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    Gents,

    I'm wanting to add something to my TRT dose of 40-50mg twice per week. I want something that would provide lean gains and be minimal toxicity as my liver values always run slightly on the higher side, over the reference range, in regards to ALT and AST (maybe 10 points). However, it's always been that way as I had liver cancer at a young age and part of a lobe removed.

    I've ran forerunner labs alpha mass in the past-- might have gained 5 pounds on it.

    I'm considering epi as it is mild, but plan on running LGI's Damage Control in conjunction with it...if I were to go that route.

    I haven't been very active on the forums for a bit...got a promotion at work and it has been time consuming.

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    PCT would probably just include and AI, maybe erase or formeron, to reduce changes of rebound gyno....

    Any insight is appreciated....

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    ***chances of rebound...not changes...
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    Are you secondary hypogonadism? If so, I'll tell you what to add.. and what to drop.

    Drop testosterone
    Add clomid
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    Have you tried supplementing with N-acetyl cysteine? I am going to try this to see the effect on my liver enzymes. Another forum I belong to has a member whose chronically high levels came down after a month on NAC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fox View Post
    Are you secondary hypogonadism? If so, I'll tell you what to add.. and what to drop.

    Drop testosterone
    Add clomid
    I'm secondary...good with test though as I like the fact my boys are on vacation...I have two kids...don't want anymore anytime soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajntorinj View Post
    Have you tried supplementing with N-acetyl cysteine? I am going to try this to see the effect on my liver enzymes. Another forum I belong to has a member whose chronically high levels came down after a month on NAC.
    I'll have to give that a look. LGI'S "damage control" has NAC, SAMe, and TUDCA in it. That's the product I would use on cycle if I use a compound.
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    If you have on-going liver issues, why not take care of it all the time instead of just on cycle?
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    No methylated steroids for you, sorry.

    Mentabolan an trestabol would be options, if they were pure/legit.

    But they aren't, so trenazone is a good option.

    But cross contamination is an issue.

    Delta 2 from androgenetix @ 300-400mg e/d for 6 weeks.
    It's Oos now, but def the best option
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    epi (or mecha) is a great option, but probably not for you....I'd say add in another injectable to lessen the strain on your liver. Not sure if you want to go the UG route, or stay with legal PH/DS and the like. Something like deca or masteron...hell masteron you could probably stay on a lower dosage year round and inject it with your test if you monitor your prostate, since you are shut down anyways...I pretty much take some sort of DHT topical or oral year round with my trt (there are hair concerns of course as well to consider)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajntorinj View Post
    If you have on-going liver issues, why not take care of it all the time instead of just on cycle?
    I do with general liver support supps...just nothing as strong as an on cycle support supplement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    No methylated steroids for you, sorry.

    Mentabolan an trestabol would be options, if they were pure/legit.

    But they aren't, so trenazone is a good option.

    But cross contamination is an issue.

    Delta 2 from androgenetix @ 300-400mg e/d for 6 weeks.
    It's Oos now, but def the best option
    Thanks jbry...never heard of Delta 2; Ill have to look in to it. It's out? I think that's what you meant to type?
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    I would look at Liv52 and injectable glutathione (from your HRT doc) to help with your liver values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    No methylated steroids for you, sorry.

    Mentabolan an trestabol would be options, if they were pure/legit.

    But they aren't, so trenazone is a good option.

    But cross contamination is an issue.

    Delta 2 from androgenetix @ 300-400mg e/d for 6 weeks.
    It's Oos now, but def the best option
    Checked out delta 2...thanks for the suggestion. Added myself to the newsletter to find out when it's back in stock. Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue View Post
    I would look at Liv52 and injectable glutathione (from your HRT doc) to help with your liver values.
    Never heard of glutathione...have to look in to that. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    I do with general liver support supps...just nothing as strong as an on cycle support supplement.
    Well, why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    I do with general liver support supps...just nothing as strong as an on cycle support supplement.
    Well, why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajntorinj View Post

    Well, why not?
    Very good question. I think I'm going to order some Damage Contriol and get values drawn after a month on.
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    Other than the Delta 2 that jbry mentioned (since its out), what's supposedly the best proven non-methyl PH on the market right now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    Other than the Delta 2 that jbry mentioned (since its out), what's supposedly the best proven non-methyl PH on the market right now?
    Personally thought delta 2 sucked....maybe at very high doses, but gets pretty expensive then.
    Then again, everybody reacys different, so it could work for you.

    I like FINAFLEX 1- andro and 1 alpha, solo or in combination with a methyl. Zero sides, easy to maintain the gains( IF diet and training is ok ofcourse)

    Mild methyl like epi and mecha are options too....as long as you use the right support supps...
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    Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post

    Personally thought delta 2 sucked....maybe at very high doses, but gets pretty expensive then.
    Then again, everybody reacys different, so it could work for you.

    I like FINAFLEX 1- andro and 1 alpha, solo or in combination with a methyl. Zero sides, easy to maintain the gains( IF diet and training is ok ofcourse)

    Mild methyl like epi and mecha are options too....as long as you use the right support supps...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

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    Stano and Trenazone make for an awesome non-methyl combo. I had better results from that stack than I did from Epi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldMan View Post
    Stano and Trenazone make for an awesome non-methyl combo. I had better results from that stack than I did from Epi.
    What's your results look like on that stack?
    Do you mind to share dosages, results, supports, etc?
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    I did a recomp. Lost about 2-3% bodyfat, while gaining about a pound or two total weight.

