Cycle Overview Mdrol/Epi

[2ndchance]

Been about 3 years since I've done a cycle. I have some old orals im going to give a shot at. Epistane/Mdrol both by CEL.

Please dont respond if you're a rookie who regurgitates the same crap as everyone else.

Would like an opinion on how this cycle is set-up to ensure its ran properly about three years ago this board had a bunch of good informative dudes, I hope they're still here. My only concern is delayed gyno from this ****. IT happened before when I was on rebound XT in 2007 if I believe.

Week 1-10 Creatine Monohydrate
Week 1-8 CEL Cycle Assist
Week 1-3 Mdrol 20mg ED
Week 3-6 Epistane 10/20/30/30
Week 6-9 DAA 3g ED
Week 7-10 AAKG 3g Pre/Post
Week 7-9 Nolvadex 40/20/20
Week 9-11 PES Erase 2/2/1

Anyways bros who can help or think Im g2g let me know. I feel confident with it. Im open to suggestions as I was once young and didnt listen to ALL of the advise given. A little older, a little wiser. TIA

 

[OnionKnight]

i plan to do this cycle in the future myself. the only thing id change is upping the epi dose. id start at 30 the first week then go 40 for 3 more. i have tudca for mine though, even though i dont plan to do it for at least another year. im a bit of a hoarder

 

[2ndchance]

Only problem is I have 66 caps of epistane. Im kind of mickey mousing it together. I dont see a need for 4 weeks of MDROL. I could kill the bottle but what for? That is unnecessary.

 

[tinytony]

i plan to do this cycle in the future myself. the only thing id change is upping the epi dose. id start at 30 the first week then go 40 for 3 more. i have tudca for mine though, even though i dont plan to do it for at least another year. im a bit of a hoarder

I agree with Onion here. In my experience lethargy on an Epi,Superdrol combo kicked my ass not to mention my knees and elbows hurt a little.. I think I have no mucho estrogen to start with and this convoy obliterated it! But if you are different and can handle it I'd go for it. TUDCA, Alpha Lipoic Acid, and cycle support.. if you have aromasin you should not have rebound problems and I've also suffered thru that. The bumps went away though.

 

[2ndchance]

alright cool. thanks guys!
Going to work on getting the nolva

 

[Sr_505]

I could've just read this wrong, but are you planning on starting DAA during the last week of epi?

 

[2ndchance]

Im fairly new to DAA, however, I was going with my own theory of taking it somewhat earlier so that (even though IT IS NOT HCG) I can send some type of stimulation to my nutsack.

"DAA causes a number of effects on the body, increasing the release of gonadotrophin and luteinizing hormone, increasing cyclic adenosine monophosphate and nitric oxide production. But what makes DAA Supplement to a breaktrough testosterone booster is its ability to increase production of the body’s own testosterone."

If the above is correct...then why?

I even have some sustain alpha laying around. Cant believe I found the stuff

 

[Sr_505]

Im fairly new to DAA, however, I was going with my own theory of taking it somewhat earlier so that (even though IT IS NOT HCG) I can send some type of stimulation to my nutsack.

"DAA causes a number of effects on the body, increasing the release of gonadotrophin and luteinizing hormone, increasing cyclic adenosine monophosphate and nitric oxide production. But what makes DAA Supplement to a breaktrough testosterone booster is its ability to increase production of the body's own testosterone."

If the above is correct...then why?

I even have some sustain alpha laying around. Cant believe I found the stuff

I don't think your body is going to kick start test production back up while it has synthetic androgens in it, regardless of whether you take DAA or not. But hey, it might be worth a shot.

 

[REALDEAL012]

10mg of Epi is pointless.. 20mg is almost just as bad. If you can't start at 30, it's not even worth it since it takes about 3 weeks to really notice anything at 30mg+

 

[OnionKnight]

I don't think your body is going to kick start test production back up while it has synthetic androgens in it, regardless of whether you take DAA or not. But hey, it might be worth a shot.

yea but there is some speculation that daa takes a week to load at 3g/day. idk how much truth there is to that, but thats the reason why people start daa during the last week of the cycle

 

[Sr_505]

yea but there is some speculation that daa takes a week to load at 3g/day. idk how much truth there is to that, but thats the reason why people start daa during the last week of the cycle

That is definitely something that could work, as I'm aware of the time it takes for DAA to kick in. The only problem could be that the supplementation of DAA might not even have any affect of the body while you are taking a steroid, so the "loading" per say wouldn't actually start until you stopped taking the steroid. But honestly, that's pretty much just bioscience on my part, and I'm sure there's people that know a hell of a lot more about that than me who can chime in.

 

[2ndchance]

Alright, things are coming together .

Got the nolva. Im ready to rock this ****. I imagine 12lbs in this 6 week period... Going to need tuarine for the cramps and going to get some cycle support supps.

FYI, I have some sustain alpha as well.

And TinyTony, I have a few aromasin caps left... if I would, how would I dose it?

