40/e4d & 20mg tren ace/ed=70/w of test and 140/w of tren
- 09-03-2013, 03:34 PM
- 09-03-2013, 03:39 PM
Appreciate that man.
I bloat so hard, im thinking tren low Dos will be perfect.
Dropped the T so less E
I can get caber real quick if I need it.
Have nova on hand just on case.
So far so good.
I weighed in at 167.. or 177.. dont remember but yeah. Down two lbs.
Might be that tren is fighting harder for the receptor sites, so less bloat.. ?
09-04-2013, 12:15 AM
09-04-2013, 12:33 AM
So here is the scoop.
Remember the gongshow cycle I had?
Trt did not work for 5 months afterwards.
I'm prone to bloat even when I use adex and find my sweet spot when I get wood all the time.
I don't know what my body fat % is, but I can e mail it to you MANotaur. As far as I know I'm not obese. Not even close.
I have read lots on tren, and doing it with trt dose of T, and how that has cut down on sides by a lot.
I do not buy into you need high T as a base and then add... especially after my receptors got fried.
So keeping t at 70 a day would keep e2 low.
We all know that tren sides get bumped up considerably with high E2. And having higher then normal fat, this can be a problem for me, even with adex.
Using tren ace, pinning ed, sub Q, allows for a very even and smooth delivery.
I have experienced it with my trt.
Using 140 a week, allows me to see how my body reacts, and bail if it blows.
140 trenbolone should be like 450 test, minute the bloat.
Add to that 70 Test E and that gives me approx 520 worth of T.
And I still get estrogen from the test aromitizing for normal function of the body.
I have nolvadex, and can get caber or pram fairly quickly if I feel it's high progesterone sides I start getting.
Is there anything you think I should keep an eye out for?
09-04-2013, 12:58 AM
Hard to believe your theory about receptor sites not responding. Because I ran over a 1000mgs a week test/700mgs tren/100mgs anadrol 11yrs ago and recovered fine. Not to mention all the stuff that led to that plus the PHs I have used throughout the years. Also 140mgs of trend is not like 450mgs of test. 450mgs of test would probably give way more muscle growth. It may be that you just don't respond well to steroids.
09-04-2013, 01:04 AM
I don't believe that everyone would have the same experience as I did. But I did.
Note that early in my posts, I do say that when tested, I had normal T levels. But had all the low T sides. When I got on low dose androgel, all sides disappeared.
..so my receptors were already showing iffyness...even with my own hormones..
I personally do not want to run High dose T again for this reason.
Yet I wanted to only run testosterone because it is the most natural hormone to use.
It is important not to dismiss people that say that the receptors they have got down regulated, because everyone is not the same.
Hope this clarifies things.
Last edited by jpg; 09-04-2013 at 01:07 AM. Reason: its not raining anymore
09-04-2013, 01:25 AM
I don't know if 140 of tren is like 450 of test, but from many people's opinion, it is 3 to 5 times stronger, and more effective then test.
I do know that I have not heard of people trying what I am, and I think it would be a nice experiment and contribution..
What if this works?
I have looked everywhere and have not found anyone who tried it and documented it.
09-04-2013, 01:27 AM
09-04-2013, 01:30 AM
Dude go **** yourself unless you have anything to bring to the conversation. Craigslist might be a better place for you to hang out
09-04-2013, 01:33 AM
I do have to sell my car, and cragslist was suggested.....but I went the ebay plus auto trader route. Thanks for the concern though.
09-04-2013, 02:09 AM
And if your receptors were "fried" adding trt wouldn't really be effective at all.
I highly, I repeat, HIGHLY doubt you desensitized your androgen receptors after one basic AAS cycle. There are body builders who don't go off steroids for years and simple test still does the job.
Your theory simply makes no sense and you have absolutely no logical/medical reason as to how or why you have "fried" your androgen receptors.
I'm just playing the devils advocate here, not trying to be an *******. But your theory makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
09-04-2013, 02:12 AM
Do you have any solid medical evidence that your receptors have been down regulated?
And if they really are, wouldn't such low doses of steroids do jack-****?
Again, just playing the devils advocate.
09-04-2013, 02:28 AM
Got it. Thanks for being respectful.
Note how I had normal, not low, but normal testosterone. I was tested.
This is in 2006.
I got pharma hgh. I did it and boners everywhere.
I do believe hgh works on the receptors.
Eventually things went back to where they were. I was tested again, I had T. I told my doc to give me androgel. He did. Boom. I went back the next day and was 100.
He was choked. He repeated over and over.. 'your tests.. you have good T'
I told him **** your test. Hook me up.
..i wonder how many doctors rely on a God dam test and say no to trt.
What I'm saying is this.
Yes, it can be anything.
But if my own t did not work,
if hgh worked for a while and hgh does work receptors
If androgel worked for 2 months then stopped (yes I know it stops for many people)
If I did a cycle, gongshow or not, and then trt stopped working for 5 months,
Is it possible that my receptors have a problem?
Is it possible that other people can have the same issue?
I believe so. And everybody always saying it's impossible, is not true. Its an assumption based on many people's opinion.
