MOHN/MDIEN Combo dosage ?
12-27-2004 08:11 PM
MOHN/MDIEN Combo dosage ?
quick question,i am planning a 6 week cycle of MOHN/MDIEn at 24mgs MOHN and 12mgs MDIEN. I am 242 lbs. Too high or Low, any input?
12-27-2004 09:28 PM
I know nothing...
if you've done ph/ps before, then it looks good.
12-27-2004 10:20 PM
I like that for your weight. Are you exp'd with either of these previously? If not, I'd start lower and work up. Those are good doses alone, so together you might use less. Remember the mixing methyl risks, too.
12-27-2004 10:31 PM
Im 5'7, 172 and I hope to be around 185 after my SuperDrol cycle. At what dosages would this stack work for me. I have one experience with PH, an S1+ cycle.
12-28-2004 09:07 AM
I have done cycles of 1test, 1AD, M1,4ADD, etc. before. I have not used MOHN or MDIEN before. My understanding was that MOHN was a mild methyl, I have read that MDIEN is not so mild on the liver. I will be on a calorie restricted diet as I begin to prep for a possible April show.
Any other thoughts?
12-28-2004 09:10 AM
I should also add that i am 6'4", have trained seriously for 6 years, am 29, and have done a bunch of cycles in the past. Diet and training are in check, just curious as to what a solid dosage would be foer stacking MOHN/MDIEN. Seen a bunch on just MOHN, not the two combined.
12-28-2004 09:23 AM
I was doing a very similar stack in the summertime, 9mg m-dien per day along with 24mg m4ohn. My only word of warning for you is to keep an eye out for gyno symptoms, I suffered a nasty flareup that had me lactating, and left a lump behind that I've been unable to shrink with nolva, adactrim, absolved plus 3-alpha, etc. It just showed up one day when I did a self exam, with no prior warning signs of puffiness, itching, pain, etc., but once it was there for a few days those signs finally popped up. Even with starting nolvadex therapy as soon as the lump appeared, the nolvadex did nothing to shrink the lump back down.
12-28-2004 10:18 AM
Originally Posted by max silver
Do you think that m-dien was responsible for the gyno? Lactating sounds terribly bad.
12-28-2004 10:27 AM
I wish I knew which compound to blame. I didn't start the m4ohn until a few weeks into the cycle, and within 4 or 5 days of starting m4ohn, the gyno reared it's ugly head. That's my own fault for trying two new compounds at once, but I thought that with nolvadex on hand, I'd be safe if problems did show up.
I've been using m4ohn in a cutting cycle for the last 3 weeks with no problems, but I've been dosing nolvadex at 20mg/day since the start of the cycle, as I'm not taking any chances in further lump formation beyond what I already have.
As far as the lactating goes, it's pretty disconcerting to say the least. I remember on of the more terrifying dreams I ever had was one where my nipples were really hurting, and upon squeezing one, a whitish fluid came out. It really sucks when your worst fears are realized.
12-28-2004 11:21 AM
Max - I am sorry to hear that man, that really sucks.
Originally Posted by max silver
Gunz - From my own experience and because of what was just said, I would def recommend using Nolva throughout....I got some symptoms of gyno from a M4OHN cycle a while back and that was on 20mgs of Nolva a day. The doses look good to me but if I were you id take precautions.....better safe than sorry and if youre cutting up, the anti-e's will help you keep dry and ripped.
12-28-2004 01:12 PM
wow, horror stories...thanks for the great info, will most likely use nolva throughout because of your insight...any more horror stories or are these isolated incidents, thanks again
12-28-2004 01:17 PM
P.S. - I was under the impression that since MOHN is so closely related to Decca, aromitization issues were almost nil? Also, the research i've seen on MDIEN indicate a very small chance of estrogenic sides, any further info or thoughts?
12-28-2004 01:22 PM
That's exactly the same impression that I had of the compounds, so imagine my shock and horror when gyno just showed up out of nowhere. There's most likely something else to blame with gyno and these compounds, whether that's progesterone, prolactin, or what I can't say for certain, but the danger is certainly real.
12-28-2004 01:35 PM
I don't know the cause but at the time I thought it was based on the fact that the low conversion theories were based on the low doses recommended (8-16mgs M4OHN). I was running around 50mgs throughout, give or take. Like I said, I dont know the reason, but this was my assumption at the time.
12-28-2004 01:53 PM
Increased dosing levels would certainly throw the initial data out the window. Although in my first time out with m4ohn, I was still not too terribly high in dosing levels at 24mg/day, but it could have been the combo of m-dien and m4ohn that caused me to have problems.
12-28-2004 02:06 PM
guys nandrolone increases progestone / has a progestrogenic effect and increases prolactin. what it does is makes you extemley estrogen sensetive, and eve low dosages will cause gyno
I'm planning to add bromo or ru 486 if I can get it to my nandrolone related cycles
check out this thread:
12-28-2004 02:15 PM
I neglected to mention that I've been running bromo myself during my current m4ohn cycle, 1.25mg before bed. I just can't afford to take any more chances with even more gyno. What I have isn't that bad really, mostly puffy nipples, which look good sometimes, and like **** at other times, but it still bugs the **** out of me.
I've heard mention of ru 486 before, but am unfamiliar with the specifics of the compound. Do you have any more information on the stuff you can share?
12-28-2004 03:31 PM
its a progestrone blocker. the only sepcific one I know, used as an abortion pill. very tough to get unless youre an abortion doctor or know chinese
Im looking for it myself
how is the bromo going with the mohn? thats realy interesting. any other compounds? also what is your chest fat levels?
12-28-2004 03:44 PM
I'm using nolvadex at 20mg/day, as well as a bit of 1-test transdermal I need to use up sometime, while it still has at least some potency remaining.
It's hard to say for certain whether the bromo is having any effect or not, it hasn't reduced the already existent puffiness, but things haven't gotten any worse at a fairly high dosage of m4ohn, so it seems like it must be doing something. I don't have much chest fat of which to speak, I tend to store most of my fat around the midsection instead.
12-28-2004 04:07 PM
allow me to ask some more questions to see if I can deduce anything for myself
how much mohn?
what kind of cycle? (cutter/bulker etc)
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