- 07-31-2013, 12:33 PM
- 07-31-2013, 12:35 PM
07-31-2013, 12:36 PM
O rly. What insurance do you have? I have Aetna. Used to cost me like 40 dollars for androgel but when I switched to a diff plan it now doesn't even cover it anymore.
IDK why you'd get charged 100 for injectable test though. I got test enanthate without any insurance for 90 cold. Maybe cyp is priced diff
IMO though hormone replacement is terrible. Multiple studies have arisen and continue to arise regarding the efficacy of clomid as a treatment for hypogonadism. That's what I would recommend people to try first. Don't ever go shutting down your body before trying clomid first, which causes no shutdown and creates natural benefits and is shown in this study to DOUBLE testosterone.
07-31-2013, 12:41 PM
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07-31-2013, 12:44 PM
Yeah man I decided to go alter my blood work with prohormones and get a prescription then for anything from androgel to injectable test. Waste of time. Makes you dependent to keep gains, shuts you down, etc... whereas clomid I have heard of studies of a man using it for 7 years with no ill effects. Would you rather have a testosterone level of 2400 for 12 weeks and lose most gains, or consistently have double your natural testosterone for years? Not a hard choice IMO. It's like getting a lump sum after winning the lottery versus getting payments in increments. Yeah it's nice to have a ton of money at once, but it's a lot more beneficial to receive continual payments, ie prevent bankruptcy.
07-31-2013, 12:49 PM
Looks like most of us are engineers on this thread. I been a structural engineer for over 40 years. I just statred using AndroGel @ 1.62% twice a day. I haven't had bloods done yet but I don't really expect to see high numbers unless I test shortly after application. Test levels peak about 2 hours after application. I primarily started using it to control lethargy and increase libido, it seems to be working wellin these areas. Once I determine my test levels I will use this as a base for stacking.
P.S. I'm using 50 mg of Formestane/day to control estrogen. I prefer an AI to a SERM.
07-31-2013, 01:15 PM
07-31-2013, 01:19 PM
07-31-2013, 01:21 PM
I have a bachelor's and it feels like a high school degree. It feels useless. Without a doctorate nowadays, education won't guarantee you a job.
07-31-2013, 01:24 PM
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07-31-2013, 01:33 PM
I'm pretty sure the OP is referring to some of the transdermal AAS that is now being produced by some UG labs. Stuff like Test, Tren, Boldenone, Nandrolone, etc. There are even trandermals like SD and Dbol.Originally Posted by Red Fox
07-31-2013, 01:35 PM
Yeah, clomid is worth a shot. I know some guys that stay on clomid year round.Originally Posted by Red Fox
07-31-2013, 01:37 PM
07-31-2013, 01:40 PM
I started my continued education to use my brain again. It is also an opportunity to network. I desire to be able to have those better presentation, organization and comminication skills that can be developed on top of my extensive experience.
In a recent class I was in it was full of 20something year olds. After the student introductions, background and experiences, the instructor asked me if I would prefer to lead the class.
I did take a project management class but I'm not sure it is in my forte so to speak. I am very mechanical and hands on regarding manufacturing and processes.
Life is a terminal condition.
07-31-2013, 01:45 PM
It (transdermal delivery) can definitely work. Not everyone will respond the same. But then again, not everyone responds identically to 200 mg of test/cyp or 30 mg of dbol.Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic
The efficiency/absorption depends greatly on the carrier/transporting agent. Different carriers may be used and they won't always tell you everything regarding proprietary ingredients. This can literally be the determining factor as to whether 10% or 80% absorption is achieved.
Also, rotating fresh application site plays a role. Also matters how these sites are cleaned or prepared.
So it's inaccurate to generalize and say "transdermals will always work great" or to say "transdermals are always inefficient"
07-31-2013, 01:46 PM
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07-31-2013, 02:04 PM
I think there's is about 50 mg per ml, right?Originally Posted by gymrat727
How many mg per ml in androgel?
07-31-2013, 02:06 PM
07-31-2013, 02:20 PM
07-31-2013, 02:46 PM
07-31-2013, 03:09 PM
Yeah 50mg per ml I'm not sure about andro gel there was a thread somewhere that a man was using andro gel and had say a base line of 600 he then started using andro gel right after applying a moisturizer lotion his wife bought and his numbers shot to 1400. We are talking andro gel doing this imagine if he was using something else. And ven. Is slang lol I'm sure you heard of the name before ill give you a hint has to do with GATORS
07-31-2013, 03:25 PM
I think he was applying the lotion after. Seems like applying lotion before would hinder absorption.Originally Posted by gymrat727
As you probably know, the UG Trans that your referring to started as a gel and then they changed it to a lotion as they were experiencing higher absorption rates.
07-31-2013, 03:32 PM
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