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    Need some help.


    I have been training for about a year and I've been following a layne norton type split for the whole time.

    I'm 24 5'6 and currently at 141 pounds. Fairly low body fat under 10% easily.

    When I started training I weighed 135 at a pretty high body fat. Got up to 155 and then decided I needed to cut a little so I have.

    I'm looking for a good oral steroid to take for a noob. I have read up about it some and still reall want to give it a try. I'm just nervous about getting bitch Tits or losing sex drive.

    If someone could help me with a good oral and how much would be a good idea to take safely for my first time, that would be sweet.

    Sorry for the rant.

    And something economical since I am in college. Thanks!!!!

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    I'd recommend you wait until you're at the very least 160lbs at 5'6" before starting to use any type of steroid or ph.
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    You should do more researching throughout this forum because most of the answers you are looking for have already been posted. Use the Advanced Search and use keywords in the titles or subject search. There's a lot of info to be found. Oh and sort by date.
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    And you would also benefit by training for well over a year before AAS use, for a host of reasons.
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    Well that's all good. But that's not exactly what my question was. Thanks tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by shreddedyucky View Post
    Well that's all good. But that's not exactly what my question was. Thanks tho
    Fair enough. Google "Hdrol". Run it 75/75/75/75/75/75. Google "CEL Cycle Assist". Run it throughout the cycle. Google "Liv. 52". Run it throughout the cycle. Google "Clomid". Run it immediately after your cycle for four weeks 50/50/50/50. Google "PES Erase". Run it 3/2/2/1/1 starting the same time you start the clomid. You can also take whatever natty test booster you want during the time you take the Erase and clomid. Enjoy the gainzzzz.
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    Thank you bro I appreciate it. Ill look it all up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sr_505 View Post

    Fair enough. Google "Hdrol". Run it 75/75/75/75/75/75. Google "CEL Cycle Assist". Run it throughout the cycle. Google "Liv. 52". Run it throughout the cycle. Google "Clomid". Run it immediately after your cycle for four weeks 50/50/50/50. Google "PES Erase". Run it 3/2/2/1/1 starting the same time you start the clomid. You can also take whatever natty test booster you want during the time you take the Erase and clomid. Enjoy the gainzzzz.
    Do you think running cycle assist 2 weeks prior to starting Hdrol is necessary ? Another stupid question which I'm pretty sure I know the answer to is. This should all be ran every day correct? Not just on workout days?
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    Every day. You can preload it to avoid getting headaches because it actually causes a temporary bp spike before it lowers it.
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    How old are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    How old are you?
    Can you read?
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    Missed it. No need to be a little prick. PH's arent really for people who have only been lifting for a year. More for people who are hitting plateaus and topping out their genetic abilities. Stick with eating and grow a little more before messing with your endo system
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    Missed it. No need to be a little prick. PH's arent really for people who have only been lifting for a year. More for people who are hitting plateaus and topping out their genetic abilities. Stick with eating and grow a little more before messing with your endo system
    Oh yeah I forgot ... You were born knowing everything! My bad bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shreddedyucky View Post
    Oh yeah I forgot ... You were born knowing everything! My bad bro.
    I never claimed to know everything. Your title to this post was "Need some help". The best thing that will help you at your current spot is clean diet and another solid year of lifting (minimum). But punks these days all just wanna "get big fast". Well go ahead, go do a SD cycle and get jacked the **** up! Better buy some viagra while youre at it cause youll be a limp dick by age 28!

    ****ing kids these days...SMH
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    I never claimed to know everything. Your title to this post was "Need some help". The best thing that will help you at your current spot is clean diet and another solid year of lifting (minimum). But punks these days all just wanna "get big fast". Well go ahead, go do a SD cycle and get jacked the **** up! Better buy some viagra while youre at it cause youll be a limp dick by age 28!

    ****ing kids these days...SMH
    Thanks for your help bro. I'm glad to know you and my endocrine system are so tight.

    I'm assuming you know all about my limp dick too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shreddedyucky View Post
    I'm just nervous about getting bitch Tits or losing sex drive.
    If someone could help get oral that'd be great.
    If this is something you don't want, best to stay away, cause It's a risk that comes with the territory little dude.

