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    No. absolutely not. Sust was designed to be injected EOD or MWF or at the very least M/TH, that is listed from ideal- to adequate- to less than ideal, in that order. Period.

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    Obviously the propionate gets in the system quickly but the testosterone decanoate lasts quite awhile.
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    Why are the short esters included, since they require EOD injecting to fully utilize the half-life? The whole point of including them is to inject it several times per week....not once. You would just use cyp or enanthate for that matter....why incorporate once per week prop? makes no sense whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    Why are the short esters included, since they require EOD injecting to fully utilize the half-life? The whole point of including them is to inject it several times per week....not once. You would just use cyp or enanthate for that matter....why incorporate once per week prop? makes no sense whatsoever.
    It was meant to be lnjected every 2 weeks. The propionate was for the quick onset and the rest would kick in over the next 2 weeks keeping your testosterone levels steady without the roller coaster effect of ups and downs and 2 weeks later when it was starting to wear off you would inject again.
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    But I liked injecting it weekly and it worked great.
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    My head is about to explode. I need to take a few minutes and go do something else............
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    No. absolutely not. Sust was designed to be injected EOD or MWF or at the very least M/TH, that is listed from ideal- to adequate- to less than ideal, in that order. Period.
    Testosterone decanoate was never intended to be injected every other day that shi t stays in your system a long time
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    No. absolutely not. Sust was designed to be injected EOD or MWF or at the very least M/TH, that is listed from ideal- to adequate- to less than ideal, in that order. Period.
    Testosterone decanoate was never intended to be injected every other day that shi t stays in your system a long time
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    No. absolutely not. Sust was designed to be injected EOD or MWF or at the very least M/TH, that is listed from ideal- to adequate- to less than ideal, in that order. Period.
    No sustanon was designed to be a long lasting testosterone.
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    My head is about to explode. I need to take a few minutes and go do something else............
    Yea you go do that. I. Wouldn't want your head to explode, because it's so full of knowledge.
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    Read the Sustanon 250 profile on Steroidology .com it states that it's designed so the testosterone propionate kicks in within 4 days with the remaining testosterone esters staying active in your system for up to 2-3 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    No. absolutely not. Sust was designed to be injected EOD or MWF or at the very least M/TH, that is listed from ideal- to adequate- to less than ideal, in that order. Period.
    Whichever way is the more effective way to inject Sustanon is one thing. But saying it was designed to be injected EOD is completely wrong. Sustanon 250 was designed to be a trt/hrt drug that I believe was supposed to be injected once a month which supposedly gave you a long steady flow of testosterone. Again whether it actually lasted that long in the system is debatable. But saying it was designed to be injected frequently is wrong.
    You are probably too young to know these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    Whichever way is the more effective way to inject Sustanon is one thing. But saying it was designed to be injected EOD is completely wrong. Sustanon 250 was designed to be a trt/hrt drug that I believe was supposed to be injected once a month which supposedly gave you a long steady flow of testosterone. Again whether it actually lasted that long in the system is debatable. But saying it was designed to be injected frequently is wrong.
    You are probably too young to know these things.
    The third stooge has arrived! LOL! I believe you three are the same person......matter of fact I am certain of it. Do you three follow me around on purpose, and intentionally spread this misinformation? Or is it totally by chance? Hey, Wallow in your ignorance....I do not care! and I'll take that bet, loser leaves the board....loser = younger person. I believe strongly I will win this one....same as I win the sust debate....
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    Wow this heated up pretty fast... So do you think injecting this twice weekly would be good? It's his first cycle but he's been working out for 6 years. His stats are 6ft 215 probably 10-12% bf. I'm just not sure how much he should run. I've only done testE
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12brother2 View Post
    Wow this heated up pretty fast... So do you think injecting this twice weekly would be good? It's his first cycle but he's been working out for 6 years. His stats are 6ft 215 probably 10-12% bf. I'm just not sure how much he should run. I've only done testE
    Once per month! you saw what the geniuses posted right? Not sure why you even need to ask follow-ups? Hell, maybe tell him to follow the once every two months protocol, since he is a newbie and all
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    The third stooge has arrived! LOL! I believe you three are the same person......matter of fact I am certain of it. Do you three follow me around on purpose, and intentionally spread this misinformation? Or is it totally by chance? Hey, Wallow in your ignorance....I do not care! and I'll take that bet, loser leaves the board....loser = younger person. I believe strongly I will win this one....same as I win the sust debate....
