Critiques or recommendations for first cycle
07-12-2013 10:59 PM
First cycle so give it a look and make your critiques!!!
Going to run Epi2a3a for my fist cycle. Everything is ordered and I will be waiting until EVERYTHING is in my possession before starting the cycle, this includes a SERM which I would like to know which of the three you all recommend for a first time Epi cycle. I have been lifting seriously for the past 2 and a half years and prior to that was an intermittent break of a few months preceded by 2-2.5 years of power lifting and mostly strength training. Ok so below I will list out my plan with all of the support supps and PCT and if you all would make any suggestions or critiques on dosing, or something I may have missed I would greatly appreciate it.
Two weeks prior to start of cycle:
Pre load Joint and Tissue by Myogenix
Pre load Blockade On Cycle Defense by Assault Labs
Continue taking Joint and Tissue by Myogenix through Cycle
Continue taking Blockade On Cycle Defense by Assault Labs
Begin taking Organ Shield by Purus Labs when cycle begins and take through entire cycle
*This is where I do have one question. I have seen some threads suggesting people take some DAA the final week of cycle at 3g daily. Is that recommended? If so I will add DAA to the final week of the cycle. I will probably go with Double Dragon TST 750 since it has DAA and 6 Bromo in it. I could run that through my PCT as well so now that I think about it I will probably just add that to the final week of cycle and finish out the bottle of that.*
Now for the tough part, PCT:
Have not yet ordered but will not begin cycle without some form of SERM. This is where I am also looking for recommendations based on what you see above. What is the best of the three for what I am doing in my cycle? Please provide your input if you have ran Epi and followed with one of the SERMS and which is best suited for this type of cycle.
I would also like to know if I should pick up some PES Erase Pro for my PCT. Please provide a recommendation as to if that is a good item to add to this cycles PCT and how would i dose it and when.
Of course i will continue taking the Blockade on Cycle Support two weeks after the cycle ends
I will continue taking the Joint and Tissue two weeks after the cycle ends
I have also already ordered Post Cycle 3x by Assault Labs and will begin taking that immediately following the cycle along with the SERM and the aforementioned support sups.
There it is everyone. My first cycle layout. Please let me know what I should tweak to see better results but also to remain safe, healthy, and ABSOLUTELY PREVENT SIDES as much as possible. Let me know if I have forgotten something necessary to protect myself. The biggest questions i have really are;
What is the best SERM for this cycle and how much and how long should i dose?
Should i include the PES Erase post cycle?
Should i include the DAA/6 Bromo the final week and PCT? Pretty sure im going to do this one already just looking for that extra confidence of a third party opinion.
Cant wait for the feedback!
07-13-2013 07:22 AM
I guess I forgot my profile stats:
Age: 23 but taking a few months before 24th b-day
Height: 6'2 pushing 6'3
Weight: 182 but just did a mini cut. Will begin cycle when I return to 187 which is my normal walking weight.
Routine: Just came off of a PHAT routine and moved into a L/P/P which I am loving so far. I will de-load for a week or two before the cycle to prepare myself for the volume I am about to undertake while on cycle. :-)
What else do you all need? I am really looking for some help here on which SERM is best for my cycle of Epistane. I have already ordered the Epi, Cycle Support, Joint and Tissue support, vitamins, Double Dragon TST 750, Post Cycle 3x, Organ Shield, and I have direct placement and access to Taurine, fish oil, and extra support supps when needed. Just looking for advice on that SERM selection!?! Help a dedicated and motivated lifter out.
07-15-2013 04:55 PM
I used toremifene for my 6 week trenazone/epi stack with good results. I prefer a longer pct than most and ran it 6 weeks. I always add erase and daa to my pct and I'm going to include anabeta elite also for my upcoming pct.
I would also add stano to the cycle at 600-800mg a day.