    Go to your gym, find the biggest dude, ask him to help you get oral, he'll probably hook you up in the prowler room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    If this is something you don't want, best to stay away, cause It's a risk that comes with the territory little dude.

    Go to your gym, find the biggest dude, ask him to help you get oral, he'll probably hook you up in the prowler room.
    Lol coming from a crossfitter
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    Quote Originally Posted by shreddedyucky View Post

    Lol coming from a crossfitter
    Lol, comming from someone using the words layne Norton and routine in the same sentence.

    And who does crossfit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    Lol, comming from someone using the words layne Norton and routine in the same sentence.

    And who does crossfit?
    I kip all day bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by shreddedyucky View Post

    I kip all day bro
    What's a kip?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    What's a kip?
    Seizure pull ups
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    Oh wait, you think because I push 1,000lbs 20meters on the prowler that I crossfit?
    That's funny. Only real lifters can handle the prowler.

    Never seen a crossfit, only read about them, but I don't think your going to see any one in crossfit pushing heavy weight on a sled, in Arizona, in august, in 116 degree weather.
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    Bro, you come here asking for help and youre just trolling on everyone. As much as we all appreciate dealing with a young smart-ass who has no experience insulting guys with decades of lifting as PH and AAS use under their belts...I think you should just STFU. Dont ask for help and troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Oh wait, you think because I push 1,000lbs 20meters on the prowler that I crossfit?
    That's funny. Only real lifters can handle the prowler.
    It's your attitude that gave it away. Idk what u prowl bro. If I had to guess I would say it was little kids
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    Bro, you come here asking for help and youre just trolling on everyone. As much as we all appreciate dealing with a young smart-ass who has no experience insulting guys with decades of lifting as PH and AAS use under their belts...I think you should just STFU. Dont ask for help and troll.
    I asked for some advice. I only trolled the trolls moron. Go back and read what you said from comment 1!!!!
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    Trollin, should of known with the layne Norton routine.
    Norton was great, back in the 60's. All his name is good for now is that power juicer he sells.
    Ignore op.
    Negged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Trollin, should of known with the layne Norton routine.
    Norton was great, back in the 60's. All his name is good for now is that power juicer he sells.
    Ignore op.
    Negged.
    Lol just keep prowlin bro. Do you !
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    Everything previously stated is a good idea but ill answer the question as best I can, lift more, lift right and lift heavy and eat a **** ton dude get your weight up naturally first then consider a ph,

    Educate yourself on bulking first.
    Eat eat eat eat eat.
    There is plenty of threads here that can help you with that.


    Now once you get there and you feel you're ready to creep on over to the dark side there's more to think about. Do some serious research before jumping into a cycle, there's alot that can go wrong and you want to be prepared for the worst. The most important part of your cycle is nutrition, on cycle support and PCT. pct probably being at the top of that list. There's alot to think about and alot of money that goes into a healthy successful cycle. DO YOUR RESEARCH. There is plenty of info on PCT regiments on this site and other sites like this. Take it seriously, I've made the mistake of being careless during pct and it cost me Gyno symptoms which annoy me to this day. Once youre ready look into EPISTANE or HAVOC, speaking from experience I believe it's a great beginner cycle with minimal sides and great results running it something like 30/30/40/40 and bumping it up to 50 if you so choose would be a good start
    Plenty of information is available from this site
    Search search search and search again
    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Allen View Post
    Everything previously stated is a good idea but ill answer the question as best I can, lift more, lift right and lift heavy and eat a **** ton dude get your weight up naturally first then consider a ph,

    Educate yourself on bulking first.
    Eat eat eat eat eat.
    There is plenty of threads here that can help you with that.