    Hey man nothing against you personally. I'm just saying what is was created for was a convenient way to inject your trt dose... not bodybuilding or powerliftng dose. Just look it up and you'll see.
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    I personally would probably inject it 2x a week if I was to run a cycle of it. But that's not my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    Hey man nothing against you personally. I'm just saying what is was created for was a convenient way to inject your trt dose... not bodybuilding or powerliftng dose. Just look it up and you'll see.
    NO trt dose should be "once per month" or "once per two months".....there is no ester that has any sort of month or multi-week half-life. Viagra was created for cardiomyopathy patients, and now its a hard-on drug. Whatever the people who dreamed sust up intended it for? is certainly NOT the proper way to actually USE it for bodybuilding purposes (or trt for that matter). I can see twice per week dosing, M/TH, but this nonsense about once per week is straight BS. Even Cyp and enanthate should be injected twice per week to control E2 (for Trt'ers at least). But sust somehow can be injected once per week, makes no sense. Why bother then? as I said hours ago just go buy some cyp and inject it once per week....you are not utilizing the sust for what its best used for, multiple dosing weekly.
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    Again like I said I didn't say it worked out that way but that was what was intended when they designed Sustanon 250 with the 4 different esters, an extended release trt injection. What is so hard to believe about that I mean they created the pellets for convenience right.
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    I think you keep missing my point. Whether or not that method of injections suck or not is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    Again like I said I didn't say it worked out that way but that was what was intended when they designed Sustanon 250 with the 4 different esters, a long lasting trt injection. What is so hard to believe about that I mean they created the pellets for convenience right.
    regardless.....these two are advocating and advising newbies that injecting sust once per week is ideal and how its best used. That is wrong, and its spreading misinformation.....just because decades ago some numbskull pharmaceutical guy dreamed up a multi-ester test that could be (miraculously) injected once per month or once every two months, that does not mean in the year 2013 these guys should be spreading misinformation. Sorry I'm calling out BS every time, people come here for sound advice, not history lessons about what some dimwit did/thought in 1980 or whatever. The whole "thats what it was created for" was a convenient way out of having said something not very smart. Plain and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    regardless.....these two are advocating and advising newbies that injecting sust once per week is ideal and how its best used. That is wrong, and its spreading misinformation.....just because decades ago some numbskull pharmaceutical guy dreamed up a multi-ester test that could be (miraculously) injected once per month or once every two months, that does not mean in the year 2013 these guys should be spreading misinformation. Sorry I'm calling out BS every time, people come here for sound advice, not history lessons about what some dimwit did/thought in 1980 or whatever. The whole "thats what it was created for" was a convenient way out of having said something not very smart. Plain and simple.
    Man you don't give an inch..lol
    You said Sustanon was designed to be taken EOD and it wasn't. You maybe should've said it works best when injected eod. So you said the BS not me. History lesson over..lol
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    And bodybuilders usually taking arimidex or letro wouldn't have to worry about estrogen that much with weekly injections. Now trt guys with no AI that's a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    Man you don't give an inch..lol
    You said Sustanon was designed to be taken EOD and it wasn't. You maybe should've said it works best when injected eod. So you said the BS not me. History lesson over..lol
    by "designed" I mean "how the ester profile is best utilized".....not how the pharmaceutical guy dreamed it up to be used, I have no use for what HE (or she) designed it for. Do we use ANYTHING as "designed" by the originators? AI's? Clomid? etc. etc.....they are still best utilized for controlling estrogen in men or kickstarting the HPTA for our purposes, which is all that matters on an anabolic discussion board....getting the best anabolic effect from whatever we use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    And bodybuilders usually taking arimidex or letro wouldn't have to worry about estrogen that much with weekly injections. Now trt guys with no AI that's a different story.
