Apologize if I missed it somewhere on AM. What are symptoms of liver distress while on PHs? Urine or fecal color, odor? Pains in either right or left side? Things like this, please. Thanks.
It could be a few places, or all over.Itching all over the body or just in certain places? I had never heard of that
Lmfao....you were like these mofos are taking ridiculous amounts of this stuff and their livers are bound to be compromised ...so I'll ask these fools what their symptoms are. Using our reckless abandon to your research advantage...well played. Kind of insensitive...but well doneThanks all. BTW, I'm not currently on PHs nor do I have liver issues, I'm just curious and wanted to get the symptoms out there due to the number of AMers that seem to be overdosing.
Nope. Really just being curious and learning what to watch out for as the logged doses of PHs seem to be rising. Newbie here for PHs myself.Lmfao....you were like these mofos are taking ridiculous amounts of this stuff and their livers are bound to be compromised ...so I'll ask these fools what their symptoms are. Using our reckless abandon to your research advantage...well played. Kind of insensitive...but well done
I was just messing with youNope. Really just being curious and learning what to watch out for as the logged doses of PHs seem to be rising. Newbie here for PHs myself.
And I love it brother! I consider you one of the "knowledgable" AMers here. Lots of respect for you!I was just messing with you
LGI makes a pretty solid support supp called "Damage Control" that includes TUDCA, SAMe, NAC, and some other things.Also where the **** has tudca gone? Can't find it on nutraplanet. Might have to check Amazon or something
Apparently alcohol and NSAIDs are worse for your liver. I kind of want to find the study providing that info though.How bad does your liver get from taking these substances? I mean are people becoming paranoid? Compare taking Sten-Zine and Trestobol (that is what I will be taking) vs your nightly drinker and then who binges on the weekend, whose liver will be worse after 6 weeks? I have Tudca but back in the day I ran M1T with nothing at 20mg for 3 weeks (yes back when knowledge was limited) and only experienced lethargy...I am more just questioning how toxic are these substances?
Alcohol and ACETAMINOPHEN (tylenol, which is not an NSAID) are bad for your liver. NSAIDS are taxing on your GI tract and Kidneys primarily. They do put stress on the liver, but none I would be concerned about.Apparently alcohol and NSAIDs are worse for your liver. I kind of want to find the study providing that info though.
I can agree here. But a question I have is, wouldn't something stressful on liver be better than on kidneys? Because liver can regenerate and kidneys are just doneAlcohol and ACETAMINOPHEN (tylenol, which is not an NSAID) are bad for your liver. NSAIDS are taxing on your GI tract and Kidneys primarily. They do put stress on the liver, but none I would be concerned about.
PH's and oral steroids are NOT as terrible for the liver as most people in this forum believe. I think the supp companies want everyone to think they are so they can sell TONS of cycle supporting supps. Sure, milk thistle and TUDCA can't hurt, but I don't believe they are as necessary to take so much and so often as everyone so readily agrees on before, during, an after cycle.
AND.. I intend to prove it. I am monitoring a close friend while on SD. He is taking no cycle support, and we are running Hepatic Function Test labs every 10 days.
So far, so good. No change in labs, huge change in physique.
Oh the toxicity of oral designers and PHs is over exaggerated to a huge extent, but I will always run something to protect my liver, for the cost of some TUDCA I'd rather be safe than sorry !How bad does your liver get from taking these substances? I mean are people becoming paranoid? Compare taking Sten-Zine and Trestobol (that is what I will be taking) vs your nightly drinker and then who binges on the weekend, whose liver will be worse after 6 weeks? I have Tudca but back in the day I ran M1T with nothing at 20mg for 3 weeks (yes back when knowledge was limited) and only experienced lethargy...I am more just questioning how toxic are these substances?
Thanks for correcting my mistake.Alcohol and ACETAMINOPHEN (tylenol, which is not an NSAID) are bad for your liver. NSAIDS are taxing on your GI tract and Kidneys primarily. They do put stress on the liver, but none I would be concerned about.
PH's and oral steroids are NOT as terrible for the liver as most people in this forum believe. I think the supp companies want everyone to think they are so they can sell TONS of cycle supporting supps. Sure, milk thistle and TUDCA can't hurt, but I don't believe they are as necessary to take so much and so often as everyone so readily agrees on before, during, an after cycle.
AND.. I intend to prove it. I am monitoring a close friend while on SD. He is taking no cycle support, and we are running Hepatic Function Test labs every 10 days.
So far, so good. No change in labs, huge change in physique.
Well, you weren't actually wrong about NSAIDs and Alcohol being bad for your liver. Alcohol shouldn't be mixed with any medication, and people generally drink too much, in my opinionThanks for correcting my mistake.
