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    difference between DHEA and conversion to DHEA


    My question is, instead of buying 45$+ for a prohormone to stack with that converts into DHEA, whats the difference if i just bought pure DHEA for much cheaper and larger amounts?
    If they are both DHEA one way or another, why by the expensive "prohormone" one?

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    What prohormones have you seen convert into dhea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPS View Post
    What prohormones have you seen convert into dhea?
    I was looking into something like 1-AD or M1D Andro to stack with another PH.

    Based on my research it converts into DHEA....But if thats the case I cant buy DHEA for 10$ at my local store.
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    Negatory they convert to things like 1 test,and test. It is a 2 step conversion therefore requiring high doses to achieve favorable results.
    Ex)4ad to test, 1 Andro to 1 test
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer View Post
    My question is, instead of buying 45$+ for a prohormone to stack with that converts into DHEA, whats the difference if i just bought pure DHEA for much cheaper and larger amounts?
    If they are both DHEA one way or another, why by the expensive "prohormone" one?
    What the hell?
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    youre all sorts of confused op.

    the difference is that the exensive dhea supplements are metabolites of dhea, usually 4-dhea, 1-dhea, nordhea, or epiandrosterone. those all convert to other **** like test, 1test, dht all the works
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    Quote Originally Posted by lamonster14 View Post
    Negatory they convert to things like 1 test,and test. It is a 2 step conversion therefore requiring high doses to achieve favorable results.
    Ex)4ad to test, 1 Andro to 1 test
    Okay, so when stacking 1-ad or 4-ad, wouldn't I need to run about 600mg a day to get any benefits from it? I was thinking about adding in finaflex 1-ad to my stack at two pills a day for a month along with me 1-andro 6 week cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    youre all sorts of confused op.

    the difference is that the exensive dhea supplements are metabolites of dhea, usually 4-dhea, 1-dhea, nordhea, or epiandrosterone. those all convert to other **** like test, 1test, dht all the works
    So like 1-ad, 4-ad all have two step conversions to 1-test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer View Post

    So like 1-ad, 4-ad all have two step conversions to 1-test?
    No.

    1-ad is two step to 1-test
    4-ad us two step to test
    19nor-dhea is two step to 19nor-test
    5-dhea (stano) is converted to dht
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    Quote Originally Posted by amiller745 View Post
    No.

    1-ad is two step to 1-test
    4-ad us two step to test
    19nor-dhea is two step to 19nor-test
    5-dhea (stano) is converted to dht
    Haven't done much reseach on the others besides 1-4AD. So don't really know what to say.

    "4-ad us" what does that mean? or did you mean to say "is"?

    But based on those compounds givin, they convert into different test?
    So, finaflexes 1-ad used this compound 3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one, Bergamottin(6,7,-dihydroxybergamottin)(DHB) which is 1-ad?

    And 1-ad i've read is most effect for lean muscle gains and doesn't convert into estrogen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer View Post

    Haven't done much reseach on the others besides 1-4AD. So don't really know what to say.

    "4-ad us" what does that mean? or did you mean to say "is"?

    But based on those compounds givin, they convert into different test?
    So, finaflexes 1-ad used this compound 3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one, Bergamottin(6,7,-dihydroxybergamottin)(DHB) which is 1-ad?

    And 1-ad i've read is most effect for lean muscle gains and doesn't convert into estrogen?
    I meant 4-ad is. Yeah that is 1-ad in finaflex 1-ad.
    I wouldn't run 1-ad alone because it causes lethargy. I like iron mag labs 4-andro and 1-andro run at 4 caps a day each for 8 weeks. That's expensive though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amiller745 View Post
    I meant 4-ad is. Yeah that is 1-ad in finaflex 1-ad.
    I wouldn't run 1-ad alone because it causes lethargy. I like iron mag labs 4-andro and 1-andro run at 4 caps a day each for 8 weeks. That's expensive though.
    I will be running a 6 week cycle of LG science 1-andro.
    Do you recommend adding in a 1-ad product at two pills a day for 4 weeks during my cycle? 1 week after my 1-andro and it will end roughly a week before my 1-andro.

    Also, why is iron mag better in your opinion then finaflex, AMS, or LG?...just wondering thats all.

    Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer View Post

    I will be running a 6 week cycle of LG science 1-andro.
    Do you recommend adding in a 1-ad product at two pills a day for 4 weeks during my cycle? 1 week after my 1-andro and it will end roughly a week before my 1-andro.

    Also, why is iron mag better in your opinion then finaflex, AMS, or LG?...just wondering thats all.

    Thanks in advance.
    I would highly recommend you not run 1-andro alone. You need something to keep the lethargy away. I have always liked iron mags products. I'm not a fan of LG really. AMS is okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amiller745 View Post
    I would highly recommend you not run 1-andro alone. You need something to keep the lethargy away. I have always liked iron mags products. I'm not a fan of LG really. AMS is okay.
    I plan on running 1-andro by lg for 6 weeks
    and adding in a 1-ad product for 4 weeks at two pills a day... possibly finaflex

    someone said to run DAA throughout my whole stack fight off lethargy.
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    I think a little more research on hormonal products should be carried out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer View Post

    I plan on running 1-andro by lg for 6 weeks
    and adding in a 1-ad product for 4 weeks at two pills a day... possibly finaflex

    someone said to run DAA throughout my whole stack fight off lethargy.
    I don't think you know that 1-andro and -ad are the same lol. DAA won't do anything on cycle. You really do need to do more research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amiller745 View Post
    I don't think you know that 1-andro and -ad are the same lol. DAA won't do anything on cycle. You really do need to do more research.
    What do you recommend also taking with it then? 4-ad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer View Post
    What do you recommend also taking with it then? 4-ad?
    Yes 4-ad the whole time alongside the 1-andro
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    Quote Originally Posted by amiller745 View Post
    Yes 4-ad the whole time alongside the 1-andro
    Wouldn't that add in some non-lean mass? and more estrogen conversion?...just based on my research on 4-ad.

    And of course IYO Ironmags>AMS>LG? for 4-ad...but LG doesn't have 4-ad to nevermind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer View Post

    Wouldn't that add in some non-lean mass? and more estrogen conversion?...just based on my research on 4-ad.

    And of course IYO Ironmags>AMS>LG? for 4-ad...but LG doesn't have 4-ad to nevermind.
    If you're worried about estrogen conversion, then replace the 4-ad with stano or 5-alpha test
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    Just to clarify normally 1-ad and 4-ad are in reference to diol compounds not olone thats dhea.

    IE

    1-DHEA/1-Andro = 1-Androstenolone(androst, 1-en, 3b-ol, 17-one) > 1-Androstenediol/1-AD(androst, 1-en, 3b,17b-diol) > 1-Testosterone(androst, 1-en, 17b-ol, 3-one)


    4-DHEA/4-Andro = 4-Androstenolone(androst, 4-en, 3b-ol, 17-one) > 1-Androstenediol/4-AD(androst, 4-en, 3b,17b-diol) > Testosterone(androst, 4-en, 17b-ol, 3-one)
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    Quote Originally Posted by amiller745 View Post
    If you're worried about estrogen conversion, then replace the 4-ad with stano or 5-alpha test
    And you recommend running 4-ad throughout my whole 6 week cycle?

    would be okay to just add in 1 bottle of 4-ad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post
    Just to clarify normally 1-ad and 4-ad are in reference to diol compounds not olone thats dhea.

    IE

    1-DHEA/1-Andro = 1-Androstenolone(androst, 1-en, 3b-ol, 17-one) > 1-Androstenediol/1-AD(androst, 1-en, 3b,17b-diol) > 1-Testosterone(androst, 1-en, 17b-ol, 3-one)


    4-DHEA/4-Andro = 4-Androstenolone(androst, 4-en, 3b-ol, 17-one) > 1-Androstenediol/4-AD(androst, 4-en, 3b,17b-diol) > Testosterone(androst, 4-en, 17b-ol, 3-one)
    and my LG 1-andro converts into 1-test.
    and my 4-ad would convert into pure test which helps with mass and size along with my 1-test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer View Post

    and my LG 1-andro converts into 1-test.
    and my 4-ad would convert into pure test which helps with mass and size along with my 1-test?
    Yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer View Post
    and my LG 1-andro converts into 1-test.
    and my 4-ad would convert into pure test which helps with mass and size along with my 1-test?
    1 test is more potent for gains then test, test will aid but mostly it will interact with androgen receptors that 1 test doesn't to help keep testosterone deficiency side effects at bay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post
    1 test is more potent for gains then test, test will aid but mostly it will interact with androgen receptors that 1 test doesn't to help keep testosterone deficiency side effects at bay.
    So all in all, 1-andro with 4-ad or alpha mass...or stano-200?

