Ok, I’ll spend a little more time on this. But, my efforts seem to be moving very quickly towards an area called ‘Wasted Time that I’ll never recover’.
Attached is a simplified picture/diagram that outlines the way the feedback loop (that your referring to) works. Specifically, it illustrates clomid’s role or interference with this loop.
Now, notice Clomid’s action in the process. The pituitary senses low estrogen levels and then sends an LH (Luteinizing hormone) signal/order to the testes to produce more Test, which in turn creates more estrogen. So, Clomid essentially tricks the pituitary.
And you’re partially correct. This process does not work (as outlined in the diagram) when Test is elevated to very high levels. This is because the pituitary not only bases its order or LH signal to the testes on estrogen levels but also androgen levels.
But here is where you’re confused. HCG does not prompt the pituitary to send LH to the testes. Nor does HCG act similarly to Clomid, causing a low estrogen reading at the pituitary.
I guess you could say that as it relates to the diagram, HCG’s actions are targeting the right side of the diagram and not the left. HCG in simple terms mimics the Luteinizing Hormone (almost identically) and therefore stimulates the testes in the same manner as LH. So, the feedback loop that you reference is irrelevant as it relates to HCG.
Now, you said you want some blood work and studies. Well, I suggest you go out and find them. You’ve already done a little reading but not enough. This is evident by your lack of understand on the subject. So I suggest you continue your studies. Just because you want studies, doesn’t mean I’m going to task myself with supplying, compiling and organizing you anabolic library.
My 8 year old kid tries the same thing. I tell him to rake the leaves in the yard. He says “It’s not possible to rake up ALL of the leaves in one day”. I say that it is possible and I know this to be true because I’ve done it. He then replies, “Yeah, well then show me! I’d like to see you do it”. Fat chance kid. “Get your ass out there and start raking!”
Well, this is similar. The majority of the AAS Community has experienced the effects of HCG while on cycle or at the start of PCT while test levels are still slightly elevated. Nobody has to prove anything to you. But it would be wise for you to take note of what others have already learned.
Also, you’ve failed to answer my question. Have you actually experienced any of this? Has HCG failed to stimulate your testes? Or is this something you read or heard and are now parroting?