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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt73 View Post
    Any more M1T cycles; past, present, future? Thoughts, comments? Can you get away with a dirty bulk or keep it relatively clean? I want to maximize the results of course.
    I have never ran it myself, but from what I have heard about it. Its not something I would recommend. Sides can be terrible, especially if ran high, and though you can pack on a ton of mass. Most people tend to loss most of there gains in PCT or at least a large percent. Plus in all honesty you can get the same gains, with less sides/not feel like complete death, using some of the more modern compounds out there, and with doing a little stacking. If you already own the M1T I would sell it, someone who doesn't care about the sides or who wants to add it to a Test cycle will pick it up quick. Look into the more modern compounds. The best currently still legal compounds are Mithras, Trenazone, Mechabol, Ultradrol, & triumphalis (from what I have read this seem better for fat loss then packing on mass). Any of the first four compounds I mentioned have the potential to give you the same results with less sides then M1T if ran properly or stacked. Plus you will keep more post cycle.... O, and always clean bulk... never dirty...Just my two cents
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veritatis View Post
    The best currently still legal compounds are Mithras, Trenazone, Mechabol, Ultradrol, & triumphalis (from what I have read this seem better for fat loss then packing on mass). Any of the first four compounds I mentioned have the potential to give you the same results with less sides then M1T if ran properly or stacked.
    And you just happen to rep for the company that sells all 4 of these compounds. Maybe they have less sides than m1t but the trade off is less dramatic gains and There's no way that ultradrol, trenazone or mechabol come close to m1t in that department. Also op is talking about taking 10 mgs eod so sides shouldn't be the nightmare that you're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jiggero View Post
    And you just happen to rep for the company that sells all 4 of these compounds. Maybe they have less sides than m1t but the trade off is less dramatic gains and There's no way that ultradrol, trenazone or mechabol come close to m1t in that department. Also op is talking about taking 10 mgs eod so sides shouldn't be the nightmare that you're talking about.
    We only used to sell: Trenazone, Mechabol & Ultradrol?!...and its not my fault the company I rep for made some of the best stuff on the market... I am pretty sure something like: Mithras stacked with Trenazone or Ultra w/T-zone. Will provide you with the same kept gains post PCT if ran properly, and if your diet is in check!

    Plus, 50% of the gains from M1T are going to be nothing more then glycogen and water retention that will be lost right when you start PCT... All the compounds I mentioned will provide nice dry gains with minimal to no glycogen retention ie you will most likely keep everything you put on!

    Quote Originally Posted by interrobang View Post
    We've been asked a couple of times if our new product Mithras is stronger than M1T.

    Until enough people take it, we can't answer confidently, but in order to try and approach an answer to this question, we took a close look at the anabolic:androgenic ratios for Mithras, M1T, and a few other compounds.

    Hopefully most readers will be familiar with “A:A ratios”. They measure the anabolic and androgenic potencies of a drug, as compared to a standard. For oral steroids the standard is almost always methyl testosterone.

    A ratio of 200:50, for example, would indicate that a drug was twice as anabolic, and half as androgenic, as methyl testosterone.

    These figures are based on testing conducted on castrated rats, with most of the research being performed in the 1950s and '60s. The weight of the levator ani (tail-wagging muscle) was used as a marker of anabolic activity, and the weight of androgen-responsive tissues of the ventral prostate and seminal vesicles were used to determine androgenic activity.

    This testing method was known as the Hershberger assay. One of the main ideas behind the assay is that the results should be reproducible. A second lab should be able to administer the same compound, under the same conditions, and get the same results as the first. In practice that often wasn’t the case.

    Slight differences in testing conditions, such as the age and weight of rats used, or the length of the delay after castration before administration commenced, can significantly affect the results and cause discrepancies between testing results for the same compound.

    Results for different compounds from the same laboratory are more likely to be reliable. Syntex (inventors of Masteron, Anadrol, and many others) tested many compounds over several years. Superdrol, phera, and dimethandrostenol (Mithras) were among those tested against methyltestosterone for anabolic activity. Of these, dimethandrostenol was easily the strongest. The anabolic activity of these compounds is shown in the graph below:



    Julius Vida’s 1969 work “Androgens and Anabolic Agents” has stood the test of time as an excellent compendium of other researchers’ data, and has been the “go-to” source of promising candidates for resurrection since the rise of the “prohormone” industry.
    It should be pointed out though, that there are some notable errors and omissions, and the figures in Vida’s book are quoted with little or no notice taken of methodological differences. For example, a few of the figures are from parabiotic experiments in which rats are cut open and stitched together for the duration of the experiment (a technique used to measure the anti-gonadotrophic, or ‘suppressive’ effects of a steroid), though no mention of that is made.


    (For a less credulous and more investigative look at the relative activities of certain anabolic steroids, the reader is referred to Fred A. Kincl’s excellent chapter in “Methods in Hormone Research IV”.)

    So, how reliable is the anabolic/androgenic ratio for the new prohormone dimethandrostenol likely to be? How will it stack up against other hormones of the past and present?

    Syntex’s anabolic figure of 1040 for dimethandrostenol is taken from an article in the journal Endocrinology in which the a range of compounds were compared directly (precisely because of serious variances in values reported elsewhere).
    The data shows dimethandrostenol to be 20 times stronger than methyl clostebol (Mechabol), and 3 times stronger than oxymetholone (Anadrol).

    One prime example of the variance between laboratories can be seen with the results published for madol/desoxymethyltestosterone/pheraplex (phera, for convenience). When its inventors at the Mexican labs of Syntex sent it for biological testing at the Worcester Foundation for Experimental Biology, it was reported to have an anabolic potency 437% that of methyltestosterone. When tested by researchers from Searle (inventors of oxandrolone/Anavar), they reported it to be 1200% as anabolic as methyltest – nearly three times stronger. Clearly phera cannot be 2.74 times stronger than itself – it must be methodological differences that account for the conflicting results.

