12 Week Dianabol, Test, Tren lean bulking cycle log
- 11-14-2013, 01:26 PM
1. For the prolactin rebound, I have caber on hand so should i run that for a few weeks into my pct while the tren ace completely clears??
I dont want to drop the nolva
2. Okay I will drop adex, save it for future cycle. So just Nolva nd clomid?
3. I have been running HCG, 250 ius twice a week with my test cyp injections. Nuts are in good shape
The HCG blast at end would be an added layer of security to really kickstat my natural recovery. Maybe I wont do 500 ius for 10 days, maybe just 500 Ius every other day for 10 days so 2500 total.
- 11-14-2013, 01:27 PM
- 11-14-2013, 01:32 PM
Also as you guys can see from the pict, i am not above my genetic potential, i'm not freakishly big, just in the 180's at a body fat level slightly higher than 10%. I believe that with a good pct my body can sustain this naturally.
11-14-2013, 02:17 PM
11-14-2013, 02:18 PM
I think you missed the point tho. Reducing the hcg doesn't fix the issue of it not being there. It has no business in that spot of your pct. If thats what you wanna run go ahead tho.
For the nolva using caber doesn't fix the problem. The problem is you DON'T run nolva after a 19nor (tren, deca, npp). Your scared of estrogen rebound? From what? Tren doesn't aromatize only test does. And you aren't running enough to worry about rebound if you pct with clomid right.
If you were truly worried about rebound you wouldn't prevent it with a SERM anyways... because you can rebound off those. You would use a suicidal aromatase inhibitor like exemestane (aromasin).
You need to rethink your pct and do some research. You obviously just cookie cutted it or decided to take EVERYTHING without any research.
My work here is done haha
The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
11-14-2013, 03:27 PM
11-14-2013, 04:17 PM
I always thought one of the benefits of running hcg on cycle is that is allows the PCT to be much less complicated afterwards. I mean, your LH is probably still low, like .5-1.0 at best. But it isn't completely dead so the bounce back should happen immediately upon taking a SERM. Blasting then moving right into a SERM could desensitize your body to all of it, which means that after PCT is over, your T levels could plummit anyways.
I'd just run the 250iu/twice a week in the first of the two weeks that you are clearing the test. Then after the 2 weeks of clearing is over, jump on Clomid.
You need to let that hcg clear your system as well before starting Clomid, imo. If I had all the resources to do whatever, I'd actually just run 100iu/day of the hcg in the weeks while I was clearing the test and stop everything a few days before starting up Clomid therapy.
Running 100iu/day simulates a similar pulsing that your body would naturally do. Take in the am. Frequency can matter just as much as dosing when you are trying to retrain your body to do its own thing.
BTW, you did a really good job cutting up. I'm impressed with the progress and I think you should keep it going well into PCT to make even more dramatic gains. If you get super low in BF, you'll actually adjust your fat set point which means you'll permanently stay in that realm of bf%.
11-15-2013, 05:41 AM
11-15-2013, 08:15 AM
11-15-2013, 08:25 AM
I have no tolerance to people who speak down to others in a condescending way. That is rude, disrespectful, shows lack of manner and class.
This is why I have respect for you FP, you are older than me and have more experience in bodybuilding as a whole, yet you do not speak down to me in a condescending way. It's just a basic life skill.
I am not arguing with his advice, it could very well be right. But the way he worded himself "You obviously didnt do your research" it came off as disrespectful. I am not confrontational and he probably just meant well. Just a misunderstanding.
I apologize for what i said.
I am looking for constructive helpful feedback, not criticism.
I agree with you FP and will follow your advice, I will continue the HCG for two weeks after last injection at 200 ius every other day (running low on insuling needles). Then wait 2-3 days then start the clomid and nolva, I will continue to run caber and adex for two weeks after last injection as well.
I will however, tone down my cutting intensity in pct, I will definitely drop the t3, up the carbs and lower the cardio.
I will no longer be in anabolic environment and I will have to focus on preserving muscle mass instead of losing body fat.
Thanks for saying I did a good job cutting up, I still have 4 weeks left of cutting then doing a photoshoot ( I want to fitness model/compete in mens physique in future) So well see how my cut went.
Something tells me I will be just fine.
Thank you everyone for your advice and help.
It's much appreciated.
11-15-2013, 09:31 AM
I'm not actually convinced there is any one way to do it. I've seen successful hcg blasts, SERM only and a combination of the two all do their jobs respectively..