 

[gymrat727]

I do not like this lay out one bit... First your running to methylated ph in one cycle second your adding creatine on cycle (witch isn't that bad but since u have two methylated compounds your kidneys are going to be working way to hard) third you don't have a very good pct fourth 10mg of epi? Lol just save the epi at that point. Fifth 3 weeks of Mdrol? Run it 4 weeks. The list goes on man

 

[2ndchance]

I do not like this lay out one bit... First your running to methylated ph in one cycle second your adding creatine on cycle (witch isn't that bad but since u have two methylated compounds your kidneys are going to be working way to hard) third you don't have a very good pct fourth 10mg of epi? Lol just save the epi at that point. Fifth 3 weeks of Mdrol? Run it 4 weeks. The list goes on man

I am running 1 week with epi in the cycle which will hardly be anything compared to previous cycles. I have ran tren/test/oral for 4 months straight, had bloodwork done 6 months later and had all values in order for myself. k thnx.
I am actually taking creatine off until I start PCT. I've modified it a bit on paper.
Epi - I've had rebound gyno in the past from mdrol, if I take a less androgenic steriod then my body will have that time to help re-adjust estrogen instead of rebounding and plus I can get rid of this **** and I have more epistane. Good thing I looked in the inventory.
PCT is weak? How so? I have a SERM, I have a test booster, I have a estro inhibitor, I have basic natty supplements...what more would I need?

Week 1- 4 Mdrol 20mgs
Week 4-6 Epistane 30mgs
Week 1-8 Cycle Support sups.
Week 7-11 DAA 3G or Sustain Alpha 4 Pumps ED
Week 7-9 Nolva 40/20/20
Week 7-10 AI 3/3/2/2/1
Week 7-11 Creatine 10g

I really do not see a problem here... I dont. Maybe I've always done it wrong????

Take a picture of your deadlift from the front because from here it looks like a buck thirty five

 

[2ndchance]

This will be my Pre-cycle picture.

198lbs

 

[gymrat727]

This will be my Pre-cycle picture.View attachment 85172 198lbs

Not much of base considering you have done so many cycles and lol at my "135" deadlift

 

[2ndchance]

Since we're considering...3 years ago I was in a spot where lifting didn't matter anymore, it wasnt important. Im back in it, and I think my base is fine for having done a couple cycles along with unmonitored nutrition for 3 years and minor exercise. But the explanation isnt owed really to you.

I have all my ancillaries ready. I remember this flavor of the AI Cycle support. The peanut butter flavor makes me cringe and gag it down. I have to tell myself it tastes better than it really does.

Im going to kick this off on the 25th (Wednesday)

I started doing hip thrusts as a new tactic to increasing my deadlift/squat.

Here is the final review of the cycle:
Week 1- 4 Mdrol 20mgs
Week 4-6 Epistane 30mgs
Week 1-8 Cycle Support sups.
Week 7-11 DAA 3G or Sustain Alpha 4 Pumps ED
Week 7-9 Nolva 40/20/20
Week 7-10 AI 3/3/2/2/1
Week 7-11 Creatine 10g

 

[ELROCK]

The new cycle layout looks spot on bro! Best of lick with it!

 

[ELROCK]

luck* with it! Lol

 

[celc5]

I ran this bridge a few years back. In hind sight, it was a decent cycle. But the recovery was more brutal than it was worth.

 

[2ndchance]

Lets hope I can come back quick enough. lol. I just looked in my fridge... I could start today...

 

[2ndchance]

I ran this bridge a few years back. In hind sight, it was a decent cycle. But the recovery was more brutal than it was worth.

Im going to have a pep talk with my testes too. "alright guys, we got recovery coming in 4 weeks, are you ready?!"

I may just stick with the SD at the end of week 4. Possibly bump it up to 30mgs the last week if I can handle it.

 

[2ndchance]

Alright, I kicked it off yesterday on the 23rd. I took my first dose 2 hours before my workout. Not going to say I felt amazing but I did feel a bit pumped up more than usual and completed more sets. Also felt more focused and serious with my lifts. Im going with a 5x5 training method with some dXo reps, partials, negatives as finishers for each exercise. Also some 3x, 4x, 10x combinations.

Im going to keep eating, keep lifting, and keep resting.

 

[Sr_505]

Alright, I kicked it off yesterday on the 23rd. I took my first dose 2 hours before my workout. Not going to say I felt amazing but I did feel a bit pumped up more than usual and completed more sets. Also felt more focused and serious with my lifts. Im going with a 5x5 training method with some dXo reps, partials, negatives as finishers for each exercise. Also some 3x, 4x, 10x combinations.

Gotta love the placebo effect the first couples days on cycle.

 

[2ndchance]

Idk bro... My nips are sore already, lol and I've had lower back cramps too since the following morning of my first dose.

Definitely pounding water like a whale too.

I have some cabergoline...let see if it fixes this soreness... not happy right now at all..

 

[drewsicle3210]

Since we're considering...3 years ago I was in a spot where lifting didn't matter anymore, it wasnt important. Im back in it, and I think my base is fine for having done a couple cycles along with unmonitored nutrition for 3 years and minor exercise. But the explanation isnt owed really to you.

