Smash is back: Osta and S4 in pct - log and bloodwork

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  1. I agree Warbird. Ran a 5 week pct with 12.5 mg Ostarine and 50mg clomid. 4 months later ran 2 weeks at 12.5mg ostarine and got bloodwork... Total Test was 152. Down from 852 pre-cycle. I find SARMS are very suppresive..to me at least. Something I will treat as a cycle from now on.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    Further proof that running a SARM in PCT is not the way to go. Damnit, and everyone thought they had found the magic compound....
    Super buzzkill, that plan is out the window now lol
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    Oh haha I was reading it wrong, wow so your serum test is only 15? That's incredibly low, you have a plan of action about getting it back up?
    Yes its almost non existent. It means one of two things:
    Either one or both of the two compounds are suppressive, or I cant come back - I permanently damaged my hpta. Its also possible theyre partially suppressive and I have a damaged hpta. Either way sarms seem to be great for hrt, at least to me.

    What does this mean? Well first of all I am not going to stop cycling, I have every intention of competing NPC at 205 for an IFBB title. Plus I really like being on.

    So what needs to happen is more experimentation. I have started another 8 week blast of mast/tbol/test which is not particularly hard to recover from. Once this has been completed I will start another aggressive pct without sarms, and get another panel after 4 weeks. This will show(at least for me) if the sarms impact recovery or if I'm just unable to recover. Might be the case, I had been looking into trt.

    Maybe someone else thats running osta solo in pct can get bloods for markers of recovery? This might help assess the difference between pct with osta/s4 and pct just osta. That way down the road when I try another pct with just osta or s4 we'll have a better idea. Of course more people getting in on this would make it more of a case study.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    Further proof that running a SARM in PCT is not the way to go. Damnit, and everyone thought they had found the magic compound....
    I ran both s4 and osta so its not quite over for me yet. Maybe one or the other might work, I won't know until further testing occurs being that I might just have a damaged hpta. Im still hopeful.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post

    I ran both s4 and osta so its not quite over for me yet. Maybe one or the other might work, I won't know until further testing occurs being that I might just have a damaged hpta. Im still hopeful.
    I saw blood work with Osta only and it was normal. Maybe its the S4 causing much more of the suppression.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    I saw blood work with Osta only and it was normal. Maybe its the S4 causing much more of the suppression.
    I have seen suppression in blood work of Ostra solo not even part of pct. And an interesting thread a while back on one of the ask PA sections..not sure which board, had some nice info on the fact SARM's were never meant to be less suppressive they were meant to display less androgenic side effects.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post

    I have seen suppression in blood work of Ostra solo not even part of pct. And an interesting thread a while back on one of the ask PA sections..not sure which board, had some nice info on the fact SARM's were never meant to be less suppressive they were meant to display less androgenic side effects.
    That's a good point.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post

    Yes its almost non existent. It means one of two things:
    Either one or both of the two compounds are suppressive, or I cant come back - I permanently damaged my hpta. Its also possible theyre partially suppressive and I have a damaged hpta. Either way sarms seem to be great for hrt, at least to me.

    What does this mean? Well first of all I am not going to stop cycling, I have every intention of competing NPC at 205 for an IFBB title. Plus I really like being on.

    So what needs to happen is more experimentation. I have started another 8 week blast of mast/tbol/test which is not particularly hard to recover from. Once this has been completed I will start another aggressive pct without sarms, and get another panel after 4 weeks. This will show(at least for me) if the sarms impact recovery or if I'm just unable to recover. Might be the case, I had been looking into trt.

    Maybe someone else thats running osta solo in pct can get bloods for markers of recovery? This might help assess the difference between pct with osta/s4 and pct just osta. That way down the road when I try another pct with just osta or s4 we'll have a better idea. Of course more people getting in on this would make it more of a case study.
    I've just finished my ostarine that I used in pct, I plan to get bloodowork done in a few weeks, ill let ya know how it turns out.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post

    I saw blood work with Osta only and it was normal. Maybe its the S4 causing much more of the suppression.
    Ya I kind of thought that might be the case, that's the main reason I want to retry pct with osta only and without sarms altogether. See what does and doesn't work for me, and if I can even recover whatsoever.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post

    I have seen suppression in blood work of Ostra solo not even part of pct. And an interesting thread a while back on one of the ask PA sections..not sure which board, had some nice info on the fact SARM's were never meant to be less suppressive they were meant to display less androgenic side effects.
    That would kind of explain the results and why I felt so awesome without all the androgenic side effects. I would argue that osta might be partially suppressive but wouldn't stop recovery during pct cause the pct would outweigh the suppression. Does anyone know how people feel after pct with osta? I felt a major crash coming off sarms. Tired, weak, sore, and irritable - it sucked.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    I've just finished my ostarine that I used in pct, I plan to get bloodowork done in a few weeks, ill let ya know how it turns out.
    Try to do it quick to see markers of recovery right after using it.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post

    Try to do it quick to see markers of recovery right after using it.
    I plan on getting it done when I'm back in civilization on Wednesday. But that will be around 10 days since I came off of it.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    I've just finished my ostarine that I used in pct, I plan to get bloodowork done in a few weeks, ill let ya know how it turns out.
    Try to do it quick the sooner the better cause you can recover naturally and we want to see if you recover while on the stuff.

    Haha my app said that hadn't posted... That's better than nothing how have you felt since coming off?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post

    Try to do it quick the sooner the better cause you can recover naturally and we want to see if you recover while on the stuff.

    Haha my app said that hadn't posted... That's better than nothing how have you felt since coming off?
    Pretty good man I feel normal again, I didn't have any crash or anything when coming off osta an my serms. Will be interesting to see how my bloodwork turns out. I'll let ya know anyways.

  15. New log up, check it out. I'm bulking with 1-test c/test e/test base/eq.

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