difference between DHEA and conversion to DHEA

[boxcaracer]

My question is, instead of buying 45$+ for a prohormone to stack with that converts into DHEA, whats the difference if i just bought pure DHEA for much cheaper and larger amounts?
If they are both DHEA one way or another, why by the expensive "prohormone" one?

 

[SPS]

You are so right

 

[SPS]

What prohormones have you seen convert into dhea?

 

[boxcaracer]

You are so right

Sarcasm? or for reals.

 

[boxcaracer]

What prohormones have you seen convert into dhea?

I was looking into something like 1-AD or M1D Andro to stack with another PH.

Based on my research it converts into DHEA....But if thats the case I cant buy DHEA for 10$ at my local store.

 

[lamonster14]

Negatory they convert to things like 1 test,and test. It is a 2 step conversion therefore requiring high doses to achieve favorable results.
Ex)4ad to test, 1 Andro to 1 test

 

[amiller745]

My question is, instead of buying 45$+ for a prohormone to stack with that converts into DHEA, whats the difference if i just bought pure DHEA for much cheaper and larger amounts?
If they are both DHEA one way or another, why by the expensive "prohormone" one?

What the hell?

 

[OnionKnight]

youre all sorts of confused op.

the difference is that the exensive dhea supplements are metabolites of dhea, usually 4-dhea, 1-dhea, nordhea, or epiandrosterone. those all convert to other **** like test, 1test, dht all the works

 

[boxcaracer]

Negatory they convert to things like 1 test,and test. It is a 2 step conversion therefore requiring high doses to achieve favorable results.
Ex)4ad to test, 1 Andro to 1 test

Okay, so when stacking 1-ad or 4-ad, wouldn't I need to run about 600mg a day to get any benefits from it? I was thinking about adding in finaflex 1-ad to my stack at two pills a day for a month along with me 1-andro 6 week cycle.

 

[boxcaracer]

youre all sorts of confused op.

the difference is that the exensive dhea supplements are metabolites of dhea, usually 4-dhea, 1-dhea, nordhea, or epiandrosterone. those all convert to other **** like test, 1test, dht all the works

So like 1-ad, 4-ad all have two step conversions to 1-test?

 

[amiller745]

So like 1-ad, 4-ad all have two step conversions to 1-test?

No.

1-ad is two step to 1-test
4-ad us two step to test
19nor-dhea is two step to 19nor-test
5-dhea (stano) is converted to dht

 

[boxcaracer]

No.

1-ad is two step to 1-test
4-ad us two step to test
19nor-dhea is two step to 19nor-test
5-dhea (stano) is converted to dht

Haven't done much reseach on the others besides 1-4AD. So don't really know what to say.

"4-ad us" what does that mean? or did you mean to say "is"?

But based on those compounds givin, they convert into different test?
So, finaflexes 1-ad used this compound 3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one, Bergamottin(6,7,-dihydroxybergamottin)(DHB) which is 1-ad?

And 1-ad i've read is most effect for lean muscle gains and doesn't convert into estrogen?

 

[amiller745]

Haven't done much reseach on the others besides 1-4AD. So don't really know what to say.

"4-ad us" what does that mean? or did you mean to say "is"?

But based on those compounds givin, they convert into different test?
So, finaflexes 1-ad used this compound 3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one, Bergamottin(6,7,-dihydroxybergamottin)(DHB) which is 1-ad?

And 1-ad i've read is most effect for lean muscle gains and doesn't convert into estrogen?

I meant 4-ad is. Yeah that is 1-ad in finaflex 1-ad.
I wouldn't run 1-ad alone because it causes lethargy. I like iron mag labs 4-andro and 1-andro run at 4 caps a day each for 8 weeks. That's expensive though.

 

[boxcaracer]

I meant 4-ad is. Yeah that is 1-ad in finaflex 1-ad.
I wouldn't run 1-ad alone because it causes lethargy. I like iron mag labs 4-andro and 1-andro run at 4 caps a day each for 8 weeks. That's expensive though.

I will be running a 6 week cycle of LG science 1-andro.
Do you recommend adding in a 1-ad product at two pills a day for 4 weeks during my cycle? 1 week after my 1-andro and it will end roughly a week before my 1-andro.

Also, why is iron mag better in your opinion then finaflex, AMS, or LG?...just wondering thats all.

Thanks in advance.