    Ran PP Androhard for 8 weeks at 6/day. That should be close to 800-1000 of Stano (educated guess).
    Ran Trenazone at 2ml for 6 weeks.
    Ran TRT at 70mg/wk whole time for 8 weeks

    Normal support supps with the inclusion of some anti-prolactin gear. Just OTC stuff though - P5P, dopa, erase.
    Used a Clomid-Torem hybrid SERM approach. Loved that cycle. Had very few sides. Lots of energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldMan View Post
    I did a recomp. Lost about 2-3% bodyfat, while gaining about a pound or two total weight.

    Ran PP Androhard for 8 weeks at 6/day. That should be close to 800-1000 of Stano (educated guess).
    Ran Trenazone at 2ml for 6 weeks.
    Ran TRT at 70mg/wk whole time for 8 weeks

    Normal support supps with the inclusion of some anti-prolactin gear. Just OTC stuff though - P5P, dopa, erase.
    Used a Clomid-Torem hybrid SERM approach. Loved that cycle. Had very few sides. Lots of energy.
    Idk ....6 androhard (latest version) was some pretty hardcore DHT action! but maybe comparable to high dose stano
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldMan View Post
    I did a recomp. Lost about 2-3% bodyfat, while gaining about a pound or two total weight.

    Ran PP Androhard for 8 weeks at 6/day. That should be close to 800-1000 of Stano (educated guess).
    Ran Trenazone at 2ml for 6 weeks.
    Ran TRT at 70mg/wk whole time for 8 weeks

    Normal support supps with the inclusion of some anti-prolactin gear. Just OTC stuff though - P5P, dopa, erase.
    Used a Clomid-Torem hybrid SERM approach. Loved that cycle. Had very few sides. Lots of energy.
    Thanks for sharing.

    I have a tad extra test. I've thought about just bunion up to a short blast if test c for 4 weeks at 500 per week.
    I like the idea of orals, but, like many have said, not sure it's worth the risk with the past liver cancer and no gallbladder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post

    Thanks for sharing.

    I have a tad extra test. I've thought about just bunion up to a short blast if test c for 4 weeks at 500 per week.
    I like the idea of orals, but, like many have said, not sure it's worth the risk with the past liver cancer and no gallbladder.
    You're like me....i know my heart is somewhat suspect...although well managed with a script i must take and working fine now...but i must always push the envelope ever so further each time lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post

    Thanks for sharing.

    I have a tad extra test. I've thought about just bunion up to a short blast if test c for 4 weeks at 500 per week.
    !I like the idea of orals, but, like many have said, not sure it's worth the risk with the past liver cancer and no gallbladder.
    I would do 300mg of test for like 6-7 weeks over the 500mg for 4 weeks and avoid the harsh stuff to save your liver
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    Quote Originally Posted by atl3128 View Post

    I would do 300mg of test for like 6-7 weeks over the 500mg for 4 weeks and avoid the harsh stuff to save your liver
    I wonder how mild an AI could be on a low dose like 300mgs...exemestane 25mg M, W, F?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post

    I wonder how mild an AI could be on a low dose like 300mgs...exemestane 25mg M, W, F?
    I am far from an expert but I think that may be a little too high of a dose I personally do exemestane at 12.5 every 3 days and it works perfect for me any higher and my joints hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atl3128 View Post

    I am far from an expert but I think that may be a little too high of a dose I personally do exemestane at 12.5 every 3 days and it works perfect for me any higher and my joints hurt.
    What dose of test are you on when the stane is at 12.5?

    I think I'm going to do 400mg for 6 weeks as a short blast. Depending on how that goes, I may order some more test and do a higher run this fall/ winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post

    What dose of test are you on when the stane is at 12.5?

    I think I'm going to do 400mg for 6 weeks as a short blast. Depending on how that goes, I may order some more test and do a higher run this fall/ winter.
    I was on a mini blast at about 300mg per week but was taking the shots every 3days which also helps to minimize the estrogen sides. I would start the AI dose small and adjust up as needed especially since exemestane is a suicidal AI so it actually works beyond its stated half life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atl3128 View Post

    I was on a mini blast at about 300mg per week but was taking the shots every 3days which also helps to minimize the estrogen sides. I would start the AI dose small and adjust up as needed especially since exemestane is a suicidal AI so it actually works beyond its stated half life.
    How long you run the blast? How were results?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post

    How long you run the blast? How were results?
    8 weeks but I stacked mechabol with it for the 1st 6 weeks. I stayed on a somewhat restricted diet so I only put on 10 lbs. and so far kept around 6 but slimmed down a good bit which was my goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atl3128 View Post

    I am far from an expert but I think that may be a little too high of a dose I personally do exemestane at 12.5 every 3 days and it works perfect for me any higher and my joints hurt.
    Do you do the 12.5 MWF, regardless of test dose you are using or is that only when you bump it up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post

    Do you do the 12.5 MWF, regardless of test dose you are using or is that only when you bump it up?
    Right now I am back to my normal dose of test which is 100mg every 3 days so I am only doing 6mg every 3 days and its working great. When I was on a "blast" I upped it to 12.5 every 3 days.

    I would start with a low dose and adjust upward as you feel you need to. The only sure fire way to know for sure what you need is through bloodwork.
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    Why not keep your test low like you have been and blast an androgen like tren ace or NPP? Keep your test low for libido etc and let the higher androgen dose do the work??? If you have liver issues I would steer clear of any methyl oral period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Why not keep your test low like you have been and blast an androgen like tren ace or NPP? Keep your test low for libido etc and let the higher androgen dose do the work??? If you have liver issues I would steer clear of any methyl oral period.
    Correct me if I am wrong but isn't tren pretty toxic to the liver? Plus there are the legal issues when dealing with tren.
  

  
 

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