Day 2 Cardio 25 minutes, stretching

    Day 3)pull, stretching

    I never did cardio before, so when I run eliptical) it is a workout for my legs as well as my vo2. I go backwards a bit to help grow..

    I always did squats, 5x5 or high reps, but really can't handle doing cardio and squats at this point.
    I need to choose, and I will work on cardio.

    I'm keeping my workouts in the 10-20 rep zone.

    I have done HIT a la Mentzer, 5x5, I just don't want to. My shoulders do not like it. Nor do my knees.. I rather no injury.
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    Yeah i feel you. And thats fine if its working for you! Its ypur nody and its gonna be interesting to follow along with this. By far the lowest dose cycle ive ever seen or followed! Its gonna be fun

    As for the bf and what not.- i dont think its a big deal. You ha e powerlifters that are obese running huge cycles and cruising on massive doses of test and oral compounds and nobody flips shot at them. Do what you want- obviously beig on clean diet cant hurt, and a lower bf will give you a good starting poi.t but its by no means a requirement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post
    Yeah i feel you. And thats fine if its working for you! Its ypur nody and its gonna be interesting to follow along with this. By far the lowest dose cycle ive ever seen or followed! Its gonna be fun

    As for the bf and what not.- i dont think its a big deal. You ha e powerlifters that are obese running huge cycles and cruising on massive doses of test and oral compounds and nobody flips shot at them. Do what you want- obviously beig on clean diet cant hurt, and a lower bf will give you a good starting poi.t but its by no means a requirement.

    Have fun bud im looking foward to following you
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    End of day three

    I have pics to post, but have no idea how to do it from a phone... if anyone sends me a pm telling me how, that would be great.

    So. I weighed in at 176.3
    Pull day with stretching.

    Felt weak at the gym
    Muscles still a little harder then usual, but not by much.

    I get pissed easily, but that's me on trt so nothing new. Actually, I'd say I'm less volatile ever since pinning... maybe because I have been more conscious of drinking water..

    This is actually an interesting point... my first time on trt, I would be so volatile. like fkn aggressive. Like scary.

    I was on a plane going to argentina and was loosing it.

    We soon realized that without complete and proper hydration, on trt, I could possibly get very very overly agitated, aggressive and very confrontational.

    This is just a side note... I soooooo believe in roids rage. sht I believe in trt rage. Its no joke. Funny.. but not really..

    Anyways, I have a gallon of water with me so I'm ok

    Day four tomorrow, can't wait to pin my belly.. so much better then my but.. especially when I hit the painful part compared to the part that goes in like butter..
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    Day four was great. I feel a tiny bit harder.
    No feeling of being 'on' or anything but harder.

    I also could not believe I did cardio for 30 minutes at an average 160 heart rate

    ..that by the way, I'm my 0wn personal best..
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    Might as well write everything I noticed today...

    So..

    That busting a nut thing taking more time, no more. 20 seconds.. Like 4 times.. I win . Ever since trt I'm as horny as a teenager..


    After doing my 30 minutes cardio I smelled odd. cant be too sure if it's the funk I hear people smell like while on tren, or the nasty t shirt that was stuffed back into my gym bag for a day...but it was rank.

    Oddly enough.. I really think I'm calmer on tren.. I'm drinking more water.. but I don't think I have been that much... how the fk can I be calmer on tren? .. too many other variables for now but good to recognize..

    Woke up from superwood last night at 1 am..

    I remember my first cycle,first day, ****in wood all night, just standing there my himself.. and I sleep on my belly so that wasn't too cool.

    I think my blood pressure may be very slightly gone up. Very slightly.

    Ok. Push day tomorrow. Hope I feel something soon or I'm gonna freak out.. ..you know, when you train like a bodybuilder your whole ****in life (I had a bench in my house at 16) , and you train like a beast,.. i bough a leather jacket two sizes too big.. cause I was planning on growing into it... and keep doing that for 20 god damn years.. then do a cycle, get so happy cause your ****in getting huge, then loose everything.. you kind of loose motivation.

    Oh. Side note. Everything is better while listening the 'Pyramids' by Frank ocean..
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    Something just came to mind.