    1-andro for leaning, and mass increase?
    and the 4-ad or others to help offset lethargy, and the side effects of 1-test? and of course increase mass.

    also is it okay to just run 1 bottle of AMS 4-ad (or iron mag, or any others if you know of) with my two bottles of 1-andro?
    i should i just bite the bullet and by two bottles?
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    Do this. Take finaflex 1 alpha, and stack it with a 4dhea of your choice.. my preference is ironmaglabs 4andro rx. I would go as far to say 200mg of the 4dhea bare minimum to combat sides.

    As far as your estrogen conversion, the extra water doesn't hurt as bad as limp d@#% and lethargy. Just my .02.

    If your that concerned with the estrogen take an A.I. on cycle such as erase/erase pro, atd, 6bromo or 6oxo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer View Post
    So all in all, 1-andro with 4-ad or alpha mass...or stano-200?

    1-andro for leaning, and mass increase?
    and the 4-ad or others to help offset lethargy, and the side effects of 1-test? and of course increase mass.

    also is it okay to just run 1 bottle of AMS 4-ad (or iron mag, or any others if you know of) with my two bottles of 1-andro?
    i should i just bite the bullet and by two bottles?
    Forerunner labs

    5 Alpha - Prohormone to DHT
    Alphamass - Prohormone to enanthate estered 1-Test
    Alphabulk - Prohormone to enanthate estered Test

    AMS

    1-androsterone - Prohormone to 1-Test
    Epi-1-Test - Dual prohormone, one to 1-Test, other to DHT
    Decavol/SARM - Prohormone to Nandrolone(19Nortestosterone)
    Massdrops - Dual prohormone to 1-Test and Nandrolone
    4-AD - Prohormone to Test

    Finaflex

    550-XD - Prohormone to Nandrolone
    1-Andro - Prohormone to 1-Test
    1-alpha - Prohormone to enanthate estered 1-Test

    Was gonna do LG but just stay away their line is overpriced crap

    AndroFactory

    Most of their line are some progestins I don't know the nomenclature for.

    Bulk Up - Prohormone to Enanthate estered DHT(a-DHEA), Prohormone to Undecanoate estered DHT(b-DHEA), Prohormone Enanthate estered Testosterone(4-DHEA)
    Max Bulk - Prohormone to Enanthate estered Testosterone(4-DHEA), Prohormone to Enanthate estered Nandrolone(19Nor-4DHEA)

    1-Test is a mass building compound
    Test is also mass building but to a lesser degree and also helps with side effects of other hormones
    DHT is similar to Test but also can can effect your hairline
    Nandrolone is a mass builder but also will have progestin side's
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    Did anyone see the OP is 5'11 and 155 pounds...

    OP you've got a whole lot more to figure out before you even consider researching hormonals let alone think about using them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYiron View Post
    Did anyone see the OP is 5'11 and 155 pounds...

    OP you've got a whole lot more to figure out before you even consider researching hormonals let alone think about using them.
    Yeah, at the very end of my cut man.
    been lifting 3 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer

    Yeah, at the very end of my cut man.
    been lifting 3 years.
    155 at 511 at the end of a cut or not you've got a lot to figure out before even thinking about anything hormonal
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    5"11 at 155 is a waif man. You would be better off with steakadrol or potatodrol.
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    How much you spending on supplements a month bud ??

    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer View Post
    I was looking into something like 1-AD or M1D Andro to stack with another PH.

    Based on my research it converts into DHEA....But if thats the case I cant buy DHEA for 10$ at my local store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Anthony View Post
    How much you spending on supplements a month bud ??
    Good question, I don't keep track....
    I keep protein powder at all times
    fish oil all times
    and BCAA product.

    So maybe around 100$?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxcaracer View Post
    Good question, I don't keep track....
    I keep protein powder at all times
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    and BCAA product.

    So maybe around 100$?
    oh $100...but what is BCAA product ??
  

  
 

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