11-15-2013, 10:17 AM
That said, there are two thoughts I have about respecting others in conversation. One is that while it is a basic skill, it isnt common. More people dont have this skill than do. It takes constant selflessness and thinking before speaking to hone the skill. Two is that for a number of reasons people are ultra insensitive when communicating over the internet. The concept of speaking to someone whom you'll likely never meet and cannot see face to face takes away some of that desire to respect people when talking to them.
I try my best to help others as much as possible and lately I have been trying to genuinely care about even those people who I dont really know, such as yourself.
11-15-2013, 01:04 PM
I feel like education and being raised in a decent family will hone this skill (on top of many others such as integrity, leadership, honor, respect, a sense of a greater duty and purpose)
That's why oftentimes in a minority communities, ghettos that dominated by uneducated poorly raised hispanics and blacks, there is no sense of a moral code at all. These types of individuals are very primitive in their ways, condescending, rude, judgmental.
It is understandable because in their society ( if you can call it that) being rude, putting down others, acting like animals, is a sign of strength and toughness which is prized in their dog-eat-dog society. Here you will find the simple basic primitive values of greed, selfishness, jealousy.
If you are familiar with Freud, he mentions the ID, which is the basic human desire to instantly satisfy wants. This is why these ghetto communities are plagued with drug dealers, liars, murderers, rapists, so on.
Yet in a while collar community, with asians and whites as the main demographic, class and manners are a lot more valued. Here you find the higher human values of selflessness, honor, duty, respect, a desire to help others. In white suburban communities the EGO and SuperEgo are more developed, we know how to control our primitive impulse and stive to be individuals of character.
Real World Example: I am in the military and the reason why I joined is because I am patriotic and had a sense of duty.
There are numerous soldiers in my company that are from the ghetto, mostly blacks and hispanics, the slums who only joined for the financial compensations or some other personal gain. (the smarter ones among them will say they joined for the country, but i highly doubt it, its against their upbringing to exhibit such a noble trait).
Sorry for the rant haha
11-15-2013, 01:24 PM
11-15-2013, 03:25 PM
11-15-2013, 04:08 PM
11-15-2013, 04:49 PM
Haha i guess this is the wrong board for this ****.
Back to topic,
Oh yeah about to go hit the gym Doing Tris and Cardio
Just had a 8 ounces grilled chicken, salad with egg whites, tomatoes, a little cheddar cheese, rice, a few meatballs, and brocolli
Its not 100% clean as u can tell by meatballs and cheese but the t3 and clen more than make up for that so **** it
Plus i try to eat at maintenance, letting the tren clen t3 and cardio take care of fat loss not a calorie deficit or low carb diet
Doing weighted Dips with a belt and 2 45's going for reps reps reps
Trisep Pushdowns superset with kickbacks gunna tear up my ****ing tris brah
Then 30 min of treadmill at 9 min per mile pace usually burn around 550 calories doing that
then injecting 1 CC of tren ace deep into my quad
11-16-2013, 01:21 PM
okay so i have 4 more weeks left of cutting. Weighted in this morning, Dehydrated, completely empty stomach at, after going to bathroom, at 184 lbs.
Waist size is 33 inches, arms still 17.5 inches. Its insane i dropped 4 lbs in a week and a half, i dont want to do it too fast dont want to burn muscle.
Im guessing my body fat percentage is around 11-12% in 4 weeks i want to be in the high 170's or 180 flat with a 32 inch waist bodyfat percentage at 10 or slightly below. Then i'l be in good shape for the fitness photoshoot i have booked
This picture was taken this morning after intense fasted cardio, you can tell it was intense by the sweat. No pump, no glycogen muscles depleted looking small. I look alot bigger after some hearty meals and pumping chest and bis
11-16-2013, 04:55 PM
11-30-2013, 08:46 PM
2 more weeks to go before fitness photoshoot..
test prop, tren, masteron doing its thing gettin leaner, harder, vascular.
taken this morning, no pump.
starting monday will add clen and winny for last two weeks
What are your thought for the photoshoot?
Take a OTC diuretic for a few days before the shoot?
Go to gym in the morning of the photoshoot, pump up arms and chest?
Do the shoot fasted as to prevent stomach bloat?
12-02-2013, 08:54 PM
started taking clen and winny today for last 2 weeks.
13 days to go until fitness model photoshoot, **** yeah bitches
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