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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fox View Post
    I have a bachelor's and it feels like a high school degree. It feels useless. Without a doctorate nowadays, education won't guarantee you a job.
    Yeah even a masters doesn't get you much extra consideration nowadays. that is sad because a bachelors and a masters require about 6 years of school if going full-time.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fox
    Is this thread referencing Androgel? Cuz even with androgels discount card it still costs 300+ depending on insurance. rip off
    I'm pretty sure the OP is referring to some of the transdermal AAS that is now being produced by some UG labs. Stuff like Test, Tren, Boldenone, Nandrolone, etc. There are even trandermals like SD and Dbol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fox
    O rly. What insurance do you have? I have Aetna. Used to cost me like 40 dollars for androgel but when I switched to a diff plan it now doesn't even cover it anymore.

    IDK why you'd get charged 100 for injectable test though. I got test enanthate without any insurance for 90 cold. Maybe cyp is priced diff

    IMO though hormone replacement is terrible. Multiple studies have arisen and continue to arise regarding the efficacy of clomid as a treatment for hypogonadism. That's what I would recommend people to try first. Don't ever go shutting down your body before trying clomid first, which causes no shutdown and creates natural benefits and is shown in this study to DOUBLE testosterone.

    http://www.ergo-log.com/clomid-testosterone.html
    Yeah, clomid is worth a shot. I know some guys that stay on clomid year round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    This reminds me of the "back in the day" all you needed was a HS diploma and hard work to get a good job and be "middle class" (or above). not so currently ....a bachelors is becoming the new HS diploma nowadays! many jobs i look into that require a bachelors pay in the mid-30's.
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    I started my continued education to use my brain again. It is also an opportunity to network. I desire to be able to have those better presentation, organization and comminication skills that can be developed on top of my extensive experience.

    In a recent class I was in it was full of 20something year olds. After the student introductions, background and experiences, the instructor asked me if I would prefer to lead the class.

    I did take a project management class but I'm not sure it is in my forte so to speak. I am very mechanical and hands on regarding manufacturing and processes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic

    One of the guys on anti-aging got to mid 1000's on a simple 4 pumps of 1.62% androgel plus phlogel.....somehow I got to 2080 on 12 pumps of 1% plus transaderm with NO DMSO or phlogel at all....these are unhealthy #'s, but they fly in the face of the ineffective transdermal test opinions I see on here. Even 8 pumps of 1%, 2 were probably 100% DHT conversion btw, I got to 687 18-20 hours removed from application....not bad at all actually, probably was upwards of 800 most of the previous day.
    It (transdermal delivery) can definitely work. Not everyone will respond the same. But then again, not everyone responds identically to 200 mg of test/cyp or 30 mg of dbol.

    The efficiency/absorption depends greatly on the carrier/transporting agent. Different carriers may be used and they won't always tell you everything regarding proprietary ingredients. This can literally be the determining factor as to whether 10% or 80% absorption is achieved.

    Also, rotating fresh application site plays a role. Also matters how these sites are cleaned or prepared.

    So it's inaccurate to generalize and say "transdermals will always work great" or to say "transdermals are always inefficient"
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    You're probably gonna need to double that dose to get a decent >600 test #....I find that per pump at 1% my test # increases by ~80 points almost to a T. I recently went from 340 to 687 when i bumped up from 4 to 8 pumps. 1.62% would have different numbers of course....maybe ~125???
    4-8 pumps makes this quite expensive. I'm using the generic version, but still. At that dose your E2 will probably sky rocket without a good AI. I will probably stack with Tren of LGD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    I started my continued education to use my brain again. It is also an opportunity to network. I desire to be able to have those better presentation, organization and comminication skills that can be developed on top of my extensive experience.

    In a recent class I was in it was full of 20something year olds. After the student introductions, background and experiences, the instructor asked me if I would prefer to lead the class.

