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  1. Need some help.


    I have been training for about a year and I've been following a layne norton type split for the whole time.

    I'm 24 5'6 and currently at 141 pounds. Fairly low body fat under 10% easily.

    When I started training I weighed 135 at a pretty high body fat. Got up to 155 and then decided I needed to cut a little so I have.

    I'm looking for a good oral steroid to take for a noob. I have read up about it some and still reall want to give it a try. I'm just nervous about getting bitch Tits or losing sex drive.

    If someone could help me with a good oral and how much would be a good idea to take safely for my first time, that would be sweet.

    Sorry for the rant.

    And something economical since I am in college. Thanks!!!!


  2. I'd recommend you wait until you're at the very least 160lbs at 5'6" before starting to use any type of steroid or ph.
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  3. You should do more researching throughout this forum because most of the answers you are looking for have already been posted. Use the Advanced Search and use keywords in the titles or subject search. There's a lot of info to be found. Oh and sort by date.

  4. And you would also benefit by training for well over a year before AAS use, for a host of reasons.

  5. Well that's all good. But that's not exactly what my question was. Thanks tho
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by shreddedyucky View Post
    Well that's all good. But that's not exactly what my question was. Thanks tho
    Fair enough. Google "Hdrol". Run it 75/75/75/75/75/75. Google "CEL Cycle Assist". Run it throughout the cycle. Google "Liv. 52". Run it throughout the cycle. Google "Clomid". Run it immediately after your cycle for four weeks 50/50/50/50. Google "PES Erase". Run it 3/2/2/1/1 starting the same time you start the clomid. You can also take whatever natty test booster you want during the time you take the Erase and clomid. Enjoy the gainzzzz.

  7. Thank you bro I appreciate it. Ill look it all up

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Sr_505 View Post

    Fair enough. Google "Hdrol". Run it 75/75/75/75/75/75. Google "CEL Cycle Assist". Run it throughout the cycle. Google "Liv. 52". Run it throughout the cycle. Google "Clomid". Run it immediately after your cycle for four weeks 50/50/50/50. Google "PES Erase". Run it 3/2/2/1/1 starting the same time you start the clomid. You can also take whatever natty test booster you want during the time you take the Erase and clomid. Enjoy the gainzzzz.
    Do you think running cycle assist 2 weeks prior to starting Hdrol is necessary ? Another stupid question which I'm pretty sure I know the answer to is. This should all be ran every day correct? Not just on workout days?

  9. Every day. You can preload it to avoid getting headaches because it actually causes a temporary bp spike before it lowers it.

  10. How old are you?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    How old are you?
    Can you read?

  12. Missed it. No need to be a little prick. PH's arent really for people who have only been lifting for a year. More for people who are hitting plateaus and topping out their genetic abilities. Stick with eating and grow a little more before messing with your endo system

  13. Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    Missed it. No need to be a little prick. PH's arent really for people who have only been lifting for a year. More for people who are hitting plateaus and topping out their genetic abilities. Stick with eating and grow a little more before messing with your endo system
    Oh yeah I forgot ... You were born knowing everything! My bad bro.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by shreddedyucky View Post
    Oh yeah I forgot ... You were born knowing everything! My bad bro.
    I never claimed to know everything. Your title to this post was "Need some help". The best thing that will help you at your current spot is clean diet and another solid year of lifting (minimum). But punks these days all just wanna "get big fast". Well go ahead, go do a SD cycle and get jacked the **** up! Better buy some viagra while youre at it cause youll be a limp dick by age 28!

    ****ing kids these days...SMH

  15. Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    I never claimed to know everything. Your title to this post was "Need some help". The best thing that will help you at your current spot is clean diet and another solid year of lifting (minimum). But punks these days all just wanna "get big fast". Well go ahead, go do a SD cycle and get jacked the **** up! Better buy some viagra while youre at it cause youll be a limp dick by age 28!

    ****ing kids these days...SMH
    Thanks for your help bro. I'm glad to know you and my endocrine system are so tight.

    I'm assuming you know all about my limp dick too?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by shreddedyucky View Post
    I'm just nervous about getting bitch Tits or losing sex drive.
    If someone could help get oral that'd be great.
    If this is something you don't want, best to stay away, cause It's a risk that comes with the territory little dude.

    Go to your gym, find the biggest dude, ask him to help you get oral, he'll probably hook you up in the prowler room.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    If this is something you don't want, best to stay away, cause It's a risk that comes with the territory little dude.