    Well, this is pointing out the obvious for no apparent reason. Obviously if you are taking an AI you can inject once per week, the point is that if you DON'T want to use an AI (cycle or trt).....THEN you should inject twice a week to best manage estrogen issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    by "designed" I mean "how the ester profile is best utilized".....not how the pharmaceutical guy dreamed it up to be used, I have no use for what HE (or she) designed it for. Do we use ANYTHING as "designed" by the originators? AI's? Clomid? etc. etc.....they are still bes utilized for controlling estrogen in men or kickstarting the HPTA for our purposes, which is all that matters on an anabolic discussion board....getting the best anabolic effect from whatever we use.
    Well that's fine but when I read "Designed" I see the Websters dictionary version definition not AnabolicHolic's definition which means "how the ester profile is best utilized" my bad. So should we call it a night or keep on debating, because I'm pretty sure we could debate all night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    Well that's fine but when I read "Designed" I see the Websters dictionary version definition not AnabolicHolic's definition which means "how the ester profile is best utilized" my bad. So should we call it a night or keep on debating, because I'm pretty sure we could debate all night.
    c'mon man....admit that the whole "it was actually designed for...." argument is a total cop-out . THEN I'll leave it alone. The actual scientific and logical use for any medicine is what its "designed for".....not what some idiot creator thinks it was designed for, who cares about that? It's just an excuse for posting nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    c'mon man....admit that the whole "it was actually designed for...." argument is a total cop-out . THEN I'll leave it alone. The actual scientific and logical use for any medicine is what its "designed for".....not what some idiot creator thinks it was designed for, who cares about that? It's just an excuse for posting nonsense.
    I think we are somewhat alike in certain ways and I will NOT do that, because you said what you said and I stand by my argument.
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    And I never said that I agreed with the monthly or weekly injections.
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    You guys are found guilty of copping out as well as randomly harassing me and debating everything I say....despite the fact I am always correct (not always always, but always in regards to the stuff you guys try to debate me on). COURT DISMISSED !
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    And I never said that I agreed with the monthly or weekly injections.
    You certainly took up for your cohorts did you not? and they said once per week works best....and for that matter "the creator guy" said once per month or bi-monthly was best. Soooooo.....yeah you kinda did say that in a roundabouts way when you horned in on their behalf...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    You guys are found guilty of copping out as well as randomly harassing me and debating everything I say....despite the fact I am always correct (not always always, but always in regards to the stuff you guys try to debate me on). COURT DISMISSED !
    I think you're growing on me...kinda like mold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    You certainly took up for your cohorts did you not? and they said once per week works best....and for that matter "the creator guy" said once per month or bi-monthly was best. Soooooo.....yeah you kinda did say that in a roundabouts way when you horned in on their behalf...
    No I said right from the beginning whether or not weekly injections or eod injections are better is not my point. Go back and read my post. I have my own opinions. Like I said to you I would personally do 2x per week if it were me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    I think you're growing on me...kinda like mold.
    The fungus amongus? lol
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    So would it be fair to say we both made some points and some miscommunications?? LOL
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    Should we leave it at that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    Should we leave it at that?
    Sure, why not. I'm still gonna correct any "misinformations" I see though
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    Sure, why not. I'm still gonna correct any "misinformations" I see though
    Oh and don't you worry I'll be doing exactly the same with anyone misusing any "definitions" of words from the Websters Dictionary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    Oh and don't you worry I'll be doing exactly the same with anyone misusing any "definitions" of words from the Websters Dictionary.
    Does anybody actually use Sustanon by Organon anymore? If not, then the UG formulations were definitely "designed" for the use that I detailed in this very discussion....oooh! gotcha there! lol That being said I used Karachi sust back in the day, and we never injected once per week either, no matter what "that guy who created it" said. I guess the best thing to say would be "kids today!"......" or "Kids today, using design ideas from when they weren't even born!" lol ok I'll stop now....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    Does anybody actually use Sustanon by Organon anymore? If not, then the UG formulations were definitely "designed" for the use that I detailed in this very discussion....oooh! gotcha there! lol That being said I used Karachi sust back in the day, and we never injected once per week either, no matter what "that guy who created it" said. I guess the best thing to say would be "kids today!"......" or "Kids today, using design ideas from when they weren't even born!" lol ok I'll stop now....
    Ok very good points...Now you need to download an online dictionary to your ipad. Alright I will stop now goodnight.
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