    I did take a project management class but I'm not sure it is in my forte so to speak. I am very mechanical and hands on regarding manufacturing and processes.
    I usually take the lead in any class i take now....and i expect nothing less than an A. it's sort of an obligation to lead if you are considerably older than the majority of your classmates, and if you can't get an A in your late 30's into your 40's you suck. that being said there are tons of 30 and 40 year olds at attending universities at the bachelors and masters level today. plus i get away with people assuming i am 28-35 ....so i can pretend to be "inbetween" young and "old" lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post

    4-8 pumps makes this quite expensive. I'm using the generic version, but still. At that dose your E2 will probably sky rocket without a good AI. I will probably stack with Tren of LGD.
    Yeah i believe my estrogen is sky high on 12 pumps of 1%....still waiting on my labs to find out for sure. I am sensitive to aromatizing estrogen to begin with. transdermal test has always stacked well with everything in my experience.
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    I'm am not talking about andro gel.... I'm talking about ven. Om
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    I usually take the lead in any class i take now....and i expect nothing less than an A. it's sort of an obligation to lead if you are considerably older than the majority of your classmates, and if you can't get an A in your late 30's into your 40's you suck. that being said there are tons of 30 and 40 year olds at attending universities at the bachelors and masters level today. plus i get away with people assuming i am 28-35 ....so i can pretend to be "inbetween" young and "old" lol
    Straight A's so far!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat727
    I'm am not talking about andro gel.... I'm talking about ven. Om
    I think there's is about 50 mg per ml, right?

    How many mg per ml in androgel?
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    The heck is transdermal ven?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fox
    The heck is transdermal ven?
    Lol, speaking in anabolic code
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Hefe View Post

    It (transdermal delivery) can definitely work. Not everyone will respond the same. But then again, not everyone responds identically to 200 mg of test/cyp or 30 mg of dbol.

    The efficiency/absorption depends greatly on the carrier/transporting agent. Different carriers may be used and they won't always tell you everything regarding proprietary ingredients. This can literally be the determining factor as to whether 10% or 80% absorption is achieved.

    Also, rotating fresh application site plays a role. Also matters how these sites are cleaned or prepared.

    So it's inaccurate to generalize and say "transdermals will always work great" or to say "transdermals are always inefficient"
    I really feel that if you give it enough time...and you dose it properly/adequately....it can work for anyone. and if not? i am confident that phlogel will increase absorption enough to compensate for those who respond poorly. i got frustrated at first....but after 6 months to a year of adjusting dosage and playing with adjunct products? i am satisfied with the results. i end up with higher test levels than most on injections....and i was a slow responder initially. Of course i rotate spots and try to apply after showering when possible, apply twice a day etc etc
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    Yeah 50mg per ml I'm not sure about andro gel there was a thread somewhere that a man was using andro gel and had say a base line of 600 he then started using andro gel right after applying a moisturizer lotion his wife bought and his numbers shot to 1400. We are talking andro gel doing this imagine if he was using something else. And ven. Is slang lol I'm sure you heard of the name before ill give you a hint has to do with GATORS
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat727
    Yeah 50mg per ml I'm not sure about andro gel there was a thread somewhere that a man was using andro gel and had say a base line of 600 he then started using andro gel right after applying a moisturizer lotion his wife bought and his numbers shot to 1400. We are talking andro gel doing this imagine if he was using something else.
    I think he was applying the lotion after. Seems like applying lotion before would hinder absorption.

    As you probably know, the UG Trans that your referring to started as a gel and then they changed it to a lotion as they were experiencing higher absorption rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Hefe View Post
    I think he was applying the lotion after. Seems like applying lotion before would hinder absorption.

    As you probably know, the UG Trans that your referring to started as a gel and then they changed it to a lotion as they were experiencing higher absorption rates.
    Well I was talking to him and he said the gel gets better absorption it just takes longer to dry
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    I feel left out of the loop im not a engineer nor do I work in that field. Im in the health field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleJ View Post
    I feel left out of the loop im not a engineer nor do I work in that field. Im in the health field.
    Please gtfo of this thread then....j/k lol....Im no injuneer either, far from it
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat727
    Yeah 50mg per ml I'm not sure about andro gel there was a thread somewhere that a man was using andro gel and had say a base line of 600 he then started using andro gel right after applying a moisturizer lotion his wife bought and his numbers shot to 1400. We are talking andro gel doing this imagine if he was using something else. And ven. Is slang lol I'm sure you heard of the name before ill give you a hint has to do with GATORS
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    From what I've read bloods can very significanlty depending on when the testing is done. Test levels peak about two hours after administration and level off after 4 hours or so. Moreover, if blood is drawn from the area of application, test levels will be abnormally high. It's best to apply AndroGel first thing in the morning and take bloods late in the day for steady state test levels. Applying a moisturizer will help absorption but to a large extend. Maybe a 3%-5% increase. After a shower is the best time for application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    From what I've read bloods can very significanlty depending on when the testing is done. Test levels peak about two hours after administration and level off after 4 hours or so. Moreover, if blood is drawn from the area of application, test levels will be abnormally high. It's best to apply AndroGel first thing in the morning and take bloods late in the day for steady state test levels. Applying a moisturizer will help absorption but to a large extend. Maybe a 3%-5% increase. After a shower is the best time for application.
    Right I have heard fresh from a hot shower, run over with a razor to your spots. Hit it with an alcohol pad then apply transderm then I would apply a moisturizer after
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    Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post

