First Pinning Cycle Plan

[Aznmonk]

i know these cycle plans are made faster then anyone cares but just want to throw it out there if anyone is interested in giving a few points



Stats are

Height: 5ft 7in
Weight: 168lb
Age: 22

Tools Ready

3x10ml Test-Prop 100mg/ml
70x20mg nolvadex pills
45x20mg clomid


my plan was thinking

Test Prop EOD 8 Weeks today
Epistane week 2 - 8 with dosing being 30/30/30/40/40/40

my questions are what gauges do you prefer?

i was thinking trying to get inbetween 30-31 with 1ml but online i see good bulk prices for 25-28. also would you think i should just add in low dose of HCG ? cheers

 

[PumpHouse]

30 is going to be rough.

23 to inject, 21 to draw is what I use. You might be able to get away with 25.

Your pretty young to be cycling. And at 168 I'm sure you have a Lot of natty potential left.

First cycle and doing prop? Why? Do you know your injection sites yet?

First cycle, I'd drop the epi.

Get an AI on hand.

 

[Aznmonk]

i did a oral cycle roughly 4 years ago in iraq and then another one maybe 2 years ago? in Afghanistan. i enjoy working out regardless of compounds i just been wanting to pin since getting more knowledgeable about the subject. PROP because test E would take at least 3-4 weeks to kick in hard and i want a short stable cycle, ill be pinning in my quad and buttocks, i want the epi for the tail end. i don't see a issue with it

 

[Slappy244]

Try 23g needles, they really aren't that big. When I started my test e cycle I made the mistake of using 25 and it took a long time to push the plunger all the way down. I've never used a 30, and based on how long it took with a 25 I don't think I ever will. Anything smaller than 25 will be annoying.

I'd drop the epi completely and add 4 weeks to the test. Why not bridge to test e, or run test prop along with test e?

 

[Aznmonk]

their is no correlation between needle size and patience, i have patience and am asking for opinions, as far as a bridge goes that could be a idea. i just was aiming for 8-10 week cycle because of moving states in early august. as far as the idea for a bridge if i did 250mg every 3 days wouldn't my levels combined with the prop end up higher then 500mg<?

EDIT: also what about the HCG i don't see most suggestions leaning towards that for a basic first cycle however if it is a factor of cost vs reward i would prefer the optimal recovery

 

[DetroitHammer]

I've been using a 20ga to inject for quite a while now. I draw with an 18ga and inject with a 20ga. For me, I'd never go smaller unless it was a water based solution. Water .23ga/ oil 20ga.

 

[druller655321]

their is no correlation between needle size and patience, i have patience and am asking for opinions, as far as a bridge goes that could be a idea. i just was aiming for 8-10 week cycle because of moving states in early august. as far as the idea for a bridge if i did 250mg every 3 days wouldn't my levels combined with the prop end up higher then 500mg<?

EDIT: also what about the HCG i don't see most suggestions leaning towards that for a basic first cycle however if it is a factor of cost vs reward i would prefer the optimal recovery

No but there is a correlation between needle gauge, thickness of the oil, and being able to successfully draw up said oil through said needle. I do use 25 g to pin but I cannot draw thicker oils through a 25 g, so as recommended get a large gauge to draw and the absolute smallest IMO would be 25 g to pin. As you were told though it will take longer to pin with a 25 g, but not a big deal.

 

[Aznmonk]

ill get a pack of 10 for 23,25, and 20 and see what i feel once i do it. besides the needle. what you think as far as cycle, any additions ? or comments addition to removing epistane?

 

[DetroitHammer]

ill get a pack of 10 for 23,25, and 20 and see what i feel once i do it. besides the needle. what you think as far as cycle, any additions ? or comments addition to removing epistane?

Is the prop water or oil based?

 

[Aznmonk]

oiled based, i have access to a plethora of things that are pharmacy grade. father also returns from Asia every 3 months and can get me pharma over there as well

 

[Slappy244]

I'd run prop and a test e (or c), tapering down on the prop over 4 weeks. 8 weeks is too short, try for 12.

 

[Aznmonk]

how about 100/80/50/50 & 400 test e per week 1-12?

 

[DetroitHammer]

oiled based, i have access to a plethora of things that are pharmacy grade. father also returns from Asia every 3 months and can get me pharma over there as well

Then you would be fine with a 23ga needle. I would recommend a 20ga, but since you'll be pinning EOD you may find a 23ga more friendly.

I like the prop. I have always been a fan of short esters, and an entire cycle built on short esters is ideal if you don't mind the pinning.

 

[joeblow1]

Use either a 23 or 25 to inject and a 18 to draw. 20 gauge is like a ****ing butcher knife. 25 takes time but its painless and 23 is slightly faster and more painful but not bad. If your gonna use hcg then start at week 6 and run it till 9-10. I always suggest using hcg as it makes recovery easier and it's dirt cheap. Run the clomid in pct at 25-50 mg day max. I wouldn't use that nolva at all. Add in some test boosters and some ostarine.