Agreed. I think pro hormones are blown out of proportion to be honest.Well, you weren't actually wrong about NSAIDs and Alcohol being bad for your liver. Alcohol shouldn't be mixed with any medication, and people generally drink too much, in my opinion
If you think prohormones are blown out of proportion do some reading on the medicinal uses, doses, and duration of Anadrol.Agreed. I think pro hormones are blown out of proportion to be honest.
In for results.Alcohol and ACETAMINOPHEN (tylenol, which is not an NSAID) are bad for your liver. NSAIDS are taxing on your GI tract and Kidneys primarily. They do put stress on the liver, but none I would be concerned about.
PH's and oral steroids are NOT as terrible for the liver as most people in this forum believe. I think the supp companies want everyone to think they are so they can sell TONS of cycle supporting supps. Sure, milk thistle and TUDCA can't hurt, but I don't believe they are as necessary to take so much and so often as everyone so readily agrees on before, during, an after cycle.
AND.. I intend to prove it. I am monitoring a close friend while on SD. He is taking no cycle support, and we are running Hepatic Function Test labs every 10 days.
So far, so good. No change in labs, huge change in physique.
In__Final labs are pending
Deff. can't wait for those labs. You peaked my curiosityFinal labs are pending
I believed this all along too. Ppl drink tons of alcohol and take NSAIDS like they're skittles but never think twice about their liver. Sure its great to b cautious but the hepatoxicity of orals is definitely exaggerated to say the least.So the cycle went like so:
SD 10/20/20/20/20
EPStane 0/0/0/45/60/60/75/75
His final labs were a tad elevated, but within normal limits.
+ 26lbs before PCT.
I am not sure where he is now, but still looks fukkin jacked.
And he is healthy and no reported liver support supps at all.
Bingo, only people who are susceptible to liver issues and/or have a pre-existing condition (they may or may not know about) need to worry about short methyl cycles done with ample time off between. Same with heart conditions etc....I've found only certain individuals get heart or liver or whatever organ issues, and most guys don't have any problems other than moderately elevated liver values for a short time.True, but people should also be aware if they have any pre-existing conditions. Liver Labs before, during, and after any Methyl oral cycle are a must IMO.
Agreed. I got an iron liver lol. I just stepped into the dark side 2day so idt I'll see orals much more, maybe for a nice blast but that's it.Bingo, only people who are susceptible to liver issues and/or have a pre-existing condition (they may or may not know about) need to worry about short methyl cycles done with ample time off between. Same with heart conditions etc....I've found only certain individuals get heart or liver or whatever organ issues, and most guys don't have any problems other than moderately elevated liver values for a short time.
Like syphilis lolThese supplement companies have to put big red warnings all over the bottles for fear of being sued. All it takes is one jackwad to crap out his organs and sue because there were no visible warnings. PH/DS can be taxing on the body in many different ways other than liver stress, SD will put your HDL into the single digits. Be smart, run a little "body" support supp and roll with it. If you're out drinking and getting tanked with tramps in the corner of a bar, then you have bigger problems to worry about.
Yeah, but thats not fair to use your liver as an example....that thing has been hardened like steel after years of (whatever drug you used) abuse lol, it had to adapt to protect itselfAgreed. I got an iron liver lol. I just stepped into the dark side 2day so idt I'll see orals much more, maybe for a nice blast but that's it.
Lol drug(s). At least I don't drink hahaYeah, but thats not fair to use your liver as an example....that thing has been hardened like steel after years of (whatever drug you used) abuse lol, it had to adapt to protect itself
I'm drinking a beer right now. I hardly ever drink and I'll probably just have this one, but I'm also not on cycle. It's all about finding that moderation, and then taking it a step back.Lol drug(s). At least I don't drink haha
True dat brah. I just don't drink cuz I always get drunk, with an addictive personality ppl like me just have to abstain cuz a few is never enough.I'm drinking a beer right now. I hardly ever drink and I'll probably just have this one, but I'm also not on cycle. It's all about finding that moderation, and then taking it a step back.
Hey kuddos to you for being able to identify that and make the proper judgement calls. That usually takes some hard experience to learn that.True dat brah. I just don't drink cuz I always get drunk, with an addictive personality ppl like me just have to abstain cuz a few is never enough.
Hard is an understatement, I'd never wish addiction on my worst enemy.Hey kuddos to you for being able to identify that and make the proper judgement calls. That usually takes some hard experience to learn that.
So if a bear pisses on the woods does that mean it never happened?Because if you google symptoms of liver damage, nothing comes up...
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