I have all my ancillaries ready. I remember this flavor of the AI Cycle support. The peanut butter flavor makes me cringe and gag it down. I have to tell myself it tastes better than it really does.

Im going to kick this off on the 25th (Wednesday)

I started doing hip thrusts as a new tactic to increasing my deadlift/squat.

Here is the final review of the cycle:
Week 1- 4 Mdrol 20mgs
Week 4-6 Epistane 30mgs
Week 1-8 Cycle Support sups.
Week 7-11 DAA 3G or Sustain Alpha 4 Pumps ED
Week 7-9 Nolva 40/20/20
Week 7-10 AI 3/3/2/2/1
Week 7-11 Creatine 10g

Why do you feel that you need 10g of creatine a day?
IF you want to load, do 20g for a few days, then knock it down to 3-5 grams a day.
Personally, I would just start at 3 grams a day and continue on for the rest of your lifting career.
You shouldn't need to load while 'ON'.

 

[2ndchance]

I took some cabergoline (dostinex caps) and still sensitive but it does seem less sensitive than 24 hours prior to first dose... im bumming out right now...

Im also bloated as hell too. I can feel it. Would some one say this is not prog. estrogen related?

 

[2ndchance]

Alright, so the dostinex is working great. .5mg every 3 days. So far, so good. Also noticed the bloat has gone away as well. You wouldn't believe me but the first 2 days on cycle I gained 8lbs and felt very bloated now I can see my abs again, and everything feels alright.

Im enjoying the amount of workload I can complete in the gym now, obviously. Other then that, diet is pretty good for the most part. Workouts are good, I challenge myself more too.

Day 8 starts tomorrow. 21 days left.

 

[dkgreene88]

Subbd

 

[2ndchance]

So far so good. I have to stay on top of the tuarine for the muscle tightness. Strength goes up every workout. I notice I get pretty sleepy within the first hour of consuming a capsule of mdrol. Im always craving carbs.

I do wish I waiting sometime and just ran a real cycle.

 

[rphash49]

I went through a lot of taurine on simular cycles. 6-8g a day to keep the back pumps at bay.

Alpha sustain is great stuff! To bad they don't make it any more. It's awesome in pct.

M-drol can completely shut you down fast. While I'm not a fan of Nolva I would use min 4 weeks.

 

[2ndchance]

Im paranoid towards the end of this cycle, its given me limp dick before.. LOL...I could always pop a cialas/viagra to ensure stability and performance!

 

[2ndchance]

Everything is going well.My workouts are a bit longer with more sets. My volume is still up. I felt the lethargy kick in from MDROL always an hour after taking it so I would usually take a nap.

My bench has gone up by 6 reps w/o a spotter.
Legs, good
Biceps, good
Triceps, good
Shoulders, good
Calves, ok (still pushing)
My back is looking pretty good too.

I ended up bridging this cycle into Epistane @ 50mgs for 4 weeks. So far, so good. I should be off of this cycle by the 2nd of September.

Alright guys, Im out for now. Everythings good.

 

[Matthersby]

I'm with gymrat 100%
Run them separate.
Buy another bottle of EPI for another cycle. You can never have too much EPI laying around. Make it count. 5 weeks @ 40 mg. 2 weeks just annoys me.
Run the Mdrol solo and PCT. If you want to stack or bridge, Just get real gear or find a non-methyl. This still doesn't make sense to me.....

 

[mbk102]

Mattherby what do u take for pct

 

[Matthersby]

Mattherby what do u take for pct

I take naps when I find the time. Now go do some research you little thread-jacking supertroll...

 

[carbs]

Looks like an interesting cycle, but I'd run the nolva instead @ 20/20/10/10
Just my .02
Good luck, have fun, and be safe

 

[2ndchance]

Just an Update guys...Cycle was good. I definitely miss real gear. Around Jan I might do one... :]

However, this cycle...its my 5th day off. Im poppin boners perfectly fine. I actually lost a little sex drive on EPI.

Im slathering on Sustain Alpha 4 pumps for 5 days, then off for 2.
Taking 3/3/2/2/1 of PES Erase
DAA 3G ED (split dose)
Nolva at 40/20/20
Running a little mix of Creatine Mono, AAKG, Beta-Alanine

Im done running PH's unless Im kick starting a real cycle but even then I could use Prop...

SD and I have this bad re pour with one another. For great gains I always get a hurt shoulder. I've always stuck with dumbbells but when I cycle I go to the BB for benching because I feel it builds the entire upper body much better than dumbbells.

I brought up all my lifts substantially. Deadllift went up 65lbs, squats 45lbs, shoulders 15lbs, Bis 25lbs, bench 45lbs, Tri 40lbs+

I got what I wanted thus far. If I can keep the strength I imagine the muscle will stay, and then I can begin density training to solidify it better with heavier weight.

Now, I have until Jan. to really kick some ass in the natural department. What do you guys use when you're off? supplement wise?

I felt 5x5 training was the best training method I've used for cycling.