    If trenbolone and anavar both aid in fat loss because of the ability of their individual androgens to bind tightly to androgen receptors, would pinning sub Q, cause site induced liposis just like spot injecting a muscle with a fast acting steroid causes spot atrophy.

    Fat cells have androgen receptors and this is why liposis happens with tren and var...

    Injecting directly into the fat cell should have an impact.. and I think it would be a spot specific reduction in adipose tissue..

    ..theres a topic worth considering
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpg View Post
    If you don't like reading my posts, don't.

    I guess you didn't like getting owned like a little bitch last time...
    owned? really. You couldn't handle me on the net (I'm too smart and much too good of a shyt talker for you) nor could you handle me face to face. You couldn't own me in any situation ever. Period. You are a gasbag big mouth who thinks he's some sort of a comedian, and you are not even good at it.
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    BTW, people do 70mg of test per week (or 50mg or 100mg or whatever lower mg per week) plus whatever additional AAS (deca or masteron or whatever) all the time, you aren't doing anything special.....yet you post like you are reinventing the fcking wheel....nobody cares.
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    Just waking up.. noticing dry mouth.
    Doesn't usually happen, it's cold in my room and I drank lots of water... yey it's a good sign... unless I'm getting a cold haha.

    Had good wood
    muscles feel like they have they been, harder..

    Was thinking about spot liposis and wanted to inject at the same spot for the remainder of the cycle, but woke up with the spot I injected yesterday feeling sore. Would have been nice to experiment with that, but I'm not gonna inject myself over and over in the same spot just to see if it works.

    Besides, even if it did work, wouldn't it eventually just grow back from all fat cells sharing the same fat burden? (don't know how to say that any better)

    ...foggy on this one cause anavar is known to help burn off visceral fat.. Ok, but does it eventually come back? doesn't each body have a specific blueprint as to how and where it stores fat according to genetic and influenced by hormones?

    Man I read all these things on other threads about dieting... horrible that we live in such a ****ed up society that to up our chances of survival, we need to diet down to retarded levels, do roids and speed up our death by taking diet pills ( what? You thought diet pills speed up your metabolism and oxidation without speeding up the end of your life?.. ) ...do everything unhealthy to be in 'health' magazines, and chop up our own bodyparts to feel accepted by others... an ourself

    Where is intellectual and spiritual growth exemplified? Where is being truthfull? Where is learning how to communicate?

    ...never mind that ****, I gotta count my macros...

    healthy relationships? Never mind, I fight all the time with my girl, but have you seen her ass!? That's a nice ass bro! Cant get that for free..

    Welcome to our society
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpg View Post
    Just waking up.. noticing dry mouth.
    Doesn't usually happen, it's cold in my room and I drank lots of water... yey it's a good sign... unless I'm getting a cold haha.

    Had good wood
    muscles feel like they have they been, harder..

    Was thinking about spot liposis and wanted to inject at the same spot for the remainder of the cycle, but woke up with the spot I injected yesterday feeling sore. Would have been nice to experiment with that, but I'm not gonna inject myself over and over in the same spot just to see if it works.

    Besides, even if it did work, wouldn't it eventually just grow back from all fat cells sharing the same fat burden? (don't know how to say that any better)

    ...foggy on this one cause anavar is known to help burn off visceral fat.. Ok, but does it eventually come back? doesn't each body have a specific blueprint as to how and where it stores fat according to genetic and influenced by hormones?

    Man I read all these things on other threads about dieting... horrible that we live in such a ****ed up society that to up our chances of survival, we need to diet down to retarded levels, do roids and speed up our death by taking diet pills ( what? You thought diet pills speed up your metabolism and oxidation without speeding up the end of your life?.. ) ...do everything unhealthy to be in 'health' magazines, and chop up our own bodyparts to feel accepted by others... an ourself

    Where is intellectual and spiritual growth exemplified? Where is being truthfull? Where is learning how to communicate?

    ...never mind that ****, I gotta count my macros...

    healthy relationships? Never mind, I fight all the time with my girl, but have you seen her ass!? That's a nice ass bro! Cant get that for free..

