M-Sten Cycle Question

[Raiders52]

Hey guys,


I am brand new to these forums and I want to give some background information to start this off. I am 21 years old, and have been a serious weight lifter for the past 2 and half years with a total of 5 years of experience. My current weight is approximately 183, and I am 5'10 9.3% BF. My 3 lift max (Bench, Deadlift, Squat) no belt/ wraps/ etc. is 1080. 315 bench, 365 squat, 400 deadlift. When I was 18 yrs old I began taking propecia, however after 5 months I decided it wasn't something that I wanted to take for the rest of my life and decided that being bald was okay. Unfortunately after coming off Propecia my test went into a nose dive. My pre-propecia days I was around 760, and when I came off I went down to 350. This is not a common side-effect of coming off the drug, but there are other reports of this out there. I had consulted a few doctors immediately after but again felt that I did not want to start test therapy at such a young age. After 3 years it has worked itself out and my test is at 450. The reason I am posting here is that I have got to a point in my weight lifting were I want to experience or atleast try PH's. I have been looking around and doing my research and the only viable thing for me to take that I have found (easily accessible is the main factor) is the product by IML M-Sten. I read Niners log on here (all 20 pages including the PCT) and it seems to fit the bill for what I want to accomplish. PCT on the other hand is something I am struggling to figure out. After my run in with test dropping off and a 6 month loss of libido, drive, and energy I do not want to repeat that. So because I do not have a way to obtain clomid, nolvadex or other prescription only PCT's what are my options? I know natural PCT will be a waste of time after taking M- Sten and that I need a SERM. Can someone please suggest a product for me to take.



Thanks guys your help and advice is greatly appreciated.

 

[OnionKnight]

if you live in the US, then fine a way to get a research chem clomid cuz its real easy. and there are better starter compounds than msten. i did hdrol as my first one and i gained some pretty good strength from it. epistane was my 2nd, and it was just better. both are better options for first cycle compounds

 

[Raiders52]

Thanks Onion for responding. There is soo much information on the internet about PH usage and it seems to vary from site to site. So lets say I agree with you, after more research m-sten seems a little too strong to run on my first PH run. Epistane/ Havoc seems to have a relatively positive attitude towards it and I would have no reservations switching to this but the research clomid is very hit or miss. I have two places that I think are the best/ safest to buy from, but if I buy bad product I am going to be in real trouble. Also if I decide that finding clomid or nolvadex that I feel is safe is too difficult is running something like Alpha Mass with 1-Andro a waste of time? Would that stack require a serm? If I need a serm, and that is the only reasonable way to use a PH, then I will find it and post back tomorrow, with what I am thinking of running as a cycle.

 

[OnionKnight]

ill say this for you

if you do get a serm, and it happens to be bunk, youll probly be fine with any dhea based cycle or moderately dosed epistne or hdrol cycle. i dont believe msten is super suppressive either. but ive never ran it, so i cant say the same

and if you get clomid, youll know if its bunk or not. youll either feel like a moody girl, or youll be having random boners pop off throughout the day like a teenager

another reason is msten is a dimethtyl, making it more toxic. you dont even know how youll react to weaker methyls, let alone dimethyl compounds. i would say this is the biggest reason you should start with a less-toxic compound

 

[Raiders52]

So Cycle that I have chosen will go as follows. Please tell me if I should change something

Havoc 30/30/30/30/(Finish Bottle 2 days at 40)
CEL Cycle Assist
Taurine on hand for pumps
Fish Oil Daily
CEL Stano at 600/800/800/1000 ? Worth the money?

PCT:
Nolva or Clomid (Which ever I find first) 20/20/10/10 or 100/100/50/25
Erase
Stay on Cycle Assist for first two weeks.

 

[hvactech]

So Cycle that I have chosen will go as follows. Please tell me if I should change something

Havoc 30/30/30/30/(Finish Bottle 2 days at 40)
CEL Cycle Assist
Taurine on hand for pumps
Fish Oil Daily
CEL Stano at 600/800/800/1000 ? Worth the money?

PCT:
Nolva or Clomid (Which ever I find first) 20/20/10/10 or 100/100/50/25
Erase
Stay on Cycle Assist for first two weeks.

If youre gonna run havoc get 2 bottles and go 6 weeks, 4 weeks is a waste! Stano needs to be a longer duration too....
6weeks epi
8weeks stano

 

[Raiders52]

I don't have the time to run stano that long, I can run havoc and stano for 5 and a half weeks, but I need to be back to normal come early September. Unless I can run stano into PCT, I am not completely familiar with how stano works, but I am well read up on Havoc.

 

[tyga tyga]

I don't have the time to run stano that long, I can run havoc and stano for 5 and a half weeks, but I need to be back to normal come early September. Unless I can run stano into PCT, I am not completely familiar with how stano works, but I am well read up on Havoc.

Ironflex has stanozane for pretty cheap. Im assuming CELs is on the higher end since cel discontinued making designers.

AM20 will get you 20% off at ironflexsupps dot com.

Hvach is right.. stano needs eight weeks, dose no lower than 800mg. Epi needs six weeks too.. either hold off or commit to a longer run

 

[Raiders52]

Alright I will run it that long if that is were the sweet spot for havoc and stano are.
Epi will be run 30mg and 800mg starting the stano first. I really wish PCT wasnt the difficult part of this to find, it is really backwards haha
Everything else look alright/ any advice?

 

[Raiders52]

Havoc 30/30/30/30/30/30
CEL Cycle Assist
Taurine on hand for pumps
Fish Oil Daily
Stanozane at 600/800/800/800/800/800

PCT:
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Erase Worth it? 2/2/1/1 ??
DAA
Stay on Cycle Assist for first two weeks.

Everything look good? About to finalize my orders.