    Go to your gym, find the biggest dude, ask him to help you get oral, he'll probably hook you up in the prowler room.
    Lol coming from a crossfitter

  18. Quote Originally Posted by shreddedyucky View Post

    Lol coming from a crossfitter
    Lol, comming from someone using the words layne Norton and routine in the same sentence.

    And who does crossfit?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    Lol, comming from someone using the words layne Norton and routine in the same sentence.

    And who does crossfit?
    I kip all day bro

  20. Quote Originally Posted by shreddedyucky View Post

    I kip all day bro
    What's a kip?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    What's a kip?
    Seizure pull ups

  22. Oh wait, you think because I push 1,000lbs 20meters on the prowler that I crossfit?
    That's funny. Only real lifters can handle the prowler.

    Never seen a crossfit, only read about them, but I don't think your going to see any one in crossfit pushing heavy weight on a sled, in Arizona, in august, in 116 degree weather.

  23. Bro, you come here asking for help and youre just trolling on everyone. As much as we all appreciate dealing with a young smart-ass who has no experience insulting guys with decades of lifting as PH and AAS use under their belts...I think you should just STFU. Dont ask for help and troll.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Oh wait, you think because I push 1,000lbs 20meters on the prowler that I crossfit?
    That's funny. Only real lifters can handle the prowler.
    It's your attitude that gave it away. Idk what u prowl bro. If I had to guess I would say it was little kids

  25. Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    Bro, you come here asking for help and youre just trolling on everyone. As much as we all appreciate dealing with a young smart-ass who has no experience insulting guys with decades of lifting as PH and AAS use under their belts...I think you should just STFU. Dont ask for help and troll.
    I asked for some advice. I only trolled the trolls moron. Go back and read what you said from comment 1!!!!

  26. Trollin, should of known with the layne Norton routine.
    Norton was great, back in the 60's. All his name is good for now is that power juicer he sells.
    Ignore op.
    Negged.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Trollin, should of known with the layne Norton routine.
    Norton was great, back in the 60's. All his name is good for now is that power juicer he sells.
    Ignore op.
    Negged.
    Lol just keep prowlin bro. Do you !

  28. Everything previously stated is a good idea but ill answer the question as best I can, lift more, lift right and lift heavy and eat a **** ton dude get your weight up naturally first then consider a ph,

    Educate yourself on bulking first.
    Eat eat eat eat eat.
    There is plenty of threads here that can help you with that.


    Now once you get there and you feel you're ready to creep on over to the dark side there's more to think about. Do some serious research before jumping into a cycle, there's alot that can go wrong and you want to be prepared for the worst. The most important part of your cycle is nutrition, on cycle support and PCT. pct probably being at the top of that list. There's alot to think about and alot of money that goes into a healthy successful cycle. DO YOUR RESEARCH. There is plenty of info on PCT regiments on this site and other sites like this. Take it seriously, I've made the mistake of being careless during pct and it cost me Gyno symptoms which annoy me to this day. Once youre ready look into EPISTANE or HAVOC, speaking from experience I believe it's a great beginner cycle with minimal sides and great results running it something like 30/30/40/40 and bumping it up to 50 if you so choose would be a good start
    Plenty of information is available from this site
    Search search search and search again
    Good luck.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Matt Allen View Post
    Everything previously stated is a good idea but ill answer the question as best I can, lift more, lift right and lift heavy and eat a **** ton dude get your weight up naturally first then consider a ph,

    Educate yourself on bulking first.
    Eat eat eat eat eat.
    There is plenty of threads here that can help you with that.


    Now once you get there and you feel you're ready to creep on over to the dark side there's more to think about. Do some serious research before jumping into a cycle, there's alot that can go wrong and you want to be prepared for the worst. The most important part of your cycle is nutrition, on cycle support and PCT. pct probably being at the top of that list. There's alot to think about and alot of money that goes into a healthy successful cycle. DO YOUR RESEARCH. There is plenty of info on PCT regiments on this site and other sites like this. Take it seriously, I've made the mistake of being careless during pct and it cost me Gyno symptoms which annoy me to this day. Once youre ready look into EPISTANE or HAVOC, speaking from experience I believe it's a great beginner cycle with minimal sides and great results running it something like 30/30/40/40 and bumping it up to 50 if you so choose would be a good start
    Plenty of information is available from this site
    Search search search and search again
    Good luck.
    Great advice! But unfortunately he probably won't listen. Tried telling him the same thing: eat first, keep gaining, then jump on a PH. But I just got trolled on.

  30. Look into NOLVA for pct SERM
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