havoc weight gain
- 07-14-2013, 12:48 PM
havoc weight gain
Hey everybody... I wanted to ask yall ur opinions on this. I used to lift for about two years and quit. Never got above 175. I had dropped down to 160..I been lifting again for about 4 months and said screw it and started a havoc cycle. Now when a week before I started I was 176 now at a week into the cycle im 190..any ideas as to y so fast???? I know its not fat. Ive been checking my percentages rigerously and have been holding steady at 10.5 to 11.5 each day. Macros tend to be 30 30 30 and some change depending on the day. Thanks fellas.
- 07-14-2013, 04:02 PM
- 07-14-2013, 05:26 PM
Probably glycogen retention and a little water. Epi is a dry compound so shouldn't be a ton of water though. Don't worry cause I am up about 15 pounds too 3 weeks in and I am cutting.
07-14-2013, 06:51 PM
How much has your strength gone up? Lift heavy, eat good and get plenty of rest and use proper pct and KEEP hitting the weights after cycle....
07-14-2013, 10:18 PM
07-14-2013, 11:53 PM
07-15-2013, 12:00 AM
07-15-2013, 12:04 AM
Epistane is one of the best PH/DS ever created. I believe its always been a little underrated. I ran a testostetone-only cycle for 10 weeks and my results were similar to a 5 week epi run. Limited sides, fantastic strength increases, strong, dry gains and if PCT is strong you don't lose much, if anything.
07-15-2013, 12:16 AM
07-15-2013, 12:21 AM
07-15-2013, 12:25 AM
I'm running EPI/M-LMG
Grab some hawthorn berries, Omegas and liver support blend with a lot of Milk Thistle in it. Bp, elevated liver enzymes, LDL>HDL are the main issues if you go over 4 weeks.
07-15-2013, 12:44 AM
07-15-2013, 12:46 AM
07-15-2013, 01:06 AM
Ya... looks good. Just avoid tylenol , alcohol, etc to limit excess strain on the liver. Drink lots of water. Enjoy!
07-16-2013, 12:46 AM
07-16-2013, 12:20 PM
07-16-2013, 04:11 PM
07-17-2013, 02:10 AM
500 weekly cyp here starting mrsupps epi tomorrow. Excited now that I hear these gains have been nuts on epi. Just looking to cut down a bit.
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07-17-2013, 08:59 AM
07-22-2013, 12:51 AM
Little update here...Im going into my 3rd week tommoro weight has gone up to 194 and held steady throughout the week. Im trying to get past 200 that way any losses during pct would in my mind likely leave me in the 190s.. Havent noticed any more size deferences the last week either. The first week was ridiculous and actually left me with a couple stretch marks. I wish I knew why it seems like Ive hit a wall but same time any gains ive made over the last week likely cannot compare to the first. Though this may also be attributed that this week I simply did full body workouts rather than my usual split. Strength has gone up slightly 5-15 pounds depending on the lift...May cut this short at 4 weeks if gains do not go back up.
07-22-2013, 09:14 AM
Eat more food and you'll start gaining again. Cutting short wouldn't be very beneficial. Even if you don't gain anymore, there are benefits to running the whole six weeks. It gives time for the gains you did make to solidify so you won't lose them as easily in pct.
07-22-2013, 01:08 PM
Alright boys, have some questions for you.
This morning I stepped on the scale at 254.. Thats up 20 pounds in only 28 days. My strength gains have been absolutely stupid, but thats not my main concern. I HAVE to get leaner and everything pointed towards Epi/Stano to do that. Last week I ate about 2200kcal a day and still didn't lose a pound. Thats almost 2k under my maintenance and I woke up heavier this week? WTF? I am noticing stretch marks in my anterior delts/upper chest, and my khaki shorts all make me look like a damn fat ass cause my legs are so huge.
Obviously twenty pounds is not muscle nor is it fat that quickly, especially since my intake has been so low, but wtf is going on? Will my PCT really dry me out that damn much? The math just doesn't add up. I ate so low in calories last week, played tennis hard about 5 times, HIIT cardio as well, lifted 4 days, kept protein up, and I still look softer today than I did a month ago. This is my first cycle so I am just real confused as this is not what I was expecting.
07-22-2013, 02:31 PM
I have a few buddies that have been working out for years and can not lose a pound. The reason is usually something I listed above. Why my buddies can't lose weight? Because they have not committed themselves to it. Give me some details and I'm sure we can figure it out
07-23-2013, 12:17 PM
Speaking of pct.. Starting today. Blood pressure was getting too high, retaining too much water for liking and I couldn't sleep worth ****.
4 weeks of epi 30/40/40/40, Stano 600/800/800/100
Torem at 120/60/60/30
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And I have bulk forskolin laying around I will probably use.
07-23-2013, 02:54 PM
07-23-2013, 05:00 PM
07-23-2013, 05:51 PM
07-23-2013, 06:04 PM
07-23-2013, 06:29 PM
Trust me, 6 weeks was what I wanted to do, but I don't think I was handling the stuff well and I did make great strength gains in only four weeks, so it wasn't for nothing. My blood pressure was getting dangerously high for my liking, spiking at 150/125 at some points, I was retaining so much water my fingers and face were fat, I couldn't sleep at all, my GF continues to comment how "small my balls" are and it is obvious she doesn't like it, and being that I am only about to turn 22, I want to make sure I get all of these sides subsided and properly recovered before I try something else out at a later date.
Edit: And I had dropped down to 30/600 the last about 4 days to see if it would impact my BP at all, and it didnt. For someone who has had fantastic BP in the past, always lower than 110/70, this high of a spike with my active lifestyle is just not something I wanted to mess around with.
07-23-2013, 07:34 PM
07-23-2013, 09:20 PM
Why would creatine affect my blood pressure? The water retention causing the spike for the same reason as the PH?
07-23-2013, 09:24 PM
A little l-dopa, gaba, and phenibut will get you right to sleep. (G8 by Finaflex)
07-23-2013, 09:34 PM
07-24-2013, 04:52 PM
So seeing my PCT plan following the cycle, how long do you think decent recovery of the boys should take? At what point do you start to question if the stuff is bunk, seeing that this is a modest cycle at most?
07-24-2013, 05:06 PM
07-24-2013, 05:18 PM
07-24-2013, 05:19 PM
07-24-2013, 05:21 PM
Wait, you can name epi sources bro, its OTC
07-24-2013, 05:21 PM
Don't sweat it though, better safe than banned!
07-24-2013, 07:09 PM
Oh my bad.. Thought you meant what I was gonna use for research. It was Havoc and Stano-200
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