09-04-2013, 02:34 AM
09-04-2013, 02:37 AM
to keep thinking one way because it has been repeated over and over, by intelligent people, is not being open minded.
As soon as we loose our openness, we go into the world of right/wrong, and stop considering people's opinions. Valid or not.
Look at IM vs sub Q
It's been tooted for ever that IM is the only way to go. Why?
Now people are switching over to sub Q. Why?
We want less tearing flesh, stable levels, less E2, but resist sub Q why?
09-04-2013, 02:47 AM
Agreed, but looking into it further takes time and costs money.
I can't even get my T paid for because I have normal levels.
Checking prolactin would be good.
This is gonna turn into another kind of threat if we keep going, and my health is a whole other topic
One I will bring up some other time
For now, I just wanna grow... and I think this might not only work but may inspire others to try low doses.. if it works that is...
09-04-2013, 02:51 AM
So I think subQ would only be ideal for very low doses. Injecting anything more than a ML would make the danger of abscess very real.
09-04-2013, 03:04 AM
I can't comment on assesses, but 1ml is the maximum recommended. ..its gets uncomfortable.. little pods need to dissipate..
The good thing is that you can easily take more shots because you are just doing it sub Q. So smaller doses.
Another point to bring up would be the only advantage I know of when it comes to IM. Spot atrophy.
This is yet another topic that people resist, ... you can grow a specific muscle faster by spot injecting lagging body parts with fast acting androgen like test prop or tren ace. Tren being the best for obvious reasons.
09-04-2013, 10:02 AM
I dont know that your receptors are burned out...i dont really agree that it evem exist and i e got studies that would suggest it if you wanna take a look.
What it sounds like to me duse is you have an abnormally high amount of aromatase and shbg. An idea would be to bump up your twst dosage to at leat trt doses and aboit 50 mg of tren a day. Thays kinda the minimum i would reccomend. Also i would add in proviron and aromasin at 100 mgs and 25 mgs a day respectively starting from day one.
Just my 2 cents bud hope it helps!
09-04-2013, 10:04 AM
09-04-2013, 10:10 AM
And my estrogen was checked as well. My doc was sure it would say high, it was normal.
As for my shbg, I don't remember if we checked it. I've don't think so.
What I wanted to know if you see a bug hole in my idea of running this low dose cycle.
People were on me because I was in less then optimal shape, more like fat. But not obese.. wanted to get your opinion.
And studies are studies. That's all they are. They point to a direction.
People get caught up with them even tho they are most likely always flawed in some way.
Last edited by jpg; 09-04-2013 at 10:13 AM. Reason: i hate spellcheck on a phone i cant use properly!
09-04-2013, 10:22 AM
I was also using 70 a week for trt. It works very well.
My doctor is along the lines of Dr Gordon, and encourages me to read up on his ideas.
I've have tried 140 a week, I have tried 70 a week. I like 70 a week. I get more aggressive on higher doses.. or at least I did last year. ..thats not a problem, I actually like it, I just don't see a benefit health wise.
Ever since the t started working again, I have stayed on low dose and like it.
Oh yeah, my whole thing with this cycle is not only to use a low dose of Tren, but to limit, or not use any other compounds like a dex, provision, And get good results. All this, while starting the cycles at whatever bf% I already am. Approx 25..or whatever..
If I diet down on this cycle, I don't see why I would encounter problems... I would be saving the muscles I already built too.
09-04-2013, 10:26 AM
I'd like to apologize for constantly editing my posts, ..i use a blackberry for all this, and it's a pain in the ass to scroll up and down while writing it to make sure it's all good.. so pressing save then re reading it is easier..
09-04-2013, 10:51 AM
Ok day three
Sleep was Great!!!
I noticed my muscles being harder last night, but thought 'I'm just dreaming.'
I woke up this morning, with wood and my muscles are definitely harder.
I have decided for the sake of this thread, to post some pictures. Not sure of what or how many, but I will post something.
This is fun
Today is back, rear delt, biceps, forearms, grip,
Day 1 I'm doing push with abs, stretching.
Day 2 Cardio 25 minutes, stretching
Day 3)pull, stretching
I never did cardio before, so when I run eliptical) it is a workout for my legs as well as my vo2. I go backwards a bit to help grow..
I always did squats, 5x5 or high reps, but really can't handle doing cardio and squats at this point.
I need to choose, and I will work on cardio.
I'm keeping my workouts in the 10-20 rep zone.
I have done HIT a la Mentzer, 5x5, I just don't want to. My shoulders do not like it. Nor do my knees.. I rather no injury.
09-04-2013, 10:56 AM
Yeah i feel you. And thats fine if its working for you! Its ypur nody and its gonna be interesting to follow along with this. By far the lowest dose cycle ive ever seen or followed! Its gonna be fun
As for the bf and what not.- i dont think its a big deal. You ha e powerlifters that are obese running huge cycles and cruising on massive doses of test and oral compounds and nobody flips shot at them. Do what you want- obviously beig on clean diet cant hurt, and a lower bf will give you a good starting poi.t but its by no means a requirement.
Have fun bud im looking foward to following you
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