anavar only cycle users in the past.
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08-24-2013, 03:57 PM
I didn't say anything about PHs. Real test. Anavar is mild, and for the price it doesnt make sense to do it by itself. If you dont want to pin you can save yourself alot of money, dump the Var and get just as good of results with Havoc/Epi. Maybe im totally off, but the var wasnt super dramatic. Awesome vascularity wise and helped to lean out in the end. Im sure if yoy already have low BF the results are prob even better
Stay steady on Calorie deficit and you will shred up.
08-24-2013, 05:07 PM
You don't have to be in a calorie deficit to shred up.
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08-24-2013, 08:13 PM
I read into this concept and controlling blood sugar and insulin Im finding is key. I can train like this for very long periods of time, but I find I fall off because I get lazy and grow bored of my food. Totally makes sense though in terms of training the body to use energy differently. I like it
08-24-2013, 08:26 PM
carb cycling and/or isocaloric dieting (33% of each macro) work well for "efficiency" essentially dropping carbs lower and adding in additional fats and protein works wonders...like you say, controlling blood sugar is a key component of the whole thing. Even all fat and protein with no/minimal carbs works well....I just can't walk around flat as a pancake all the time with no carbs in me lol.
08-24-2013, 09:39 PM
another key component in metabolic efficiency training is also how you train. one needs to increase their anaerobic base and allow their body to be able to utilize fat as a fuel source, even during bouts of intense exercise.
it's makes a difference in "crashing".
I always tell my clients, workouts are like school for your body, we are trying to teach your body how to be an effective fat burner the other 22-23hours of the day when you aren't in the gym.
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08-24-2013, 09:50 PM
08-24-2013, 10:16 PM
I listen. So in regards to replenishing after a intense aerobic workout, what would be the timing for eating. From what I read it seems most effective to have electrolytes and BCAAs but didnt really talk about the eating procedue from that point forward. Specifically timing?
08-24-2013, 10:23 PM
08-25-2013, 12:57 PM
I it's pukka gear you'll see an increase in vasculArity, clear drop in fat and increase in fullness without adding test to the mix.
It depends on your goals an your start point. I wouldn't advise someone sitting at 25% fat to take var. I would say get your diet an training nailed an then when you are around the mid low teens smash it in an you'll see the results.
An alternative is winstrol either tabs or suspension. A little test would be good with that too.
What sort if shape are you in now and what are your goals?
08-25-2013, 05:50 PM
I've discussed carbs vs no carbs post workout with pa, and he seemed to feel that the benefits of carbs + protein post workout out weigh the negatives of having insulin in your blood, causing lypolisis to stop.
I'd have to research more on what bob recommends specifically. I tend to have my clients take a fast absorbing, no carb protein isolate post workout, then about 45min-1hr later, have a healthy meal consisting of hand size protein (some kind of meat) and hand size veggies. so half an half.
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08-25-2013, 06:46 PM
Im around 14 to 15% bf at 195. I just want to get lean as possible in 8 weeks.(I've never got super lean before. Im always around 11%bf when im at my leanest. I always stop my diet cus I look flat and small)
08-25-2013, 07:50 PM
I'd say go for it. With that BF and assuming yor diet is dialled in you'll pull more fat off an add a little muscle so you'll look good at the end of the cycle.
If you don't like the end result in terms of size try again with a touch of test, most use prop and var for an 8 week course or I not winstrol will cut you more an dry you out a touch more. Again with a little test you'll get nice lean gains without the water retention.
08-25-2013, 11:05 PM
I say the prop and var would give better results bro. Honestly if you want to build some lean body mass and burn stubborn visceral fat you could look into SARMS as well. I was amazed with the results I got from ostarine and I didnt even stack it with S4 which would give optimal results. Check out my results with Ostarine. I posted some pics.
For the money you spend with Var I just don't think you will be satisfied with just that. Superior results will come with adding test and Var will really shine in the end. Someone with lower BF would see better results with Var only, but its just so mild. a 8-10 week run starting with Test and then starting Var around week 5 would make you savage. As far as how much muscle you want to build will be determined by your eating regimen. Prop and Var combo is solid. 80-100mg a day of Var for 5 weeks plus is pretty spendy to just test out. I just did a test and prop run that I just finished up. I wanted the same results, not super bulky..build some lean muscle, and mostly get that cut look with muscle seperation. Var and prop did it for sure
Check out SARMs though if you havent. I was super impressed.
08-25-2013, 11:07 PM
08-25-2013, 11:13 PM
I settled on that protocol as well after years of doing this and that with BCAA and carbs and protein etc.....I now just take 2 scoops of ON whey at 48 grams of protein with minimal carbs and fat. Then I eat whenever I get hungry hours later. Simple.
08-26-2013, 03:15 PM
Psst...I am going to let everyone in on a secret.
If you want to gain weight, increase carbs. If you want to lose fat, reduce carbs. How much I would have given to just follow this philosophy from day one and not try and deal with all the emerging science that clouds ones head. High protein/low-mod Fat/ High Carb = gain weight high Protein/mod fat/low carb = lose fat.
Add in anabolics and the above effect is enhanced.
08-26-2013, 03:25 PM
Lol, that sounds crazy. How could that possibly be true?Originally Posted by HereToStudy
It's funny how many people think that steroid A generates 10 lbs of muscle and steroid B generates 15 lbs. I liken this to a kid going into a sporting good store and asking the clerk "Sir, could you tell me how many home runs I'll hit with this baseball bat?"
HTS, your totally right. It's all about diet and training. AAS does nothing but support the effort.
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