Opinions on what to add to TRT
- 08-13-2013, 07:48 PM
Opinions on what to add to TRT
I'm wanting to add something to my TRT dose of 40-50mg twice per week. I want something that would provide lean gains and be minimal toxicity as my liver values always run slightly on the higher side, over the reference range, in regards to ALT and AST (maybe 10 points). However, it's always been that way as I had liver cancer at a young age and part of a lobe removed.
I've ran forerunner labs alpha mass in the past-- might have gained 5 pounds on it.
I'm considering epi as it is mild, but plan on running LGI's Damage Control in conjunction with it...if I were to go that route.
I haven't been very active on the forums for a bit...got a promotion at work and it has been time consuming.
I train 3-4 days per week
Weigh around 183-187 depending on day/ time weighed
Bench 405, squat 450, deadlift 405...horrible lower back from scoliosis...
Around 13-15% BF
PCT would probably just include and AI, maybe erase or formeron, to reduce changes of rebound gyno....
Any insight is appreciated....
- 08-13-2013, 08:08 PM
***chances of rebound...not changes...
- 08-14-2013, 07:15 AM
A little early morning bump while on the porcelain throne...
08-14-2013, 08:09 AM
Are you secondary hypogonadism? If so, I'll tell you what to add.. and what to drop.
08-14-2013, 08:28 AM
Have you tried supplementing with N-acetyl cysteine? I am going to try this to see the effect on my liver enzymes. Another forum I belong to has a member whose chronically high levels came down after a month on NAC.
08-14-2013, 10:07 AM
08-14-2013, 10:08 AM
08-14-2013, 10:17 AM
If you have on-going liver issues, why not take care of it all the time instead of just on cycle?
08-14-2013, 11:53 AM
No methylated steroids for you, sorry.
Mentabolan an trestabol would be options, if they were pure/legit.
But they aren't, so trenazone is a good option.
But cross contamination is an issue.
Delta 2 from androgenetix @ 300-400mg e/d for 6 weeks.
It's Oos now, but def the best option
08-14-2013, 02:47 PM
epi (or mecha) is a great option, but probably not for you....I'd say add in another injectable to lessen the strain on your liver. Not sure if you want to go the UG route, or stay with legal PH/DS and the like. Something like deca or masteron...hell masteron you could probably stay on a lower dosage year round and inject it with your test if you monitor your prostate, since you are shut down anyways...I pretty much take some sort of DHT topical or oral year round with my trt (there are hair concerns of course as well to consider)
08-14-2013, 07:03 PM
08-14-2013, 07:07 PM
08-14-2013, 07:39 PM
I would look at Liv52 and injectable glutathione (from your HRT doc) to help with your liver values.
08-14-2013, 08:41 PM
08-14-2013, 08:41 PM
08-15-2013, 09:34 AM
08-15-2013, 09:36 AM
08-15-2013, 10:18 AM
Ever think of trying masteron?
08-15-2013, 11:14 AM
08-16-2013, 07:27 AM
Other than the Delta 2 that jbry mentioned (since its out), what's supposedly the best proven non-methyl PH on the market right now?
08-16-2013, 07:33 AM
Then again, everybody reacys different, so it could work for you.
I like FINAFLEX 1- andro and 1 alpha, solo or in combination with a methyl. Zero sides, easy to maintain the gains( IF diet and training is ok ofcourse)
Mild methyl like epi and mecha are options too....as long as you use the right support supps...
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08-16-2013, 08:59 AM
08-16-2013, 09:52 AM
08-16-2013, 10:49 AM
Stano and Trenazone make for an awesome non-methyl combo. I had better results from that stack than I did from Epi.
08-16-2013, 11:38 AM
08-16-2013, 03:05 PM
I did a recomp. Lost about 2-3% bodyfat, while gaining about a pound or two total weight.
Ran PP Androhard for 8 weeks at 6/day. That should be close to 800-1000 of Stano (educated guess).
Ran Trenazone at 2ml for 6 weeks.
Ran TRT at 70mg/wk whole time for 8 weeks
Normal support supps with the inclusion of some anti-prolactin gear. Just OTC stuff though - P5P, dopa, erase.
Used a Clomid-Torem hybrid SERM approach. Loved that cycle. Had very few sides. Lots of energy.
08-16-2013, 05:23 PM
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08-22-2013, 11:16 AM
08-24-2013, 09:43 AM
08-24-2013, 11:47 AM
I would start with a low dose and adjust upward as you feel you need to. The only sure fire way to know for sure what you need is through bloodwork.
08-25-2013, 03:01 AM
Why not keep your test low like you have been and blast an androgen like tren ace or NPP? Keep your test low for libido etc and let the higher androgen dose do the work??? If you have liver issues I would steer clear of any methyl oral period.
08-25-2013, 07:42 AM
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