MOHN/MDIEN Combo dosage ?
- 12-27-2004, 08:11 PM
- 12-27-2004, 09:28 PM
12-27-2004, 10:20 PM
I like that for your weight. Are you exp'd with either of these previously? If not, I'd start lower and work up. Those are good doses alone, so together you might use less. Remember the mixing methyl risks, too.
12-27-2004, 10:31 PM
Im 5'7, 172 and I hope to be around 185 after my SuperDrol cycle. At what dosages would this stack work for me. I have one experience with PH, an S1+ cycle.
12-28-2004, 09:07 AM
I have done cycles of 1test, 1AD, M1,4ADD, etc. before. I have not used MOHN or MDIEN before. My understanding was that MOHN was a mild methyl, I have read that MDIEN is not so mild on the liver. I will be on a calorie restricted diet as I begin to prep for a possible April show.
Any other thoughts?
12-28-2004, 09:10 AM
I should also add that i am 6'4", have trained seriously for 6 years, am 29, and have done a bunch of cycles in the past. Diet and training are in check, just curious as to what a solid dosage would be foer stacking MOHN/MDIEN. Seen a bunch on just MOHN, not the two combined.
12-28-2004, 09:23 AM
I was doing a very similar stack in the summertime, 9mg m-dien per day along with 24mg m4ohn. My only word of warning for you is to keep an eye out for gyno symptoms, I suffered a nasty flareup that had me lactating, and left a lump behind that I've been unable to shrink with nolva, adactrim, absolved plus 3-alpha, etc. It just showed up one day when I did a self exam, with no prior warning signs of puffiness, itching, pain, etc., but once it was there for a few days those signs finally popped up. Even with starting nolvadex therapy as soon as the lump appeared, the nolvadex did nothing to shrink the lump back down.
12-28-2004, 10:18 AM
Originally Posted by max silver
Do you think that m-dien was responsible for the gyno? Lactating sounds terribly bad.
12-28-2004, 10:27 AM
I wish I knew which compound to blame. I didn't start the m4ohn until a few weeks into the cycle, and within 4 or 5 days of starting m4ohn, the gyno reared it's ugly head. That's my own fault for trying two new compounds at once, but I thought that with nolvadex on hand, I'd be safe if problems did show up.
I've been using m4ohn in a cutting cycle for the last 3 weeks with no problems, but I've been dosing nolvadex at 20mg/day since the start of the cycle, as I'm not taking any chances in further lump formation beyond what I already have.
As far as the lactating goes, it's pretty disconcerting to say the least. I remember on of the more terrifying dreams I ever had was one where my nipples were really hurting, and upon squeezing one, a whitish fluid came out. It really sucks when your worst fears are realized.
12-28-2004, 11:21 AM
Max - I am sorry to hear that man, that really sucks.Originally Posted by max silver
Gunz - From my own experience and because of what was just said, I would def recommend using Nolva throughout....I got some symptoms of gyno from a M4OHN cycle a while back and that was on 20mgs of Nolva a day. The doses look good to me but if I were you id take precautions.....better safe than sorry and if youre cutting up, the anti-e's will help you keep dry and ripped.
12-28-2004, 01:12 PM
wow, horror stories...thanks for the great info, will most likely use nolva throughout because of your insight...any more horror stories or are these isolated incidents, thanks again
12-28-2004, 01:17 PM
P.S. - I was under the impression that since MOHN is so closely related to Decca, aromitization issues were almost nil? Also, the research i've seen on MDIEN indicate a very small chance of estrogenic sides, any further info or thoughts?
12-28-2004, 01:22 PM
That's exactly the same impression that I had of the compounds, so imagine my shock and horror when gyno just showed up out of nowhere. There's most likely something else to blame with gyno and these compounds, whether that's progesterone, prolactin, or what I can't say for certain, but the danger is certainly real.
12-28-2004, 01:35 PM
I don't know the cause but at the time I thought it was based on the fact that the low conversion theories were based on the low doses recommended (8-16mgs M4OHN). I was running around 50mgs throughout, give or take. Like I said, I dont know the reason, but this was my assumption at the time.
12-28-2004, 01:53 PM
Increased dosing levels would certainly throw the initial data out the window. Although in my first time out with m4ohn, I was still not too terribly high in dosing levels at 24mg/day, but it could have been the combo of m-dien and m4ohn that caused me to have problems.
12-28-2004, 02:06 PM
guys nandrolone increases progestone / has a progestrogenic effect and increases prolactin. what it does is makes you extemley estrogen sensetive, and eve low dosages will cause gyno
I'm planning to add bromo or ru 486 if I can get it to my nandrolone related cycles
check out this thread:
12-28-2004, 02:15 PM
I neglected to mention that I've been running bromo myself during my current m4ohn cycle, 1.25mg before bed. I just can't afford to take any more chances with even more gyno. What I have isn't that bad really, mostly puffy nipples, which look good sometimes, and like **** at other times, but it still bugs the **** out of me.
I've heard mention of ru 486 before, but am unfamiliar with the specifics of the compound. Do you have any more information on the stuff you can share?
12-28-2004, 03:31 PM
its a progestrone blocker. the only sepcific one I know, used as an abortion pill. very tough to get unless youre an abortion doctor or know chinese
Im looking for it myself
how is the bromo going with the mohn? thats realy interesting. any other compounds? also what is your chest fat levels?
12-28-2004, 03:44 PM
I'm using nolvadex at 20mg/day, as well as a bit of 1-test transdermal I need to use up sometime, while it still has at least some potency remaining.
It's hard to say for certain whether the bromo is having any effect or not, it hasn't reduced the already existent puffiness, but things haven't gotten any worse at a fairly high dosage of m4ohn, so it seems like it must be doing something. I don't have much chest fat of which to speak, I tend to store most of my fat around the midsection instead.
12-28-2004, 04:07 PM
allow me to ask some more questions to see if I can deduce anything for myself
how much mohn?
what kind of cycle? (cutter/bulker etc)
12-28-2004, 04:22 PM
12-28-2004, 06:23 PM
are doses of mohn at or below 20 mgs combined w/mdien at or below 12 mgs likely to cause any gyno related problems? i have heard of many people using these compounds with little to no sides. thoughts?
12-28-2004, 06:40 PM
I read what Lyle had to say and I think that in OUR case (supplemented ;-)) we should take the bromo in divided doses with the M40HN.
what do you think?
12-28-2004, 07:35 PM
I suspect you may be correct on that account, I had just been taking the bromo at night in order to avoid the side effects, which for myself include lethargy, runny nose, congestion, etc. By taking the entire dose before I go to sleep I've been able to avoid those, as I'm sleeping when the product is at it's peak blood levels.
12-28-2004, 07:43 PM
yes but dopamine should be lowered at night and highest at the morning to help with fat burning and mood- OTOH m4ohn messes with DA receptors in a good way
how do we balance all this, I guess trial and error... :-)
how is youre sleep/mood/fat burning going with the aforementioned combo?
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