1. Originally Posted by jiggero
5 days on with only 2 days off is not much of a pulse.
Would you all suggest running it ED at 30mg weeks 1-4 with stano 1-8?

2. Originally Posted by xigotmailx
Would you all suggest running it ED at 30mg weeks 1-4 with stano 1-8?
I'm saying either run a full cycle or a full pulse, make a choice. 5 days a week with only 2 days off is not really a pulse.
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3. Originally Posted by jiggero
I'm saying either run a full cycle or a full pulse, make a choice. 5 days a week with only 2 days off is not really a pulse.
Hook it up with some suggestions, I know for sure I want to be rid of the stano and sd with this cycle.

Possibilities?

5/7x30mg sd 45 days = 600mg stano 60 days

10/20/20/20/20/30mg sd 44 days = 600mg stano 60 days

10/20/30/30/30mg sd 37 days = 600mg stano 24 days, 800mg stano 27 days = 51 days

30/30/30/30mg sd 30 days = 800mg stano 30 days, 1000mg stano 12 days = 42 days

I'm sure there are other possibilities as well, what are your sugguestions?

4. Originally Posted by xigotmailx
Hook it up with some suggestions, I know for sure I want to be rid of the stano and sd with this cycle.

Possibilities?

5/7x30mg sd 45 days = 600mg stano 60 days

10/20/20/20/20/30mg sd 44 days = 600mg stano 60 days

10/20/30/30/30mg sd 37 days = 600mg stano 24 days, 800mg stano 27 days = 51 days

30/30/30/30mg sd 30 days = 800mg stano 30 days, 1000mg stano 12 days = 42 days

I'm sure there are other possibilities as well, what are your sugguestions?
Check out the thread by Dr.D.
How to "pulse" orals. It will answer every question that you could possibly think of.

5. I just looked it up, I don't think I'm gonna pulse the cycle. Going to run the SD for 37 days at 20/20/20/30/30 as I've had great results with that in the past. Going with 20 days 600mg stano then 30 days at 800mg. UDCA for liver, cycle assist from start to end of pct. Erase, Clomid, Daa, Creatine in PCT, starting right now!
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6. I am a few days into week 3 and am considering bumping it up to 20 and riding that out for the remainder of the 6 weeks. I have just started to see modest strength gains and have enjoyed the hell out of it. Any advice or should I just dive in?

7. Originally Posted by mandime
I am a few days into week 3 and am considering bumping it up to 20 and riding that out for the remainder of the 6 weeks. I have just started to see modest strength gains and have enjoyed the hell out of it. Any advice or should I just dive in?
DO EEEEEEEEEETT!!!!!! Seriously, just try it out and see how you like it. Assess sides and all, but you should be fine. Are you taking anything for your liver?

8. Originally Posted by xigotmailx
DO EEEEEEEEEETT!!!!!! Seriously, just try it out and see how you like it. Assess sides and all, but you should be fine. Are you taking anything for your liver?
I'm taking Cycle Support and some extra milk thistle. Ya, I'm going to bump it up to 20 tomorrow and see what's up.

9. I just started my cycle 2 days ago, at 20mg, its a good dosage for me

10. on day 7 of 20mg along with 2 4ad rde tabs a day and i feel absolutely nothing.

11. Don't worry about not feeling it yet. It will happen soon enough. I have a question for you guys out there. I am concerned with my blood pressure and have an old script of 10mg propranolol tablets. This seems like an ideal medication to take while on cycle. Anyone know of any issues with AAS and beta blockers like propranolol?

12. I take a beta blocker and probably will (at some dosage) for the rest of my life. I have found no issues while on cycle, and it actually slows my heart rate...which usually elevates while on androgens, so that is a positive for me. My beta blocker does not lower my BP that much though and I require an actual BP med (like an ACE) for that while on something that elevates my BP on cycle. but give the beta blocker a shot, and check your BP every day or EOD and see what happens....might do the trick.

