Starting a PH cycle this summer, need some advice!
04-09-2013 12:56 AM
Starting a PH cycle this summer, need some advice!
Hey guys, I haven't been on here in a long time due to studying for the DATs and am starting a PH cycle once I get home from school. I have done a lot of research on this subject but would be more than appreciative to here some advice from all of you. I bought a bottle of H-drol a while back because I was going to do a mild cycle (1 bottle) but now want to go another route. I was thinking about going with Havoc because I am looking for gains that are more on the dry side and not to harsh on your body. I am 21 years old, have been lifting religiously for 4 years (5 days a week), I am 5'6" and weigh 150lbs. Yes I know from lifting for 4 years that I am not heavy but I did start out weighing 129lbs. I was a very avid runner and have found it extremely difficult to gain weight and muscle mass no matter how much I eat. I decided that I am going to give a PH a try. My cycle is as follows but my main concern is with the PCT.
Week 1: Milk thistle, hawthorn berry, cycle assist, fish oil, multivitamin
Week 2: Milk thistle, hawthorn berry, cycle assist, fish oil, multivitamin
Week 3: RPN Havoc 20mg cycle assist, fish oil, multivitamin
Week 4: RPN Havoc 30mg cycle assist, fish oil, multivitamin
Week 5: RPN Havoc 40mg cycle assist, fish oil, multivitamin
Week 6: RPN Havoc 40mg cycle assist, fish oil, multivitamin
Week 7: RPN Havoc 40mg cycle assist, fish oil, multivitamin
Also taking whey protein and ON creatine throughout the cycle
My main question is about PCT. I will be taking PCT assist but I have read so many different variations with PCT and I cannot figure out what would be the best for my cycle so I was hoping that you guys could help. I have heard numerous things about liquid clomi (clomid) and Liquid Tamox (nolva) but do not know which serm is best. I have heard that sometimes nolva can hurt your gains in the end but wasnt sure if this is true. I am also curious what is the best test booster to take during PCT, bioforge etc.
If you guys could give me any input on a proper PCT (serm, testbooster) for my cycle that would be great! Also any comments on my cycle in general would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
04-09-2013 07:52 AM
Pick nolva or clomid doesn't matter really for Epi. Also, for a test booster get just bulk DAA
04-09-2013 12:42 PM
Ok great, thanks for the info! The rest of the cycle looks pretty solid in your opinion though?
04-09-2013 02:24 PM
My goal is to try to gain at least 8-12 lbs from this cycle. Sorry I forgot to mention that in the original post. Is this to mild of a PH to obtain these gains? Should I go for something a little more potent?
04-09-2013 04:58 PM
Get some 4-hea or a topical,to serve as a test base.
04-10-2013 06:52 PM
Alright guys so I think I have my pct all figured out now and was wondering what you all think.
Liquid Tamox (Nolva): 40/30/20/10
PES erase: 0/0/3/2/2/1
Testforce 2: normal bottle dosing
Along with the continuation of cycle assist, multi, fish oil, ON creatine, whey protein
Hope it looks good!
04-12-2013 01:23 PM
I just did very similar layout with my Havoc cycle
I would recommend some joint support like Cissuss or glucosamine at the very least. My knees and hands tend to be problem areas for me. I also enjoy 100mg DHEA ED but you are young and this may not do anything - hell, it may not do anything for me either. Be warned, you can get headaches from adding 100+ mg DHEA and the headaches are awful. Also I ditched my multi since I was eating like it was my last meal every meal but no big deal
Below is my PCT - which I admit is not the typical, basic layout but it does follow a lot of the standard ideas. I've read opposing ideas on when to start Erase and Test Boost so to keep it easy for me and to lock down a clean, organized 8 week layout I just went with the belief that starting it day after is best.
PCT starts today and looks something like this
weeks 1 and 2: nolvadex 40mg, erase pro 1 cap, MyoTest 3 caps, DAA 3g, Cycle assist
weeks 3and 4: nolvadex 20mg, erase pro 1 cap, myoTest 3 caps, DAA 3g, PCT assist
weeks 5, 6, 7 and 8: form-x 6 caps, reduce xt 3 caps, Ergobolic 4 caps, DAA, PCT assist
Have some small signs of gyno in left nipple so I am hoping Nolva helps. I know for Havoc this is prob an overkill PCT.
in addition I will be taking the following:
Omega 3 6 9
horny goat weed
and starting week 9 I will be using Animal Pak
04-24-2013 10:52 AM
That looks great, thanks for the response! The main thing I am worried about is gyno, i've read numerous things about preventing gyno on cycle as well as PCT but I have gotten so many different answers that I am not sure what the right one is. Would it be beneficial to use PES erase on cycle as well as through PCT along with Nolva in PCT? I know to tapper down at the end to prevent rebound. I may consider grabbing some letro just in case i feel gyno start on cycle so I can start that immediately and then tapper off with nolva and PES to prevent rebound.
04-24-2013 10:54 AM
Also, let me know how the end of your PCT goes, I am very interested!
05-08-2013 11:06 AM
Hey guys, just wondering if I could get some feedback on CEM products. I know they are sponsors here and I have read a good amount of articles on them. I was wondering if any of you have used their Liquid Tamox? I just purchased it and was wondering how it worked for you guys!
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