Smash is back: Osta and S4 in pct - log and bloodwork
- 09-02-2013, 12:52 AM
Smash is back: Osta and S4 in pct - log and bloodwork
Sort of fell off a little bit when my life got super crazy, but things are getting easier and I wanted to start logging again. I sort of noticed my training and progress stalls when I'm not logging and Im not too happy with the last couple of months. My job has caused my training to suffer and I haven't been eating enough, so will be focusing more on frequency and increasing my calories.
So my last cycle started in October and I started pct on Sunday 8/11 which puts me at about 9-10 months. I had introduced myself to blast and cruise so a lot of that time was just trt, and the last 8 weeks were 250mg test e/week 80mg var/day 50mg proviron/day and 40mg dbol/day. I wanted to see how type 1 and 2 synergy worked with a trt dose. I ran 50mg clomid the whole time. I wasn't actually planning on coming off(I've been looking into trt) but out of respect for my wife Ive agreed to pct and get my blood drawn to see how my hpta is functioning.
I decided to run a small experiment to see how sarms work in pct(in terms of recovery) and am still using the blast and cruise concept.
I am unsure about adding DAA but if I do itll be around week 5. Im undecided on adding the exem sooner to deal with the supposed increase in aromatise activity from the osta and if I get vision sides from the S4 I will do 6 on 1 off - I'm already airing on the side of caution with it looking for the most results with the least sides/suppression. Im also starting the osta at a lower dose and starting S4 week 3 to better chances of recovery and to fit into the 2 weeks cruise 8 weeks blast. I will cease everything and get a blood draw week 11.
My goals are recomp/bulk, recover and see how the osta/S4 stack compares to aas. If my blood comes back looking good, I feel good and I make decent gains from this I may consider ceasing aas(at least for now).
- 09-02-2013, 01:22 AM
09-02-2013, 01:44 AM
I am in for this one and not to sound too much like a Dexter rip off but I love to see bloods!
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09-02-2013, 03:22 AM
09-02-2013, 06:41 PM
Educate me, but I didn't think Osta or S4 were good in PCT because they are suppressive? What advantage would be adding these to PCT be?
Is running Osta and S4 or either or in PCT worth it, if so I will run them?!
09-02-2013, 11:34 PM
09-03-2013, 12:17 AM
09-03-2013, 12:41 AM
Im also under the impression that S4 is suppressive at greater than 50mg, which is also where it becomes effective, so I'm hoping its a dose where the pro outweighs the con. Ive heard good things about stacking both and Im hoping the proposed dosage protocol allows for proper recovery while still giving great results - the question Im trying to answer is whether two potentially slightly suppressive compounds causes full suppression.
Im not the best test subject for this because my precycle bloods showed low average T and my likely hood of recovery is already getting iffy. So basically if I see any degree of recovery we will know that(at least for me) sarms can be run in pct, and not recovering might not necessarily be attributed to either of these compounds.
The clomid is ran all 10 weeks so this is technically a 10 week pct, and after week 11, depending on blood work I will restart pct to see if I can recover without sarms.
09-03-2013, 04:13 AM
09-03-2013, 12:09 PM
09-06-2013, 04:03 AM
Day: 26(first log)
So this is my first day of logging, about 4 weeks into pct, and my strength, energy and mood are pretty good, but libido is spotty. I have not lost any strength or weight during this time, but have had a pretty serious recomp effect - I'm not even cutting and have a six pack coming in. I am by far the most vascular, dry and hard I've ever been. Veins showing on abs, delts and calves/shins.
09-07-2013, 03:30 AM
Sides: my skin is still broken out but I hear its clearing up - don't really see it but maybe a little. Im overly critical about it. Not sure if its related but bowl movements have been painful, but it might just be because of the calorie increase. Vision sides are apparent from the s4 - yellow tint like all white is yellow, yellow is orange the world looks like I'm looking through sunglasses. I can handle it so far but my night vision sucks now, like my headlights are dim when I drive.
Had another awesome workout today, felt strong - there's definitely an on feeling. I lowered the volume to match my work and can tell you I feel like I could lift a lot more on every lift. By the time I got to the end of the workout I had an almost painful pump and my biceps/shoulders looked crazy vascular as I did curls - I see new veins every day.