    If we assume that either Searle’s results were regularly exaggerated (there's more examples that suggest this), or Syntex’s underestimated (it doesn’t matter which), and compare the reported anabolic potencies of a few of the better-known compounds they tested, dimethandrostenol looks even better – and even appears to be stronger than the previous “king” of bulking prohormones Methyl-1-Testosterone.



    On this graph, Syntex’s results (superdrol, phera, and dimethandrostenol) are marked on the left Y axis, with Searle’s on the right Y axis. They are drawn to a different scale to show the peaks of methyltestosterone and pheraplex at the same height. It’s intended that this attempts to account for methodological differences between the results from the respective labs, though it’s only a rough graphical estimate.

    Does this article, and these graphs give an accurate impression of the effects of dimethandrostenol in humans? Is Mithras really stronger than M1T? It remains to be seen, but the rat data certainly paints a picture of a very powerful anabolic.

    References on request
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    I have hard time trusting online sales of stuff, especially phs with the potential border stoppage issue. And unfortunately my local shop only has m1t under the counter so it may not be the best one to start out with(sides wise) with the low dose and pulsing it should minimize the sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post

    nope, i ran it multiple times from multiple vendors, even had powder from designer supps. i can gain a pound a day on m1t for 2 weeks, mostly water, then the gains start to slow. i will admit i must respond well to epi, i've been on for 23 days today. started at 45mg for one week, then went to 60mg. i've gained 15 lbs and look better than ever. last time i ran it i gained 20 something lbs. m1t makes me look fat and bloated. to be fair, i havent done m1t in a few years and i'm alot better at cycling now than i was then as far as training and diet.
    besides i wasn't comparing dosages anyway, 50mg of m1t was too much. i meant that after pct he might be as well off with 45mg-60-mg of epi for 6 weeks, as opposed to 10-20mg of m1t for 3-4 weeks. i may be crazy but it doesn't mean i lie. m1t aint that great.
    I respond like that to epi too, I honestly believe u.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post

    yeah and with the lack of sides, for me anyway, its a great all around compound. if that ban goes in this year or next, epi will be the one i'll stock up on first.
    Same here. All I get is back pumps but not nearly as bad as SD and that's the only side really. My energy goes up, libido stays strong, retarded pumps, strength goes through the roof and I lean out and make good gains. What more could u ask for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post

    lol, i hear u. did skullcrushers yesterday and tri's got so pumped they literally hurt. i get the same thing with biceps. wicked pumps with the epi.
    F*ck yeah I hear ya on that. I remember one day I was doing close grip bench and dip supersets, the pump was out of this world I could hardly finish lol.
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    I bought some Immense Labs M1T which Greg from lockout says is legit. Anyway I did a 7 day 20mg per day burst because I wanted to make sure it was legit ad I was wanting to run it soon and my weight went down a bit and I may have had some lethargy and strength was OK but not one sign of weight gain. I'm thinking it must be junk because M1T is notorious for instant gratification
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    what brand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    what brand?
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    I used one of the original batches of M1T from MesoLabs back in the day. 10mg was plenty to elicit some pretty bad sides even with liver sups. If I were to run it again, I'd stack it with a test to offset the lethargy. I'm betting newer clones of it are intentionally under dosed. I've run it a 5mg and had good gains.

    Be prepared for a long PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    I used one of the original batches of M1T from MesoLabs back in the day. 10mg was plenty to elicit some pretty bad sides even with liver sups. If I were to run it again, I'd stack it with a test to offset the lethargy. I'm betting newer clones of it are intentionally under dosed. I've run it a 5mg and had good gains.

    Be prepared for a long PCT.
    I remember using the Legal Gear stuff, 20 mgs was perfect for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jiggero View Post

    I remember using the Legal Gear stuff, 20 mgs was perfect for me.
    So listening to you guys mine is obviously not legit. I wasn't even retaining any water. It was made across the blue so I thought it might be good. Maybe I'll run it sometime but I don't have a lot of faith in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinytony View Post
    Immense Labs
    good 2 know.

    I only go with reputable companies in the uk for that kind of stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    good 2 know.

    I only go with reputable companies in the uk for that kind of stuff.
    Yeah according to Greg from Lockout Nutrition his cousin made it in the UK that's why I was like awesome! Felt the balls shrinking a tiny bit by this weekend but nothing else really. You think its under dosed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinytony View Post

    Yeah according to Greg from Lockout Nutrition his cousin made it in the UK that's why I was like awesome! Felt the balls shrinking a tiny bit by this weekend but nothing else really. You think its under dosed?
    Was it his first cousin or second/third cousin? ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnyboombots View Post

    Was it his first cousin or second/third cousin? ?
    Lol good question and a legitimate funny one
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinytony View Post
    Yeah according to Greg from Lockout Nutrition his cousin made it in the UK that's why I was like awesome! Felt the balls shrinking a tiny bit by this weekend but nothing else really. You think its under dosed?
    prob. maybe they messed it up, and you got methyl testosterone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    prob. maybe they messed it up, and you got methyl testosterone.
    Which would just be less sides and less gains most likely right? So if I had proof of this I could dose accordingly. Are there places to get stuff tested? If this is sourcing I will erase this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinytony View Post

    Which would just be less sides and less gains most likely right? So if I had proof of this I could dose accordingly. Are there places to get stuff tested? If this is sourcing I will erase this post.
    Minimal muslce mass gains mostly some added aggression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnyboombots View Post

    Minimal muslce mass gains mostly some added aggression.
    That's the way it felt. I only ran it 7 days fir a test run but M1T should be definitely rearing it's head by then
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