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    Recommendations for 2nd PH cycle ?!!


    My first cycle was just over 3 weeks of Epistane(Havoc) at 40mg ED with a few days at 30mg to begin with. Decent results , lean mass relatively low sides ,just some lethargy and back pumps!

    I want to run a 2nd PH cycle after about a 2 month break , originally I was just going to run Havoc again for 5 weeks but have heard good things about tren and superdrol clones such as methdrol.

    Please advise me guys !

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    sd is banned so good luck finding it

    just do epi for 6 weeks, maybe add tvar if you wanna experiment. tvar isnt methylated, so it wont destroy your body too much. itll just supress you more
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    That's a pretty big jump from an incomplete 3wk epi cycle to superdrol. If you stopped early due to sides on 40mg of epi then sdrol will probably kill you lol jk but sides are much much more severe with sdrol. Like onion said get a solid 6 week epi run in before jumping up to something stronger.
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    Add some stano to fight lethargy. Start dose at 600 and increase to find tolerance lvl. I run stano at 800-1000mg to fight on cycle lethargy
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    My vote goes to mechabol or one of the clones dosed at 100mg every day along with a test base or stano. Very low on sides and pretty good results overall for a second cycle. Get you some "damage control" ro protecr tour heart and liver and some raurine for the back pumps If you get them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Add some stano to fight lethargy. Start dose at 600 and increase to find tolerance lvl. I run stano at 800-1000mg to fight on cycle lethargy
    Stano +hdrol or epi sounds pretty dope actually.
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    cheers guys ! just to let you know i didn't stop cycle due to sides i had only bought one bottle of Havoc as i only wanted to test the waters to begin with.
    liking the stano+epi suggestion !
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post

    Stano +hdrol or epi sounds pretty dope actually.
    I've never tried hdrol but stano works great alongside epi.... **** I've stacked stano with every run I've ever had to date
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    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post

    I've never tried hdrol but stano works great alongside epi.... **** I've stacked stano with every run I've ever had to date
    Good stuff man I was looking for something effective for my cycle and stano looks like a perfect add on. I was looking for a compound to combat tiredness as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    Good stuff man I was looking for something effective for my cycle and stano looks like a perfect add on. I was looking for a compound to combat tiredness as well.
    yer lethargy was my main side effect on Epistane , stuck with it due to good gains but was constantly tired ! did sleep well though!
    is it well known that stano will combat this ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by csayer View Post
    yer lethargy was my main side effect on Epistane , stuck with it due to good gains but was constantly tired ! did sleep well though!
    is it well known that stano will combat this ?
    The combo works for me. I've read logs where mech was used for this same purpose with good results. For stano you have to dose high to compact lethargy so that can be a negative
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    Quote Originally Posted by smshannon001 View Post
    Are you cutting, bulking, recomping?
    I want to continue with the lean bulk i started with Epistane , ideas ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    Good stuff man I was looking for something effective for my cycle and stano looks like a perfect add on. I was looking for a compound to combat tiredness as well.
    Is it true that stano is simply DHT ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by csayer View Post
    Is it true that stano is simply DHT ?
    It's a DHT derivative. Precursor to stanolone .

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    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post

    The combo works for me. I've read logs where mech was used for this same purpose with good results. For stano you have to dose high to compact lethargy so that can be a negative
    Hm I forgot if helladrol causes some lethargy as well but if that's the case with epi running it during the school year is a bad idea . also saw using transderm test as a base combats lethargy. Helladrol Lethargy
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    I can't comment on helladrol but the lethargy on 40mg epi was easily manageable with 800mg stano. I've want to try some derm. I think bps has it now. Called dermacrine I think
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    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    I can't comment on helladrol but the lethargy on 40mg epi was easily manageable with 800mg stano. I've want to try some derm. I think bps has it now
    4dhea transderm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post

    4dhea transderm?
    Good question. I think it's just DHEA and pregenolone<- may have misspelled that
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    They are DHEA, pregnenolone, plus trans- rez, and anti-estrogens
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    They are DHEA, pregnenolone, plus trans- rez, and anti-estrogens
    Very nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post

    Very nice.
    Quite lovely. unless it raises your estradiol like i suspect happened to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post

    Quite lovely. unless it raises your estradiol like i suspect happened to me.
    Well if its "test" wouldn't that make sense ?
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    I used dermacrine and wasn't really impressed with the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atl3128 View Post
    I used dermacrine and wasn't really impressed with the results.
    I've read that the effects are not really noticeable but with the same breath the reviewers say they would use it again because they feel good using it. So idk
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    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post

    I've read that the effects are not really noticeable but with the same breath the reviewers say they would use it again because they feel good using it. So idk
    Maybe so I took it while I was on my trt dose of test as an alternative to upping my dose of test all it seemed to do was cause some bloat and actually seemed to slow my libido a bit. I decided to up my dose of test a little and stop the dermacrine and i felt much better. I was also stacking mecha with it. I guess maybe I was just expecting too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    Well if its "test" wouldn't that make sense ?
    well I was using DHEA/preg with trt test, so that was probably not a good idea since the DHEA probably wants to convert to estrogen with all that test floating around. I was using transaderm/dermacrine due to my age (41) for the anti-aging effects of the ingredients. I'll probably just stick with an OTC AI like forma, plus some trans-rez topical and skip the DHEA since I am not sure if its helping or hurting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    I've read that the effects are not really noticeable but with the same breath the reviewers say they would use it again because they feel good using it. So idk
    I think it works legit, seemed to raise my test levels about 200-250 on top of what my labs had me at on just androgel and no transaderm...went from 687 to 961 on 8 pumps androgel each time, with the only variable being the DHEA topical. but as i just stated, i fear its raising my estrogen as well....which I do not need.
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