Toremifene Cycle with bloodwork
- 03-23-2013, 01:06 PM
Toremifene Cycle with bloodwork
Not too long did a month long Haloplex cycle which was followed up with a torem PCT. You can check it out here (nevermind can't post a link) if you are interested. You can see that the torem brought my boys back within a week and my libido was through the roof. So after that observation I starting researching SERM only cycles. I am sure many are aware that some have actually done this already with great results if executed correctly. From what I have researched, one can boost their test levels significantly and even well beyond the normal healthy range. However, this is not my goal. My goal is simply to boost my test levels to the top of the normal range by taking the smallest dose possible. Torem doesn't have many side effects regardless but I am not expecting to gain 10 pounds in a month. I am just trying to get a slight edge over an extended period of time of several months if all goes well. So without further adue I will begin documenting my blood work here. Any input is greatly appreciated.
test 348 - 1197
Estradiol 7.6 - 42.6
LH 1.7 - 8.6
FSH 1.5 - 12.4
AST 0 - 40
ALT 0 - 44
Before (taken at noon)
1 week (taken early afternoon)
As you can see the the response is rapid. LH, FSH, and Test are all elevated from baseline.
- 03-23-2013, 03:55 PM
Maybe I missed it, what dose did you take/what was the dosing protocol?
- 03-23-2013, 06:31 PM
03-23-2013, 10:32 PM
I'll be running torem for my PCT in 12 weeks.
How often do you plan on getting your labs done?
AM sucks ass. find me on ASF or IMF.
03-24-2013, 10:18 AM
03-24-2013, 12:57 PM
I thought I would just give a little update on how I am feeling on the torem after ten days.Just like the times I used torem before, I felt the effects on libido rapidly. I think it was day 3 where I starting noticing erections and sexual thoughts throughout the day. My libido was way up. At about the week mark I notice that my balls were huge but the libido effect started to diminish. It still boosts libido but not like those first few days. I wonder why that is exactly. I have noticed that my workouts have been more intense.
03-24-2013, 01:20 PM
Are you taking any other supps, that boosts test also?
03-24-2013, 01:38 PM
No. Every once in a while I take a squirt of Arimidex if I feel like drying out or if I feel like I need it. Maybe like .5 mg to 1 mg a week.
03-25-2013, 03:18 PM
I'm about to start a torem centered PCT...I wonder if it would be beneficial to extend PCT from 4 weeks to 5-6 weeks? Any thoughts?
03-25-2013, 08:27 PM
03-25-2013, 08:34 PM
I thought I would document an observation. For my Test being higher than it has ever been (documented at least), my libido is boosted but isn't necessarily through the roof. I feel fine but I don't necessarily feel as good as I thought I would with those elevated Test numbers. Maybe I was being slightly too optimistic because those first few days on Torem my libido was through the roof.
I'll stay consistent and see where this all goes.
03-25-2013, 08:57 PM
Subbed, I've been interested in a clomid only cycle. Interested to see how torem treats you.
03-25-2013, 09:44 PM
I have been taking Torem for two weeks now(120/90/now 60). I feel great.
03-25-2013, 09:45 PM
03-26-2013, 10:26 AM
03-26-2013, 02:03 PM
03-26-2013, 02:12 PM
Pre torem my T/E reation was 1:20. After just a week of torem and very low dose arimidex my ratio is now 1:40. These numbers have been fudged to accomodate for the time of day the tests were taken and for easier rounding.
I can say I feel great today. Perhaps the torem is evening out and the levels are getting more stable. Libido is definitely full force today. I hope that stays like that because I like it. My mood is elevated and I believe I feel just a tad more confident.
03-29-2013, 02:51 PM
I think I am noticing a bit of depression from this Torem. That kinda stinks considering that I want the Test to boost my mood. I have been emotional and just feeling really down for sure. Has anyone else noticed that on Torem?
03-30-2013, 01:41 PM
Okay. I think I am noticing a bit of depression and anxiety from this torem. I think I am going to reduce the dosage to 50 mgs EOD.
03-30-2013, 02:01 PM
03-30-2013, 10:38 PM
03-30-2013, 10:45 PM
This is the main reason why these drugs are not a solution for long term HRT even though they work as intended the sides just suck.
03-30-2013, 10:50 PM
Answer me aboboliks I messaged you bro
03-31-2013, 01:47 AM
03-31-2013, 02:02 AM
Messing with hormones always comes with risks. I hope you feel better man.
Sounds like your keeping a safe distance from depressants. It certainly wouldn't help to seek relief with drugs known to cause the symptoms you're describing.
Torem may not be the way to reach your goals. I wouldn't recommend continuing if you really feel like crap. Are you still able to kill it in the gym? That always makes me feel better regardless of what's getting me down. Endorphins are nature's prozac.
AM sucks ass. find me on ASF or IMF.
03-31-2013, 09:00 AM
Why not clomid, tried and true for this
03-31-2013, 11:27 PM
04-01-2013, 05:45 AM
04-01-2013, 12:50 PM
Nice I might do research grade
04-01-2013, 02:50 PM
04-03-2013, 06:59 PM
04-05-2013, 08:51 AM
I just don't feel like this 50 mgs EOD is cutting it. I am not noticing any real improvement as far as libido or anything. I order Clomid last night so as soon as that gets here I'll start that up. I will get bloodwork done on Tuesday before I start that.
04-05-2013, 01:28 PM
Subbed. I am very interested in the blood work.
04-06-2013, 09:00 AM
04-07-2013, 12:39 PM
Update. I have observed that I have been receiving a lot of comments on how in shape and muscular I am looking. I have to say I do feel slimmer in the midsection and my muscles feel full. I have been putting up good weight in the gym too.
Just got another comment lol. Apparently this shot is working. I do look lean and my weight is about the same.
04-09-2013, 02:08 PM
Bloodwork is back
Taken at 4 pm
Alright, considering the time that my labs were taken, my testosterone is probably about 25% higher which puts it around 722. Not bad but not great either considering my baseline is somewhere around 650 or so. LH and FSH are both up slightly. I am not really sure how to interpret these results honestly. Any input to bounce ideas around is more than welcome.
04-09-2013, 02:48 PM
04-09-2013, 03:06 PM
04-09-2013, 05:03 PM
I'm at the end of my PCT and decided to cruise at 30mg for another week during a small cut.
Thanks for the log
04-09-2013, 05:40 PM
A serm wouldn't increase your test levels that significantly (if that's what you were looking for). They send signals for your body to produce its own T. It can be very beneficial for someone with naturally low levels. Clomid took me from 190s to near 800s, but the doc was surprised see it that high. If you have natural T levels of mid 600s, I wouldn't think it would shoot you up to much higher than that.
Just my .02.
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