    alot of that is dependent on the class. jumping straight into calculus and organic chemistry when you haven't took a math course in 20 years was brutal. i had to study for hours a day just to make a B. i literally had to relearn everything that i had forgotten, very quickly. i attended during the day, but i have seen that many older students attend at night and on weekends in the"accelerated programs" designed for working adults. those classes are definitely easier. a friend of mine went on the weekends and he said that the instructors let you take the test until you passed it. nobody failed.
    Yeah all my classes have been sociology, anthropology, criminal justice and social work...right in my wheelhouse lol. So i excel since my writing skills are excellent as are my testing abilities. Abstract math and the like? C's at best . I went right back into it without missing a beat after more than a decade off. But yeah...i take EVERY online option available and/or go at night or mid-day...much more old folks...although i do rather enjoy the 18-24 year old girls in the morning classes!!!
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    Transdermal is a very viable form of delivery for hormones that have poor oral bioavailability. Transdermals have been used for years with great success. Granted, you need to use more hormone due to dismal absorption rates but the cost of non-estered base hormones is usually much less than estered counterparts and offsets any issue.

    Do not use alcohol based carriers. Do not applly alcohol to areas. Alcohol only servesd to dry area which will in turn decrease absorption. Apply in areas that have ample blood flow...inside forearms, clavicle, calves, inner thigh.

    I haven't been on forum in a while but I have played with transdermals and had excellent results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny21 View Post

    I haven't been on forum in a while but I have played with transdermals and had excellent results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny21 View Post
    Transdermal is a very viable form of delivery for hormones that have poor oral bioavailability. Transdermals have been used for years with great success. Granted, you need to use more hormone due to dismal absorption rates but the cost of non-estered base hormones is usually much less than estered counterparts and offsets any issue.

    Do not use alcohol based carriers. Do not applly alcohol to areas. Alcohol only servesd to dry area which will in turn decrease absorption. Apply in areas that have ample blood flow...inside forearms, clavicle, calves, inner thigh.

    I haven't been on forum in a while but I have played with transdermals and had excellent results.

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    Nice log post Jonny. Thanks for the providing your experience. I have added Phlojel to my T gel and although it is still at the early stages of its use, I am noticing a nice lil boost. So I can provide a better assessment win I get my next bloodwork done in about two months or so.
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    yeah btw MuscleJ gave me a source and i never got anything. people be warned. his inbox is full so i thought i'd share with everybody.
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    Looks like I may be joining the TRT/Androgel club. Just rec'd a script. It sounds as if I should ask about going the compound pharmacy route. I would appreciate any suggestions or recommendations - please PM me - I feel a bit lost (and honestly, sort of let down).
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    I increased my Ven TD test dose from 1ml morning and night to 2ml morning and night a week ago and now feels like low dose inj test.
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    So what's all your guys opinions on transdermal? My source wants to sell me them. I think it's the same guy mentioned earlier
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    Ive been running transdermal test base 100mg/ml at 1ml am and 1ml pwo for the last two weeks and im loving it. Elevated mood through out the day as well as having energy all day long. Libido is through the roof. Havent weighed in since starting but the mirror is showing gains. Ive also started trans trest at 100mg/ml pwo and the pumps are insane. Feels like im going to tear outa my skin. Im applying these amounts assuming im getting about 50% absorbtion based on the effects im feeling. This is all based on the past two weeks so others may have different effects. Hope this helps some.
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    can someone pm me about gator ven, just need to confirm something
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