So I'd like to mention I have my wife on 25mg of s4 everyday and she thinks its crazy too - shes hungry, vascular, energized and we are pretty sure she feels hot and sweaty because of her bf disappearing. She loves squats now too, and is already able to go harder on the kettlebells than me. She says she feels great, but her sex drive is diminished(she just started citalopram and that is a common side) - kinda works cause I don't feel recovered in that aspect yet.
09-08-2013, 06:49 PM
Had a real good shoulder workout yesterday, pumps seem more noticeable everyday as the muscles I work swell instantly. Veins are all over the front delt moving into the side and I'm getting them in my triceps now too. I have added carnitine-l-tartate and will be adding sodium bicarbonate to my creatine to buffer the acid and increase absorbtion. I also take sodium bicarbonate in the morning before and during work to buffer lactic acid build up, that way I have a better workout after work. Its not truly bicarbonate loading but I am taking a couple grams a day.
I would like to add some peptides, a boom dosing protocol would be sick right now, but for the purposes of this "experiment" I will hold off until week 12. I want to see how good the soft tissue repair of these sarms actually is - I will add msm, glucosamine and chondroitin to assist in this effect. My wife says she doesnt believe I'm in pct she thinks I'm still on cycle, and I've already said this has a very "on" feeling - I feel and look awesome. Libido isnt 100%, maybe 60 or 70%.
Today is an off day, I caught up on some much needed sleep - slept like 12 hours.
10-02-2013, 01:37 AM
Haven't had much time to log, barely even had time to work out - short intense sessions, usually less than 1 hour. My wife broke her hand and had to go into surgery, found out we're having a baby, and moved all at the same time. Needless to say I'm exhausted, but the sarms definitely help me push through everything. I've been recovering really well, getting leaner and still gaining weight(slowly). This stuff makes you super vascular, like more so than anything I've ever tried, and it happens real fast too. Like new ones everyday, I think this stuff targets the receptors for that hormone that induces vein growth(androgenic properties of s4?)
I added CLA with gaurana to see how much leaner I can get(Im not cutting). Im recomping pretty well so far and an additional 50% fat loss would be awesome.
10-02-2013, 06:06 AM
Busy man alright, I know what that feels like I've had similar issues going in recently. Glad to hear the sarms are going well, I've got some ostarine on its way, looking forward to it.
10-02-2013, 07:18 AM
Remember these compounds don't typically produce an "on" feeling with aggression, etc. If anything I would expect a drop in libido especially since you're using S4. Ostarine alone at 20
Mg cured my ulnar tunnel syndrome BTW. Something that had been bugging me for months. Goes to show how good it is at repair. What brand are you using? Oh and 45 minutes to finish a workout is perfect in my opinion. Expect greater recovery
10-22-2013, 09:34 PM
And ya having a pregnant wife and trying to provide is taxing. I'd say im averaging 3-4 times a week in the gym when Im used to 5-6.
10-22-2013, 09:38 PM
10-22-2013, 11:52 PM
10-23-2013, 01:36 AM
10-25-2013, 09:20 AM
Definitely subbed for your log my man. Just out of curiosity were you taking hcg or hmg when you get your wife knocked up? Lol I guess it only takes one, but you were on for a while!
10-26-2013, 01:21 AM
11-06-2013, 01:46 PM
Day: 87 - Lab Results
Went in for my hormone panel yesterday - its been 12 weeks since I came off cycle. I ran clomid up until week 10 and ran the sarms weeks 1-8 then weeks 10-12, stopping Saturday. I had intended to do a blooddraw at week 9 or 10 but funds wouldn't allow it until now. So not completly to plan but as close as possible without putting my life on standby.
So here's the readings:
Testosterone, Serum - 15 - LOW - 348-1197
LH - 0.5 - LOW - 1.7-8.6
FSH - 0.5 - LOW - 1.5-12.4
Estradiol - <6.0 - LOW - 7.6-42.6
I'm not going to lie, I expected low but not this. I feel fine - strength, energy, recovery, endurance are all great. I even have a bit of a sex drive, just not what I'm used to. Im super lean and vascular, I look great right now. Something that I have noticed is my hair is falling out really bad. Other than that I've felt amazing, just a little off - I guess because my body was using sarms instead of hormones? Anyways I stand behind them 100% osta/s4 is legit.
11-07-2013, 12:55 AM
11-07-2013, 07:03 PM
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