13. Originally Posted by mandime
Don't worry about not feeling it yet. It will happen soon enough. I have a question for you guys out there. I am concerned with my blood pressure and have an old script of 10mg propranolol tablets. This seems like an ideal medication to take while on cycle. Anyone know of any issues with AAS and beta blockers like propranolol?
A downside to beta blockers is that you may feel lethargic at first due to a decreased heart rate. so if you're taking a methylated compound that causes lethargy, you'll probably wanna sleep the entire time. Might want to start the beta blocker a couple of weeks prior to cycling to avoid this

14. Originally Posted by jquanda
A downside to beta blockers is that you may feel lethargic at first due to a decreased heart rate. so if you're taking a methylated compound that causes lethargy, you'll probably wanna sleep the entire time. Might want to start the beta blocker a couple of weeks prior to cycling to avoid this
how do you think I feel? taking a beta blocker and SD at the same time whether I like it or not I can handle the beta blocker by now....I'm used to it, but add in a methyl that causes lethargy and even I can't handle that.....4-6 weeks of torture.

15. My main problem was sleeping and 10mg of propranolol did the trick last night. It lowered my bp and pulse so I couldn't be happier.

16. If it works for you then do it, but check it out. I know most grocery stores with a pharmacy have those testers there for you to use for free. I use them since I was a little kid cause it's the only fun I could have at a grocery store lol. As for jquanda, wait for week 2, days like 10-14 and you'll start to see it kick into high gear for sure *at least for me*

Day 4 note: Lethargy......slept 14 hours LOL

17. Originally Posted by xigotmailx
If it works for you then do it, but check it out. I know most grocery stores with a pharmacy have those testers there for you to use for free. I use them since I was a little kid cause it's the only fun I could have at a grocery store lol. As for jquanda, wait for week 2, days like 10-14 and you'll start to see it kick into high gear for sure *at least for me*

Day 4 note: Lethargy......slept 14 hours LOL
My concern was because this isn't my first sd cycle. as for the lethargy, it's god awful. This time around I threw in AMS 4AD as a "test base" I actually have a thread open where i'm bridging sd to epi. I was taking 2 4ad tabs a day and today i upped it to 3, 2 am and 1 just now, and boy does it make a difference. i barely yawned today!

18. Originally Posted by jquanda
My concern was because this isn't my first sd cycle. as for the lethargy, it's god awful. This time around I threw in AMS 4AD as a "test base" I actually have a thread open where i'm bridging sd to epi. I was taking 2 4ad tabs a day and today i upped it to 3, 2 am and 1 just now, and boy does it make a difference. i barely yawned today!
Oh I get ya now, I don't notice until around week 2 but focus today on legs was INSANE! After the hard stuff, squats, sldls, leg press, hack squats, 10 minutes later I wanted to just hit it all again. Gotta back away being smart not to snap my **** up, lift another day lol. I was gonna grab 4AD for test base but went with Stano instead. Right now i'm at 600mg and will up to 800mg starting week 4 when I up SD to 30mg. 4 days in and no weight gain yet

19. Originally Posted by xigotmailx
Oh I get ya now, I don't notice until around week 2 but focus today on legs was INSANE! After the hard stuff, squats, sldls, leg press, hack squats, 10 minutes later I wanted to just hit it all again. Gotta back away being smart not to snap my **** up, lift another day lol. I was gonna grab 4AD for test base but went with Stano instead. Right now i'm at 600mg and will up to 800mg starting week 4 when I up SD to 30mg. 4 days in and no weight gain yet
SD doesn't make me feel like a beast or give me that extra focus. I feel tired as hell the entire time but somehow i manage to crank out some serious weight. I noticed a slight increase yesterday. Not sure if it was the increased dose of the 4ad or it finally starting to kick in. no weight gain as of yet, but i'm not expecting much seeing as i'm on a recomp diet. I plan on taking 30mg on workout days for week 2 and 20 on nonworkout days. week 3 will be all 20mg while i start the epi. i might try out 4 tabs of 4ad for a couple days to see if i can completely get rid of the lethargy