 

[amiller745]

I will be running a 6 week cycle of LG science 1-andro.
Do you recommend adding in a 1-ad product at two pills a day for 4 weeks during my cycle? 1 week after my 1-andro and it will end roughly a week before my 1-andro.

Also, why is iron mag better in your opinion then finaflex, AMS, or LG?...just wondering thats all.

Thanks in advance.

I would highly recommend you not run 1-andro alone. You need something to keep the lethargy away. I have always liked iron mags products. I'm not a fan of LG really. AMS is okay.

 

[boxcaracer]

I would highly recommend you not run 1-andro alone. You need something to keep the lethargy away. I have always liked iron mags products. I'm not a fan of LG really. AMS is okay.

I plan on running 1-andro by lg for 6 weeks
and adding in a 1-ad product for 4 weeks at two pills a day... possibly finaflex

someone said to run DAA throughout my whole stack fight off lethargy.

 

[Cordeen]

I think a little more research on hormonal products should be carried out.

 

[amiller745]

I plan on running 1-andro by lg for 6 weeks
and adding in a 1-ad product for 4 weeks at two pills a day... possibly finaflex

someone said to run DAA throughout my whole stack fight off lethargy.

I don't think you know that 1-andro and -ad are the same lol. DAA won't do anything on cycle. You really do need to do more research.

 

[majjad]

This is not notice him a lot

 

[boxcaracer]

I don't think you know that 1-andro and -ad are the same lol. DAA won't do anything on cycle. You really do need to do more research.

What do you recommend also taking with it then? 4-ad?

 

[amiller745]

What do you recommend also taking with it then? 4-ad?

Yes 4-ad the whole time alongside the 1-andro

 

[boxcaracer]

Yes 4-ad the whole time alongside the 1-andro

Wouldn't that add in some non-lean mass? and more estrogen conversion?...just based on my research on 4-ad.

And of course IYO Ironmags>AMS>LG? for 4-ad...but LG doesn't have 4-ad to nevermind.

 

[amiller745]

Wouldn't that add in some non-lean mass? and more estrogen conversion?...just based on my research on 4-ad.

And of course IYO Ironmags>AMS>LG? for 4-ad...but LG doesn't have 4-ad to nevermind.

If you're worried about estrogen conversion, then replace the 4-ad with stano or 5-alpha test

 

[00S4Boy]

Just to clarify normally 1-ad and 4-ad are in reference to diol compounds not olone thats dhea.

IE

1-DHEA/1-Andro = 1-Androstenolone(androst, 1-en, 3b-ol, 17-one) > 1-Androstenediol/1-AD(androst, 1-en, 3b,17b-diol) > 1-Testosterone(androst, 1-en, 17b-ol, 3-one)


4-DHEA/4-Andro = 4-Androstenolone(androst, 4-en, 3b-ol, 17-one) > 1-Androstenediol/4-AD(androst, 4-en, 3b,17b-diol) > Testosterone(androst, 4-en, 17b-ol, 3-one)

 

[boxcaracer]

If you're worried about estrogen conversion, then replace the 4-ad with stano or 5-alpha test

And you recommend running 4-ad throughout my whole 6 week cycle?

would be okay to just add in 1 bottle of 4-ad?

 

[boxcaracer]

Just to clarify normally 1-ad and 4-ad are in reference to diol compounds not olone thats dhea.

IE

1-DHEA/1-Andro = 1-Androstenolone(androst, 1-en, 3b-ol, 17-one) > 1-Androstenediol/1-AD(androst, 1-en, 3b,17b-diol) > 1-Testosterone(androst, 1-en, 17b-ol, 3-one)


4-DHEA/4-Andro = 4-Androstenolone(androst, 4-en, 3b-ol, 17-one) > 1-Androstenediol/4-AD(androst, 4-en, 3b,17b-diol) > Testosterone(androst, 4-en, 17b-ol, 3-one)

and my LG 1-andro converts into 1-test.
and my 4-ad would convert into pure test which helps with mass and size along with my 1-test?

 

[amiller745]

and my LG 1-andro converts into 1-test.
and my 4-ad would convert into pure test which helps with mass and size along with my 1-test?

Yes

 

[00S4Boy]

and my LG 1-andro converts into 1-test.
and my 4-ad would convert into pure test which helps with mass and size along with my 1-test?