    Now once you get there and you feel you're ready to creep on over to the dark side there's more to think about. Do some serious research before jumping into a cycle, there's alot that can go wrong and you want to be prepared for the worst. The most important part of your cycle is nutrition, on cycle support and PCT. pct probably being at the top of that list. There's alot to think about and alot of money that goes into a healthy successful cycle. DO YOUR RESEARCH. There is plenty of info on PCT regiments on this site and other sites like this. Take it seriously, I've made the mistake of being careless during pct and it cost me Gyno symptoms which annoy me to this day. Once youre ready look into EPISTANE or HAVOC, speaking from experience I believe it's a great beginner cycle with minimal sides and great results running it something like 30/30/40/40 and bumping it up to 50 if you so choose would be a good start
    Plenty of information is available from this site
    Search search search and search again
    Good luck.
    Great advice! But unfortunately he probably won't listen. Tried telling him the same thing: eat first, keep gaining, then jump on a PH. But I just got trolled on.
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    Look into NOLVA for pct SERM
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    Great advice! But unfortunately he probably won't listen. Tried telling him the same thing: eat first, keep gaining, then jump on a PH. But I just got trolled on.
    Thanks dude and ya I realize that, just hoping to give any advice that may stick, if he doesn't listen then his worst nightmares about cycling WILL become a reality. Hopefully he can make the right choices and be safe!
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    Op should run max lmg plus metabolan with hdrol for 6 weeks.

    Hcghenerate and ax advanced pct for pct

    He'll get huge, fast, and will stop bothering us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shreddedyucky in pm said
    Prowlers are for ***s
    Op is def trolling, Lmao, what is he, 12?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Op should run max lmg plus metabolan with hdrol for 6 weeks.

    Hcghenerate and advanced pct for pct.
    Lol pretty nasty stack for his first time, especially considering he's like 140 lbs or something. I'd love to see that logged lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Allen View Post
    Lol pretty nasty stack for his first time, especially considering he's like 140 lbs or something. I'd love to see that logged lmao
    I'd love to see his post 2 months after PCT asking why he is lactating and why he cant get his dick hard to save his life lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Allen View Post
    Everything previously stated is a good idea but ill answer the question as best I can, lift more, lift right and lift heavy and eat a **** ton dude get your weight up naturally first then consider a ph,

    Educate yourself on bulking first.
    Eat eat eat eat eat.
    There is plenty of threads here that can help you with that.

    Now once you get there and you feel you're ready to creep on over to the dark side there's more to think about. Do some serious research before jumping into a cycle, there's alot that can go wrong and you want to be prepared for the worst. The most important part of your cycle is nutrition, on cycle support and PCT. pct probably being at the top of that list. There's alot to think about and alot of money that goes into a healthy successful cycle. DO YOUR RESEARCH. There is plenty of info on PCT regiments on this site and other sites like this. Take it seriously, I've made the mistake of being careless during pct and it cost me Gyno symptoms which annoy me to this day. Once youre ready look into EPISTANE or HAVOC, speaking from experience I believe it's a great beginner cycle with minimal sides and great results running it something like 30/30/40/40 and bumping it up to 50 if you so choose would be a good start
    Plenty of information is available from this site
    Search search search and search again
    Good luck.
    Appreciate your time bro!

    And your seemingly genuine concern as opposed to being an ass!!!

    I'm not trying to lactate!

    I understand the idea of eating a lot to get bigger, I just figure if there is something else I can do to help get me bigger faster, that isn't absolutely crazy than why wouldn't I do it ? I'm not trying to oils into my bicep. Just something mild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    I'd love to see his post 2 months after PCT asking why he is lactating and why he cant get his dick hard to save his life lol
    You mad bro ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shreddedyucky View Post

    You mad bro ?
    I eat cheeseburgers bigger than you. Quit being a dik. If you joined here to learn than do so. People will only give you the respect you give to them.
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    Let the lil prick **** his body up if he doesnt want to listen to people trying to help him out. In fact get you some quad stack that will suit you nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kswiss View Post
    Let the lil prick **** his body up if he doesnt want to listen to people trying to help him out. In fact get you some quad stack that will suit you nicely.
    Word bro
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