20. Originally Posted by jquanda
SD doesn't make me feel like a beast or give me that extra focus. I feel tired as hell the entire time but somehow i manage to crank out some serious weight. I noticed a slight increase yesterday. Not sure if it was the increased dose of the 4ad or it finally starting to kick in. no weight gain as of yet, but i'm not expecting much seeing as i'm on a recomp diet. I plan on taking 30mg on workout days for week 2 and 20 on nonworkout days. week 3 will be all 20mg while i start the epi. i might try out 4 tabs of 4ad for a couple days to see if i can completely get rid of the lethargy

Dam, on recomp I usually gain 10 pounds. This morning I was up 2 pounds and diet is still clean, but I upped 1k calories to gain some weight. Over the past 5 months I've gotten quite lean and feel small haha, F summer cuts for summer sluts, I got a chick and I'm bulking up HAHA. Honestly I don't expect to gain any BF from this cycle so cuts will stay probably. Today I noticed the lethargy hard, this morning slept an extra 4 hours and after working out I was yawning all kinds.

I find it awesome that so many people are running SD at the same time and we mostly are all are around the same point in the cycle. Keep it up gains, train hard, eat big and kill some *****!

21. Originally Posted by xigotmailx
Dam, on recomp I usually gain 10 pounds. This morning I was up 2 pounds and diet is still clean, but I upped 1k calories to gain some weight. Over the past 5 months I've gotten quite lean and feel small haha, F summer cuts for summer sluts, I got a chick and I'm bulking up HAHA. Honestly I don't expect to gain any BF from this cycle so cuts will stay probably. Today I noticed the lethargy hard, this morning slept an extra 4 hours and after working out I was yawning all kinds.

I find it awesome that so many people are running SD at the same time and we mostly are all are around the same point in the cycle. Keep it up gains, train hard, eat big and kill some *****!
Yeah man I agree. Please anyone who's in with us keep updating your experiences seeing as we are all in the same portion of the cycle. keep it up! oh also have you noticed any back pumps? last time i didn't get them when i ran for 4 weeks. only time i got them was during hdrol cycle a couple years back. bout to go hit legs today with the 5/3/1 style with boring but big. hopefully my back doesn't tighten up.

22. I get lower back pumps normally after squats, sldls or deads that almost inhibit any further lifting. My way to combat this has been to get on the bike and just ride that until they go away. The major pump I get is in my calves, making my shins feel like they are going to split. Normally after cardio or if I do calf exercises quickly

23. Originally Posted by xigotmailx
I get lower back pumps normally after squats, sldls or deads that almost inhibit any further lifting. My way to combat this has been to get on the bike and just ride that until they go away. The major pump I get is in my calves, making my shins feel like they are going to split. Normally after cardio or if I do calf exercises quickly
even at 10mgs?

24. Originally Posted by hvactech
even at 10mgs?
I got the calf pumps at 10mg first cycle of SD but haven't ran 10mgs for longer than the first week since my first time.

EDIT:
Running 20mg sd/600mg stano 15 days and 30mg sd/800mg stano for 20 days this go around, with an additional 14 days of stano after the SD.

Day 7 update: +2 pounds, still looking lean, no real effects besides increased focus. Balls seem to be hugging my body quite a bit. Acne is going away *my favorite side effect LOL*, libido is there, agitation/aggression yesterday *day 6*, and legs still sore as fuark from day 4. Going to either drop the person I'm training or workout before they show up instead of with them

25. Originally Posted by jquanda
Yeah man I agree. Please anyone who's in with us keep updating your experiences seeing as we are all in the same portion of the cycle. keep it up!
Day 8, still up 4 pounds, did back today. No lower back pumps during rack deads, Can't remember warmup numbers 3x5x425 to save the lower back for squats. Very focused workout, had like 400mg caffeine. WIll be feeling it tomorrow, recovery is faster, diet not in check LOL but getting calories in above 3k still. Everything feels great

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