07-15-2013 04:58 PM
Run toremifene 120,90,60,60,60,30
I've never started the DAA before pct so I can't give any input on that
07-15-2013 05:24 PM
Holy hell lots to read lol torem or Nolva for a serm
Or torem like he said. But there's no need for a six week pct unless you really want to lol also don't bother at 20mgs just start 30 and go up from there and toss another week on cycle so its 6 weeks and start the erase in your 3rd week of pct so it extends 2 weeks past it :scroll, scroll,scroll: let's see what else lol ah yes and don't start daa while on cycle your shut down it won't do no good... ah yes what rphash said aswell. Stano is a good addition at that dose. Good with the joint support the taurine and god all mighty lots of on cycle support ya got there lol(not a bad thing at any rate lol)... not sure if I've answered anything or just confused you but there ya go
07-15-2013 05:26 PM
If you don't want to run the stano its not a big deal. It really just helps with some of the sides like lethargy and whatnot
07-15-2013 05:31 PM
And also while your waiting for things to come in feel free to walk about the cabin and look at the many many logs on epi what they have dosed what they have used their gains recovery yada yada yada lol search your heart out while you wait my friend. And I'm gonna have to commend you on actually putting thought into this instead of coming on here and begging for a total cycle layout with dosing and asking where to get everything haha
07-17-2013 07:46 AM
Hey so I got impatient and went ahead and bought some Clomid for my rat. I notice you all say to go with Nolva or Torem... this is concerning to me that nobody recommended Clomid. Anyone care to elaborate? From all the research I had done Clomid appeared to be the safest bet since Nolva apparently has some toxic sides and Clomid appeared to be a tried and true SERM. Dosing examples for my cycle would also be appreciated. I think i saw one that said to just run 50mg a day for four weeks? I am kinda thinking tapering that off might be beneficial to avoid bounceback gyno. I picked up some of the Double Dragon TST 750 so i will run that, Post Cycle 3x, and the SERM immediatly following the cycle.
Let me know what you guys think about that PCT and if you think its safe and that I will see minimal sides I hope!
GOALS for this cycle:
Gain at least 5 lbs while at the very least maintaining current BF which is probably around 10% since I can always at least see 4 of my abs and I can see striations in my upper chest and my delts show quite well. Going for a solid but SAFE RECOMP.
07-17-2013 08:02 AM
Clomid turns a lot of guys into a little emotional bitch during pct so a lot of people are not using it lol go 50/50/25/25 not 50 the whole 4 weeks
07-17-2013 08:10 AM
If that is the worst side I would have to deal with while using Clomid I am more than willing to accept that if it corrects my shut down and is gentle on the endocrine system. Like I said, this is my firs time so while I feel confident I have done ample research on the necissary support supplements I am still terrified to get gyno or have hair loss/ shedding.
07-17-2013 08:42 AM
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07-17-2013 08:44 AM
Best you can do is decide which one feel is best lol
07-17-2013 09:18 AM
I agree with macdaddy. Clomid is an effective serm. I've used all three and alway recommend torem but I'm using Clomid with my cycle mainly because I got my hands on pharmacy grade and I want to see how it differs. Toremifene for me was side effect free and it gives me the quickest recovery. Now what you feel and what your blood results say may differ but with torem I literally feel recovered in 3-4 days. With Clomid and Nolva it's more like 10-14 days.
07-20-2013 09:00 AM
Any major concern for the rebound gyno with Clomid? I am going to do the recommended 50/50/25/25 and at the begining of week three of the PCT ill start taking Erase. 0/0/3/2/1
07-20-2013 09:09 AM
Everyone is different but I like to run erase min 2 weeks after finishing serm.
Originally Posted by Stack87
07-20-2013 09:13 AM
Hey thanks for all the help guys! I will also run a log when I start which will probably be in October timeframe. Really looking forward to breaking through the strength and eventually my physique plateau of the last two years.
07-20-2013 09:19 AM
Good luck. I look forward to the log. Till October keep reading and researching. One of the biggest mistakes with first cycles is diet. So make sure that is on point based on the goals you have for this cycle.
Originally Posted by Stack87
08-10-2013 09:31 AM
Hey guys its been a while since i posted in here so hopefully you all can help me out. Real dilemma here. I ordered the Clomid for my lab rat and it arrived to its destination stateside; however, I cannot have it forewarded to me at my current location due to customs and my employer. A recent gym acaintance tried this and customs and MPs set up a sting op for him and busted him so now he is being legally separated. I WILL NOT RISK THAT so im looking for some help. Ive got everything else except the clomid and i wont be able to procure a SERM so what are my options? Lets just say I decided to take it without the SERM, i know this is risky and most of you will not advice this as i am fully aware but what are additional steps i can take to protect myself in place of a serm. Really dissapointed by this gents. i want to do it right.
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