4-ad Converstion To Test
- 08-13-2013, 09:57 AM
4-ad Converstion To Test
This is purely speculation and I'm curious if perhaps someone has more insight they could share. 4-ad, specifically 4-ad RMS Chrome tablets, list a 'proprietary blend' of 200mg. The two compounds in said blend being 4-Androstene-3B-ol-17-one and Hydroxypropyl-beta-cyclodextrin. I can't find the ratio of the two. The 4-ad becomes test via a two-step conversion. Now, as far as I understand, if we assume a 1:1 ratio and assign a 10% endstate conversion - just for this example - then one 200mg tab provides roughly 10mg of testosterone.
So, hypotheticals aside, does anyone know how much testosterone this provides in the end?
- 08-13-2013, 10:11 AM
- 08-13-2013, 10:30 AM
I wasn't referencing the anabolic:androgenic ratio. I meant the ratio between the active 4-ad compound and whatever the Hydro-blahblahblah is. 190mg of active compound is very different than 90mg, you know?
Where did you find that number, if you don't mind me asking?
08-13-2013, 10:40 AM
08-13-2013, 10:47 AM
I recall PP... unfortunate scenario, that whole thing. Thanks much for the information, friend.
Now if we can just find the amount of actual 4-ad in the 200mg we'd be golden.
08-13-2013, 05:55 PM
08-13-2013, 07:15 PM
08-13-2013, 07:48 PM
Unfortunate. Thanks Jbry.
08-13-2013, 07:55 PM
If 4 ad did nothing no one would take it
08-13-2013, 08:11 PM
I'm not arguing 4-ad's efficacy. Within the context of a test base, it gets the job done, though I find I prefer around 6 tabs as opposed to recommended 2. Of course, manufacturer dosage recommendations have become virtually worthless.
08-13-2013, 08:33 PM
08-14-2013, 12:00 AM
if it makes y'all feel any better, I like ams, I've used their diendrone, then dienedrone utt, 4-ad utt, mass drops, and yesterday I ordered two bottles of 4-ad rde.
I also like forrunner labs. it's good stuff.
08-14-2013, 12:29 AM
Oh, they're good in my book. There is world of difference between tren solo and tren with 4-ad.
What does utt designate?
08-14-2013, 12:31 AM
under the tounge. it was their liquid suspension.
08-17-2013, 12:39 AM
08-17-2013, 02:35 PM
I read a patrick arnold article one time on the conversion rate of 4ad and i believe he stated that its impossible to get a accurate number for conversion because the hormone can keep converting back and forth between 4ad and test. But if it converts to a estrogen metabolite it cannot convert back to 4ad or test.
08-18-2013, 09:41 PM
08-20-2013, 03:26 PM
Yea bro i am fascinated by it as well. Sucks about the half-life just gotta pop more tabs.
08-20-2013, 05:15 PM
not sure how half life is affected.
testosterone itself has a half life of 4hrs.
08-22-2013, 01:32 PM
once the ester is removed from the ment, it's half live has been noted as being around 40min-2hrs or so, cant remember exactly, but I know the low end was in the minutes.
but yea, when I would run 4-androstenediol, I dosed it every 4 hours.
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