    Welcome to our society
    Sounds like you're having emotional issues. Should probably get some letro lolol
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    Wouldn't help... I apparently need more muscles
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post

    Dude...first off you're not 28% bf at 168 pounds 5.8. Unless you are basically all fat.

    And frying receptors? I'm pretty sure what you speak of is shutdown. And it can be very real without a post cycle. What was your pct and what is your planned pct? Also what did you use in your first cycle with dosages?

    Btw, the reason **** ain't working is because you're shooting test subcutaneously. Seriously dude, I would spend some time on the forum and educate yourself because you seem like a total ****ing noob.
    Oh jeez really? Now your giving advice? Wtf is this forum Turning into? And test can be pinned sub Q so wtf are u talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    Alright man it's your body. But anyone with a bf over 20% has no business doing steroids.

    Google clenbuterol. Once you get down to 15%, then consider a cycle.

    And actually diet is pretty much 90% of anything you do. If you don't feed your body the right fuel, steroids will do nothing but **** up your hormones. For 37, you sound like a 17 year old talking about doing SD for his first cycle because he wants to get big quick.

    You WILL hurt yourself further if you proceed
    ^^^^seriously? Dude u gotta stop cause you giving this advice while others have already tried to help you is redonkulous! Alright I gotta stop reading or I might reach threw this phone and choke a mother ****er
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    BTW, people do 70mg of test per week (or 50mg or 100mg or whatever lower mg per week) plus whatever additional AAS (deca or masteron or whatever) all the time, you aren't doing anything special.....yet you post like you are reinventing the fcking wheel....nobody cares.
    ^^^i need to leave before I break something
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow View Post
    ^^^i need to leave before I break something
    Go ahead tough guy, try to break something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post

    Go ahead tough guy, try to break something.
    ^^^^my comment wasn't directed to u holic it was directed at op and other people posting on this thread. I was actually agreeing with your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow View Post
    ^^^^my comment wasn't directed to u holic it was directed at op and other people posting on this thread. I was actually agreeing with your post.
    sorry man, wasn't sure if you were aggro at me or the OP....the ^^^ you used at my quoted post, plus the pissed off comment you left, swayed me in the wrong direction. My bad, you can kick me in the nuts one time for free I should have known you were too smart of a man not to agree with that post I made lol
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    Ok. Now we can get back to my very low dose cycle, one of which I have found no one try. But who knows, I may have missed something and am reinventing the wheel.

    If so, please direct me toward a thread where someone has done a trt dose of test, and tren at 140/w. So I can see the results.

    Either way, can we all try to keep this the thread healthy?

    Back to the thread..

    I have noticed something today. I feel something

    I'm about to walk into the gym.

    I really want to acknowledge and take off my hat to the moderators. Men filled with testosterone can easily sound like women.. no offense to the women here, but seriously.. being a mod is a fkn job in of itself.
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    I have done trt dosed test plus DHT, plus epi, plus mecha, plus 300mg deca, and I am a relative newbie to trt. I don't use tren anymore since I do not like it....but I am fairly certain I've seen dozens of guys claim to have used trt test plus tren....both low dosed. I also plan to use my remaining 36 organon deca amps at 100mg per week along with the trt test...and see what happens (maybe not much but....). So there.
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    What kind of needle are you using to inject the tren? Cuz at 20 mgs a day, your probably going to be losing a lot of oil in the needle.
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    Listen, if you want to participate, cool. But please contribute.

    I have looked for, and have not found, anything like the cycle I am running. Let alone, many cycles of the sort, that would help point towards results in gain and or fat loss.

    And telling me that you have done a lot of drugs does not illicit any kind of thought that helps me understand that you know anything about trt dose test and tren at 20/day
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    I'm injecting with 27g

    Yes I am loosing 30%. But at 20/ed, it is very little money. That still gives me 7 weeks per vial...****.. 5 weeks or something.. Oh well.. worth it for my health
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    Woooooohooooooo!!!!!


    IM ON THE ROID TRAIN!!!

    **** that! 5 days in, at 20/ed!

    Shiiiit!

    I could have kept going but screw that.. that's how you rip something!

    Whoop! Whoop!

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