1 test is more potent for gains then test, test will aid but mostly it will interact with androgen receptors that 1 test doesn't to help keep testosterone deficiency side effects at bay.

 

[boxcaracer]

1 test is more potent for gains then test, test will aid but mostly it will interact with androgen receptors that 1 test doesn't to help keep testosterone deficiency side effects at bay.

So all in all, 1-andro with 4-ad or alpha mass...or stano-200?

1-andro for leaning, and mass increase?
and the 4-ad or others to help offset lethargy, and the side effects of 1-test? and of course increase mass.

also is it okay to just run 1 bottle of AMS 4-ad (or iron mag, or any others if you know of) with my two bottles of 1-andro?
i should i just bite the bullet and by two bottles?

 

[lamonster14]

Do this. Take finaflex 1 alpha, and stack it with a 4dhea of your choice.. my preference is ironmaglabs 4andro rx. I would go as far to say 200mg of the 4dhea bare minimum to combat sides.

As far as your estrogen conversion, the extra water doesn't hurt as bad as limp d@#% and lethargy. Just my .02.

If your that concerned with the estrogen take an A.I. on cycle such as erase/erase pro, atd, 6bromo or 6oxo.

 

[00S4Boy]

So all in all, 1-andro with 4-ad or alpha mass...or stano-200?

1-andro for leaning, and mass increase?
and the 4-ad or others to help offset lethargy, and the side effects of 1-test? and of course increase mass.

also is it okay to just run 1 bottle of AMS 4-ad (or iron mag, or any others if you know of) with my two bottles of 1-andro?
i should i just bite the bullet and by two bottles?

Forerunner labs

5 Alpha - Prohormone to DHT
Alphamass - Prohormone to enanthate estered 1-Test
Alphabulk - Prohormone to enanthate estered Test

AMS

1-androsterone - Prohormone to 1-Test
Epi-1-Test - Dual prohormone, one to 1-Test, other to DHT
Decavol/SARM - Prohormone to Nandrolone(19Nortestosterone)
Massdrops - Dual prohormone to 1-Test and Nandrolone
4-AD - Prohormone to Test

Finaflex

550-XD - Prohormone to Nandrolone
1-Andro - Prohormone to 1-Test
1-alpha - Prohormone to enanthate estered 1-Test

Was gonna do LG but just stay away their line is overpriced crap

AndroFactory

Most of their line are some progestins I don't know the nomenclature for.

Bulk Up - Prohormone to Enanthate estered DHT(a-DHEA), Prohormone to Undecanoate estered DHT(b-DHEA), Prohormone Enanthate estered Testosterone(4-DHEA)
Max Bulk - Prohormone to Enanthate estered Testosterone(4-DHEA), Prohormone to Enanthate estered Nandrolone(19Nor-4DHEA)

1-Test is a mass building compound
Test is also mass building but to a lesser degree and also helps with side effects of other hormones
DHT is similar to Test but also can can effect your hairline
Nandrolone is a mass builder but also will have progestin side's

 

[NYiron]

Did anyone see the OP is 5'11 and 155 pounds...

OP you've got a whole lot more to figure out before you even consider researching hormonals let alone think about using them.

 

[boxcaracer]

Did anyone see the OP is 5'11 and 155 pounds...

OP you've got a whole lot more to figure out before you even consider researching hormonals let alone think about using them.

Yeah, at the very end of my cut man.
been lifting 3 years.

 

[NYiron]

Yeah, at the very end of my cut man.
been lifting 3 years.

155 at 511 at the end of a cut or not you've got a lot to figure out before even thinking about anything hormonal

 

[lamonster14]

5"11 at 155 is a waif man. You would be better off with steakadrol or potatodrol.

 

[Fred Anthony]

How much you spending on supplements a month bud ??:woohoo:

I was looking into something like 1-AD or M1D Andro to stack with another PH.

Based on my research it converts into DHEA....But if thats the case I cant buy DHEA for 10$ at my local store.

 

[boxcaracer]

How much you spending on supplements a month bud ??:woohoo:

Good question, I don't keep track....
I keep protein powder at all times
fish oil all times
and BCAA product.

So maybe around 100$?

 

[Fred Anthony]

Good question, I don't keep track....
I keep protein powder at all times
fish oil all times
and BCAA product.

So maybe around 100$?

oh $100...but what is BCAA product ??